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Old 02-04-04 | 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by RocShemp
The director has gone on record to say that this movie (and the titular character) has no relation to any incarnation of the Batman mythos and is not related to the Catwoman that appears in DC comics publications norany ofhermany incarnations in said publications and the various properties (movies, cartoons, toys, etc.) based on them. It's in essence a totaly different character that just happens to have the same name.

Think of it as if they did a movie about a widower working in a steel mill trying to raise his two six year old daughters and his rebelious 16 year old son that's taken a shine to a local mobster (who himself has chosen to take the young lad under his wing). The father has a shot at a big amateur boxing match and he thinks it's his ticket to get his family out of their lousy dilapidated tenement building and get his kids a better life and the chances he never had. And the name of the movie is Superman.
None of that matters when you take in account that the average person knows that the character Catwoman is from the Batman comics / films. The director can try and seperate the character from the Batman franchise, but it won't help. Infact, they really want to seperate the character, the best bet would be to change the name of the film. Everyone will associate this with the Batman franchise which can only do two things...

(1) Set it up for critics and cynics. The last Batman films have sucked and everyone is ready to burn another one.

(2) Serve to hurt Nolan's first of Batman, which is a completely new take on the franchise.
Old 02-04-04 | 11:54 AM
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Boy, did I get a nice laugh from that video clip. Thanks!
Old 02-04-04 | 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by RocShemp
The director has gone on record to say that this movie (and the titular character) has no relation to any incarnation of the Batman mythos and is not related to the Catwoman that appears in DC comics publications norany ofhermany incarnations in said publications and the various properties (movies, cartoons, toys, etc.) based on them. It's in essence a totaly different character that just happens to have the same name.

Think of it as if they did a movie about a widower working in a steel mill trying to raise his two six year old daughters and his rebelious 16 year old son that's taken a shine to a local mobster (who himself has chosen to take the young lad under his wing). The father has a shot at a big amateur boxing match and he thinks it's his ticket to get his family out of their lousy dilapidated tenement building and get his kids a better life and the chances he never had. And the name of the movie is Superman.
Except it's not like that at all. It's not like this is some Merchant Ivory flick that has the name Catwoman. It will still bear the "Based on the DC Comics character" indica and will be about a woman who dresses up as a cat and runs around with a whip.

Your Superman analogy isn't apt. If they were making a Superman movie and said "We're calling it Superman and he will fly and bullets will bounce off him, but he won't be Clark Kent and his costume will have a stupid headpiece" then it would be apt.
Old 02-04-04 | 12:42 PM
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majorjoe23,

I get what you and LivingINClip are saying and it's quite valid. I was just explaining to Morf why Sessa17 says this has nothing to do with Batman. In reality, it has nothing to do with Batman. The reason to use the name Catwoman is just to leech off the name recognition. Think of this as the producers trying to pull off a scheme similar to the one featured in the plot of The Distinguished Gentlemen. But the fact remains that this is not Selina Kyle or some protege of hers.

As for my analogy, it was just a joke and not meant to be taken seriously. I just made up that ridiculous scenario since Catwoman in this movie has super powers and in the comics she has none. So for this "Superman" I made up I just made a movie about a mere human with no powers that's borrowed its name from a comic about a super powered alien that looks human. Maybe I should have added he fights crime on the side.

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Old 02-04-04 | 01:19 PM
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so the question should be...why?

if it bears NO RESEMBLANCE to the DC character, why call it "Catwoman"? Does DC realize what they're doing?

LivingINClip is right.

Even not taking Halle Berry's S&M fantasies into account, this is a bad idea. I wonder what her response will be when it tanks...

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if it bears NO RESEMBLANCE to the DC character, why call it "Catwoman"? Does DC realize what they're doing?
Well, would you see a movie called Pussybitch?

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Well, would you see a movie called Pussybitch?

Porn has gone mainstream?!

Seriously, though, both DC and WB know what they are doing. Like I said, it's just to attract an audience. I'm sure many will see it out of curiosity. "That's Catwoman?" "Since when can she move around like Spider-Man?" Others, like many here (and myself), will simply shake their heads in disgust.

Besides, DC and WB's previous misshandling of their comic book properties (though not all are bad) makes this none too surprising. Just look at all the terrible ideas surrounding the never ending pre-production of Superman. That Warner Bros. and DC would even entertain such notions is a clear indication of very faulty decision making. This huge gamble is one of them since it's nothing more than a gigantic bait and switch.

It could pay off big time but it could (and most likely) blow up in their faces.

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Old 02-04-04 | 02:01 PM
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or, in other words, this is DC's "Punisher"..
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Originally posted by RocShemp
majorjoe23,

I get what you and LivingINClip are saying and it's quite valid. I was just explaining to Morf why Sessa17 says this has nothing to do with Batman. In reality, it has nothing to do with Batman. The reason to use the name Catwoman is just to leech off the name recognition. Think of this as the producers trying to pull off a scheme similar to the one featured in the plot of The Distinguished Gentlemen. But the fact remains that this is not Selina Kyle or some protege of hers.

