I hated T3 for all the reasons that others have already written.

It felt like it was written by a committee as an excuse to sting together a bunch of action sequences, which were admittedly well-done.

But the meat between the action sequences bore little resemblance to the forst two Terminator movies. The "talk to the hand" line, the leathers taken from the gay bartender and countless other examples made it feel more like a spoof than a sequel. In fact, I'm surprised Arnold allowed the "talk to the hand" line slip by without saying something.

I also didn't think that the whining adult John Connor was in keeping with the strong John Connor that we saw coming into his own in T2. Frankly, I just wanted to smack him.

The first two Terminator movies proved it was possible to have intelligent action movies with solid plots. T3 undermines that and is nothing more than a jokey imitator with a piss-poor script.

The plot for T3 was good and the ending unexpected. But the execution was not all that great. The acting could have been better, the T-100 Arnold character was unchanged.
The cinematography was nowhere as good as that of T2 which had a expansive feel which T3 did not.

The one important thing missing in T3 but was everywhere in T2 was the man-machine relationship. That although a machine is just a hunk of metal, it can be more faithful and honest than any human being. Proven by the T2 ending.
T3 touches upon this somewhat, but does not evolve it in any way.

T3 just did not have the 'heart' T2 did.

Also, Sarah Connor's absense was sorely missed.

T3 was a great film, but not as good as second. I would put T3 very close to T1 though.

Thank you. This is the reason I didn't care for T2 as much as the others. Yeah, it was cool and a well-put-together film, but I thought everything after the beginning conflicted with the theme of the first.

>>>3. John Connor. Why change the actor to some blond haired pretty boy that makes Paul Walker seem talented?

Because Eddie Furlong was tripped out on coke at the time, or so I'd heard.>4. T-X. No nudity. And the existence begs the question, "Why didn't Skynet send a Battalion of these things back?"

No nudity? You mean aside from the ass shot?>As for the whole whole battalion thing - well, there's just a couple of things you have to put on the shelf when dealing with Time Travel? I mean why hasnt Skynet sent a whole bunch of terminators back to the stone age to exterminate mankind once and for all? Hell, set up an empire in ancient Rome and away you go. One terminator vs the Roman Legions? Piece of cake.

To be frank, and no im not exagerating...it was quite possibly one of the worst films Ive ever seen.

Id put on the level of Wild wild west or Batman and Robin

Pointless drivel, which seemed to be drawn together by a bunch of random action scenes which were less than impressive ending in a complete mess.

Absolutely awful.

From what Ive heard, there was supposedly at least 30 minutes of footage, that was very integral to the plot that was cut from the film at the WBs request? Is this true. Id be interested in seeing the film the director wanted to make, if indeed true.

I think T3 was dissapointing like the Matrix and Jurassic Park sequels were. To many both T2 and the Matrix and JP were instant classics that really did bring some kind of fresh idea to the table. The sequels were not the same at all, just a rehash of the same ideas. In and of themselves they are decent action flicks but when compared to their progenitors they are rather bland and not nearly as thought provoking.


Oh and this is not a Matrix thread so anyone else who mentions it should be BANNED!

"bad to the Bone" didnt feel campy bc we had just seen the t-800 **** up 3 people. like in T1 (but without tearing a heart out, which quite frankly, is a pretty cheesy effect) with the 3 guys. in T2, guy 1: broken arm, knife in his shoulder, guy 2: thrown through window, guy 3: thrown through window, burned on stove. plus he continued to **** people up throughout T2 (only without killing them). how many people does arnie **** up in t3?

in T3, we hadnt seen the t-800 **** anyone up before he said 'talk to the hand'. and this is just a stupid response that 16-year-old girls say. 'Bad to the Bone' is a great rock song.

I just wanted to respond to this point. I did not hate T3, but it was certainly weaker than the first two. a good action movie, but that's all. it suffered immensely from not having Cameron involved.

I disagree with this argument, as there is nothing in T1 which suggests that the future CAN'T be changed. As far as I remember, there is nothing in T1 which states that Skynet was built from the left over parts of the Terminator, that was something added in T2.

In fact, John's existence could be used to argue that it is possible to change the future because something from the future creates the future. Or it could be used to argue the opposite point... its kind of hard to resolve what it means since its rather nonsensical.

By default, you have to assume that the future can be changed.

What i said about T3 making all the movies irrelevant, is that if the future can't be changed, it does not matter what happens. No matter what Skynet or the humans do, the future will be played out as it is described in T1... it completely destroys any tension or uncertainty that the movies could have.

Its one of the problems that I have with prequels, the plot itself becomes of limited interest and has to be replaced with something else, like interesting characters, which most prequels fail to do.

The bottom line is, if there is no reason to believe that the Terminator will kill John or Sara, the movies become entirely uninteresting as they revolve around the bad guys trying to kill the main characters.

I loved T3. I also thought it made up for a lot of shortcomings of T2.



I am hoping that T-4 will take place in the future during the war.

I didn't hate T3 at all. I own it on DVD and after watching it a couple more times, I've grown to enjoy it A LOT more. Great action, good storyline and some overall great moments. If you go in NOT expecting a movie better than T2, you'll be satisfied. That being said, I had a couple problems....

