Whats wrong with the world today........


First You guys liked Revolutions and now William Hung has a record deal.......


Whats next.....


Weird Al gets an OSCAR for UHF 2.

While it will never happen, I would love that! Don' diss UHF either bud!


I really admire the Wachowskis for ending the story the way they saw fit and not trying to go for some big crowd pleaser. Just because a movie is different than what you think it should be is no reason to hate it and make a rash judgment. The better thing to do is watch it again thinking "here is what it really is, I will judge it on that."

I am in the "Loved Matrix, Intrigued by Reloaded, Hated Revolutions Camp"

I'm sorry but I have to laugh when I hear people call "Revolutions" hard to understand.

It aint hard to understand..because the movie consists of about 1 new plot point!

Attacking Zion - Already seen it in Reloaded, the final battle is just worthless SFX. I hated that in the Star Wars Films, and thought that LOTR has used SFX in the best way instead of the overbearing use in SW and Matrix. Even then it gets kinda old after awhile.

Neo's Cliffhanger (left over from Reloaded) Lets see that is resolved in about 10 minutes in Revolutions. Great.

Another Neo/Smith Fight - Who cares? The result was the same of the Reloaded one - neither one of them can win if they keep fighting. Talk about pointless SFX. At least Superman 2 (which is the closest to "immortal to immortal fighting" threw in another equation - Supe's desire to protect innocent people and stop the fighting and flee

The ending - I just love the acting job Fishburne does at the end "Its over" - GREAT!!! Wowzers. I swear he took a great role in the Matrix, jumped the shark with his "Reloaded Inspiration Speech" was just collecting a paycheck in Revolutiions.

There is so much more, it would take about about 2 pages of stuff.

The most interesting characters from Reloaded - i.e. Merovigninan, Persephone, have about 2 minutes of screen time. Bleh.

There wasn't nearly enough footage of Neo standing around in a train station.

Oh, you comment, but it was called MOBIL train station!

MOBIL train station, between this world and The Matrix!

MO-BIL!

That's LIMBO rearranged!

HUH? HUH?

Yeah, you're right, that doesn't save the fact that he's just standing around in a train station...

Loved all three movies...probably Reloaded the most. I think the W Bros. set up Revolutions very well in Reloaded, which actually threw me for a loop. I think the way they pulled the rug out from under the viewers in Reloaded was a great way of "freeing our mind" for the third act. I believe one had to see Revolutions with no expactations...able to be told a story, not see the story they envisioned. Or I could be completely full of dudu...at any rate, best trilogy ever and by far my favorite movies of all time.

Speaking of this William Hung guy...I watched him on the worst of American Idol, where they brought all the most horrible and had them sing live again. Anyway, does anybody think he is in on the joke? I mean, he is truly just the butt of a big joke, and is in no way taken seriously. Not that I would care if I got a record deal from it. I'm just saying.

Jonathon

There was no Zion fight in Reloaded.

LOTR used as much if not more CG/SFX than Revolutions did. I noticed some pretty craptacular CG/SFX in ROTK too, such as Legolas sliding down the huge elephant thing - it was a blurry mess.

Well, buddy, let me just tell you that you're watching a movie. A movie is meant to be entertainment. What do you mean who cares? It's the final fight!!! There is no "who cares", you're just supposed to watch it and be entertained! Matrix 1 subway fight: Neo's birth. Reloaded Burly Brawl: Neo's life. Revo Superbrawl: Neo's death. 'Tis a cycle, you see. I thought it was beautiful and completely original how Neo won over Smith through his heart and self sacrifice rather than through brute force alone.

I totally agree. After watching M1 again I felt kinda disappointed in his character.

Hey! How can you not love Morpheus being turned into this guy:

Nice to know I'm not alone.

I did not like Revolutions because I thought that it did not cover any interesting ground with either character or story. The fights were overlong, the acting OK to horrible (such as Reeves and Moss in their big send off), and the metaphors depressingly trite and overused (savior imagery, blind prophet, etc).

But hey, whatever makes you happy.

I enjoyed all three movies but thought Revolutions was clearly the weakest.

I think had a thread on this a while ago, but Revolutions had two of the GREATEST vfx/action sequences ever put on film. I don't know if from a technical standpoint that they were doing anything that hadn't been done before, but in terms of the concept of the scenes and their overall execution, there has never been anything like them. The mecha battle, the first of its kind in live action and executed so brilliantly. It's a good, exciting scene and they don't skimp at all on the shots of the creatures or fx. The Smith/Neo fight set the gold standard for all "Superhero battles" to come.

I feel Revolutions would have had a much better reception had it simply produced either a more shocking ending, or a clearer one. Really, the film up until the last 5 minutes is fantastic. Much better paced than either part 1 or 2, and visually they seemed to have tweaked it so that the colours looked more vivid and eye-catching (which psychologically helps keep interest).

And have you ever heard Gaeta speak about his work? The guy's a pompous ass. I'm not surprised that a group of his peers refused to acknowledge him.

My man Niem G acted circles around Mr. Fishburne.

Why all the hate for Cowboy Curtis?

While I liked the movies, I will say that it is quite obvious most of the crew on the Matrix movies consisted of pompous asses, whereas those on LOTR seemed rather humble by comparison.

You hold an opinion different from a rather vocal and reactionary segment of the poulation.

Nothing wrong with you until the next scheduled Night of the Long Knives...

I know. But we see the things digging in Reloaded and thats all it is in Revolutions. Big Things Digging. Other Things with tentacles doing nothing or impaling people or knocking them over. We saw it in Reloaded. Heck we saw the Tentacle things in Matrix.