As for my analogy, it was just a joke and not meant to be taken seriously. I just made up that ridiculous scenario since Catwoman in this movie has super powers and in the comics she has none. So for this "Superman" I made up I just made a movie about a mere human with no powers that's borrowed its name from a comic about a super powered alien that looks human. Maybe I should have added he fights crime on the side.
That's cool.
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or, in other words, this is DC's "Punisher"..
Not quite since The Punisher at least looks like it's faithful to the essence of the comic book (really pissed off guy with lots of guns and personal demons seeks revenge against those responsible for his family's death and any who stand in his way). If Thomas Jane suddenly started climbing walls, flying through the air or running almost as fast as the speed of light, then The Punisher movie would be comparable to Catwoman.
Old 02-04-04 | 02:51 PM
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not THIS Punisher silly...



THIS one

Old 02-04-04 | 03:46 PM
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I would imagine Nolan and company are just hoping everyone forgets about this so-called 'Catwoman' before his film comes out. With the last two Batman sequels sucking bad, the last think Nolan and his crew is the backlash of another film based off the Batman franchise (even if DC says it isn't - it is).

n reality, it has nothing to do with Batman. The reason to use the name Catwoman is just to leech off the name recognition.
As I stated above, that is the last thing DC needs to be doin'. The newest Batman film has the makings to be a great film, but if they continue to leech off the franchise with such shitty films, then they are hurting the film in the long run.
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Originally posted by Rogue588
not THIS Punisher silly...



THIS one

Oh that Punisher. It relates though I admit it's a guilty pleasure of mine (along with Masters of the Universe).
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Originally posted by LivingINClip
I would imagine Nolan and company are just hoping everyone forgets about this so-called 'Catwoman' before his film comes out. With the last two Batman sequels sucking bad, the last think Nolan and his crew is the backlash of another film based off the Batman franchise (even if DC says it isn't - it is).



As I stated above, that is the last thing DC needs to be doin'. The newest Batman film has the makings to be a great film, but if they continue to leech off the franchise with such shitty films, then they are hurting the film in the long run.
I understand what you mean and I agree with you. I'm just stating what WB/DC's strategy seems to be. It's an idiotic one but they haven't made many smart decisions in quite a while when itcomes to their comicbook based properties. Lokk at how they cancelled Batman: The Animated Series and Batman Beyond and filled the void with the lame-at-best Teen Titans. Also look at their bone-headed decision to tone down Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker to a family accessible feature after the fact. This would have been fine if they had set those parameters before the movie even began animation but instead they made the decision at the last minute. They actually pulled it off (the cuts/changes weren't ALL bad) but when you're used to flying by the seat of your pants your bound to screw majorly at one time or another. This Catwoman feature has major bomb written all over it but the suits will stick to it even if it drags Nolan's Batman movie with it.

And, you know what? When Catwoman bombs (and perhaps the new Batman flick due to association), the suits will simply say that audiences no longer connect with comic book movies and that's why it failed. It sucks but that's how it is.
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Originally posted by RocShemp
I understand what you mean and I agree with you. I'm just stating what WB/DC's strategy seems to be. It's an idiotic one but they haven't made many smart decisions in quite a while when itcomes to their comicbook based properties. Lokk at how they cancelled Batman: The Animated Series and Batman Beyond and filled the void with the lame-at-best Teen Titans. Also look at their bone-headed decision to tone down Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker to a family accessible feature after the fact. This would have been fine if they had set those parameters before the movie even began animation but instead they made the decision at the last minute. They actually pulled it off (the cuts/changes weren't ALL bad) but when you're used to flying by the seat of your pants your bound to screw majorly at one time or another. This Catwoman feature has major bomb written all over it but the suits will stick to it even if it drags Nolan's Batman movie with it.

And, you know what? When Catwoman bombs (and perhaps the new Batman flick due to association), the suits will simply say that audiences no longer connect with comic book movies and that's why it failed. It sucks but that's how it is.

I agree with everything, 'cept the comment about Teen Titans, I midly enjoy it, if you take it for what it is.
Old 02-04-04 | 11:57 PM
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Originally posted by RocShemp
I understand what you mean and I agree with you. I'm just stating what WB/DC's strategy seems to be. It's an idiotic one but they haven't made many smart decisions in quite a while when itcomes to their comicbook based properties. Lokk at how they cancelled Batman: The Animated Series and Batman Beyond and filled the void with the lame-at-best Teen Titans.


Teen Titans. Lamest comic book cartoon. Ever.

Batman(both). Best comic book cartoon. Ever.
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I think you guy's are being a bit harsh on 'Teen Titans' . You have to take in consideration it's on WB Kid's and is aimed for Kid's. Everything about it, the expressions, the characters and the stories. It's all aimed for kids and it's mindless fun. I just hope they don't take the new Batman cartoon in this direction.

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