1) No James Cameron touch. Big problem, IMO. No music in that huge car chase? I don't know about anyone else, but the music in the car chase of T2 almost rivals that of the actual chase. It made it infinitely better and more exciting than the T3 chase.

2) Lame humor. Some humor is good, but if you push it too much or fail several times in a role, a movie can get tedious and even annoying.

Why do you have to assume that? It seems to be that if you were going to default to anything - its "that the future cannot be changed"

Everyone claiming that T3 is too self-referential, should really see that beyond the fact that T2 was just as referential to T1 as was T3 to the rest.

The whole "bad to bone" sequence was camp in the first one. If you remember, after Arnold goes through busting people up, he gets on the cycle and the hillbilly comes out with the shotgun. Instead of doing anything bad to the guy, Arnold gets up grabs the shotgun and reaches in the guy's pocket and pulls out the sunglasses. Camp? Pretty much

Or how bout "I swear to not kill anybody" or the lame jokes between John and Arnold in the later part of the movie.

Like I said, T2 is stil better movie than T3 - the T-1000 is a much badder bad ass than the T-X, but there was still some major camp factor coming out of T2 as well.

As far as chases go, T1 was mostly a series of chase scenes, especially after Sarah and Kyle meet up.

I still think T3 is the weakest of the series, but its not worth "hate"

Kristanna Loken= Best Terminator.




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I wouldn't say I hated T3 but it is very weak. The entire film is one long chase scene that ends by saying the whole chase is pointless.

And, I don't believe in 'fate' because it makes choice meaningless. Which makes life irrelevant.

Well, without the chase John Conner would be dead. And well...then he couldn't save the world. So, the ending of T3 makes both T1 and T2 relevant. The only thing that becomes irrelavant is the destruction of skynet in part 2. So this irrelavance issue...I don't get it. The whole point of all three movies was to save John Conner so he could save the future after Judgement Day. Pointless? No.

I didn't like it because, much to my surprise, I was only in it for Sarah Connor. WIthout her, I just couldn't have been paid to care.

I like T3 the best of the Terminator films. Great action and a quick pace. One of the problems that I have with T2 is that the middle part (post hospital-pre Dyson house) drags for too long. Sure there is story in there that is great for first viewings, but for later viewing once you know the story, it gets a little boring there.

T3 I think helps T2's story. The time travel plot hole in T2 is huge. Probably one of the worst time travel storys in a major movie. If T3 had not been made, by the ending of you would assume that they avoided Judgement Day and the future is changed. If Skynet had not been built John's dad wouldn't have returned causing super plot holes. Since T3 happened, it showed that they couldn't have stopped it before.

I guess there is a plot hole in T3 on how could Skynet know to kill off John's followers if they were killed before the war started. I guess the TX could upload the info as a to-do list into Skynet when the machines took over.

I enjoyed it fine. People give the first two films too much credit anyway. I like them both, but they're pretty flawed, and in a lot of ways T3 is the most logical film of them all. Not having Linda Hamilton hurt, and the T-1000 was a better villain than the T-X, but the comedy was strong, and the daytime action sequences were really cool. More than anything, I think this story was necessary to keep the series in perspective. T2's resolution doesn't work. Yeah, it's emotional, but in terms of story, it's never worked for me. I'm glad they made T3 to bring it back together. That said, put me in the camp that fully expected it to suck, so I was pleasantly surprised to have enjoyed it as much as I did.

das

Giant

Ridiculous

Gaping

Plotholes

still, it was better than i thought it would be...

I'll be honest, I went into this movie expecting a big steaming POS but I came out pleasantly surprised. It was a very good popcorn movie that had a decent story that fit with the previous 2 films very well. Nick Stahl was very good as John Connor, certainly better than Eddie Furlong was, but I didn't care much for Claire Danes's character. Arnold was...well, Arnold. What did you expect? The visual effects were stunning, some of the best I've ever seen. Seriously. I loved it's quick pace, and the ending was great. I didn't expect it, which really appealed to me.

I still have to rank T3 my least favorite out of the trilogy, only because I believe the previous 2 films were true classics of the genre, while T3 was a worty entry, but definitely not a classic by any means. Here are my rankings of the films:

T2: Judgement Day
The Terminator
T3: Rise of the Machines

Hated it. It turned one of the best sf franchises into a stupid action movie franchise.

BTW how does a daughter who didn't know exactly what her father job is just walk with several friends into a top secret underground military installation....?

And I bet anybody off the street could program a supercollider while running away from a homicidal robot...!!

What makes you think they walked in?

Different strokes for different folks.

I loved it as well.

They could have 'saved the world' by destroying Skynet as they tried in T2 - yes, I realize that would create a paradox but that's unavoidable - even T3 has paradoxes.

You can't have a world that has pre-destination AND free-will. T3 says no matter what happens Judgement Day is inevitable - which is bull because the future has already affected the past which lead to a different future.

But it's a different future in which Judgement Day always happens.

The Machines are trying to change the future so that Connor won't lead the resistance and defeat them.

They have always failed.

My guess is that both Judgement Day and Connor leading the humans to victory are both inevitable.

Thus the future hasn't really been changed much, just delayed in the case of Judgement Day.