Like I said, I thought the SFX in LOTR got old after awhile too. I wasn't commentating on which one was best or the worst. I was tired of the SFX in the LOTR movies too by the big fight in Return of the King

Well I wasn't entertained by watching two "immortal" characters beat each other up. Been there done it in Reloaded and I could care less about two characters that cannot die punching each other. Its like playing a video game on ifinite ammo and max health..sure its fun for awhile, after a bit it gets boring.

And BTW: I don't think Neo won over Smith at the end. The Oracle gave him the hint through Smith, so Neo just said fine, I am the reason you exist, so I will end your reason as well.

That still doesn't explain why critics were mixed on Reloaded and absolutely slammed Revolutions hard. It also doesn't explain why a great percentage of the movie going public didn't like the films. The overwhelming majority never even knew about that.

My own personal opinions is that the first movie was a bonafide hit. A smart, exciting sci-fi film. But I believe the Wachowski's began to take themselves much too seriously. They started to outhink themselves, and the films became a convoluted mess filled with long, silly scenes of psycobabble that did more to confuse people than it did to enlighten them. It's good to be complex to a point. Also, a lot of the acting was bad, ala Jake Lloyd in TPM. Well, maybe not quite that bad, but close to it. Both Reeves and Fishburne were both considerably worse in Reloaded and Revolutions than they were in the original, for some odd reason. Not only that, but how many fight scenes can you watch, all of which are similar, before they get old and boring. Not only that, many of the fight scenes went on and on and on.

CG and visual effects in films are not perfect, and they aren't going to be perfect. Why? Because human beings create visual effects in films, and human beings are far from perfect. That's why I don't get all of the complaining about CG. Get over it. Visual effects weren't perfect 30 years ago, they aren't perfect today. However, they are a hell of a lot better today than they were 30 years ago. There are some fake looking shots in every FX-heavy film ever made. Who cares!

hey i liked it also. its at least better then that pos reloaded.

I loved it and will definately have the DVD in a few weeks.

doc

When I finally get Revolutions, I intend to watch the Matrix story as a marathon from that point. Of course that's what I say.

More likely I will watch the original one night and the other two back to back.

I'm going to watch it again on DVD but the ending was just terrible. It had nothing with key characters dying or the fight between Neo & Agent Smith. I give the Bros. credit for taking a risk & not having a happy Hollywood type ending. However, the ending was a cop out in both writing and what the overall message of the film was. It was like they had writer's block & came up with the idea man would be spared for now since Neo fulfilled his mission/journey, but it is inevitable the machines & humans will clash again with the machines having the power to destroy the human race whenever they see fit. There is no "The One" after Neo. There is no balance in the "Real World." Who the hell cares if the Matrix is destroyed or not because the "Real World" falls under the same circumstances pretty much. It just happens the machines don't need us in the "Real World" to survive as of yet. It is just an abrupt ending to a trilogy that was expressing otherwise the entire way. There is no real resolution. Comments???

Well, I tend to disagree. I'm one of those who actually enjoyed the second and third movie more than the first. While the first is a much better paced film, I find it to be a lot more dull than the second two. The convuluted and philisophical ranting were things I was quite engaged with in the films. But I will admit, these new films were far different than what I would call typical mainstream fare. I credit the W Bros for doing this, and I think they succeeded quite well. Regarding the acting...I disagree. Matrix has always had mediocre acting, good enough but nothing spectacular. My complaint with the first Matrix was that...the characters were flat, dull, and completely boring save for the fact that...they kicked butt and looked cool. Forutunately, I felt that the sequels focused less on trying to make these living breathing characters, and more on the ideas and action. Since I didn't feel the dramatics worked all too well in the first film, I much preferred this approach myself. Of course, I'll never understand what made The Matrix so landmark outside its visuals (otherwise, it's a damn good action movie with flat characters imo).


Amen.

Kudos to the Wachowskis for not catering to the lowest common denominator. They made it possible for the lowest common denominator to go online and bitch about how confusing and stupid the movie was and rant on about how they felt that the movies didn't head in the right direction. These are the same people that wouldn't know philosophy or theology to save their life, and feel proud when they bash Revolutions for having 6th grade level philosophy, when the only point that they can bring up is, "MOBIL AVE, OMG, IT'S 'LIMBO' MIXED UP. WOW, SO DEEP." In reality I'm sure even they couldn't figure that out and only realized it when they saw someone mention it online.

While I'm not trying to come off as some over-zealous pre-teen fan who screams "YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT" at every Matrix hater, I get the feeling that this is the case in a lot of people. But convoluted sci-fi isn't for everyone, and I accept that. I enjoyed the trilogy a lot. No doubt that years from now, the films will be regarded much higher just like the critically-panned, but later loved Blade Runner.

And of course CG isn't perfect, but I'm tired of seeing so many people laud ROTK as if Jesus himself came down to work at WETA. I've seen too many ignorant comments on how ROTK had flawless effects, and Revolutions just looked plain bad.

You sure sound like one. I love folks who just bash other people when they say "YOU JUST DON'T GET IT" Give me a break. Its not just Joe Six-Pack who didn't get it. A lot of sci-fan fans who love movies s that make you think didn't get it..including me. If you add the bits and pieces, it just doesn't make much sense.

But Reloaded and Revolutions? Its a bunch of babble, with neat little names attached to everyone. I would say that the Wachowskis did indeed cater to the lowest common denominator because all they did were given people historical names, that a bunch of folks with access to Google could research "Meroviginian" Wow, look how smart I am because I can use Google. YEEEAH!

The W brothers threw a bunch of ideas on the wall, and you can either (a) try to tie it all together - and its pretty strenous or (b) you can say it doesn't make sense when looking at it as a whole.

I took the A route and found it pretty rewarding. It was strenous but worth it because the movie did challenge my mind. Your argument makes it sound like no major movie should ever try to challenge the minds of the audience as they most likely want nothing more than entertainment.