The truth about the Star Wars-Jinzô link...
 

"Jinzô gingen Kikaidâ" (1972), from which Lukas ripped off the Darth Vader character, was produced by Tôru Hirayama, who also produced "Uchu kara no messeji" (Message from Space) (1978), (1) to capitalize on Star Wars' success and (2) as a way of getting back at Lukas for ripping him off in the first place. When the negative reviews started piling up (it is one of the most ridiculous movies of all time), defenders of the film pointed out all that Lukas owed to the Japanese sci-fi genre and propagated the rumor that Lukas had bought out the rights to "Uchu" to keep from embarassing himself.

I admit I believed the rumor at the time (1978) and that I have propagated it here. I should have checked my facts, which passed for conventional wisdom at the time. ("How could the Japanese have come up with a rip-off version so fast unless their film was in production before 'Star Wars'?", etc.)

But the fact remains that "Star Wars" is a monumental assembly of diverse influences, rip-offs and what have you.

And it still has nothing to do with "Nemo".

Re: The truth about the Star Wars-Jinzô link...
 

<img src="http://incolor.inebraska.com/stuart/kikaida/denjiendo.jpg" align=right>This is true, and nobody disputes that. Lucas has acknowledged his multiple influences since the beginning, and the fact is despite all the influence, the first Star Wars was a remarkably fresh movie-going experience in 1977.

And of course this is a far cry from your original claims about a "Japanese sci-fi flick George Lukas (sic) had to buy outright, take off the market and destroy because it contained the characters of Pincess Leia and Darth Vader he had 'accidentally' ripped off."

Now, if episode 3 has a new character named "Dancing Technicolor Man," feel free to raise this point up again.
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The truth about the Star Wars-Jinzô link...
 

Well, Queen Amidala comes awfully close to a traditional Japanese geisha...

baracine, serious quesiton.. Are you an anime fan?

God, no! My interest in this question stems from the fact that I went to see Star Wars in Montreal when it first came out (1977), a film I didn't want to see, dragged in by my 9-year-old Paris-born nephew Étienne who did not understand a word of English (this was before the Quebec laws made it mandatory for US films to be shown in a French-dubbed version). It was in a poorly-ventilated multiplex with very bad sound and acoustics and a tiny screen. My nephew was absolutely captivated just the same and kept asking me: "What did they say? What did they say?" and I had to spend two hours translating or miming the whole mess to the best of my ability. I made a solemn vow after that to expose Lucas' shortcomings every chance I got.

Besides, the Japanese films we are talking about here are not animation but live-action and they are also God-awful.

No offense, just checking. -wink-

rotfl
Water I drank just came out of my nose but it was totally worth it!

So your whole beef with Lucas is that the fact that your snot-nosed nephew made you go see a movie? That seems really intelligent.

I guess more intelligent than your blatant falsehoods posted earlier about some Japanese film that Lucas is trying to bury alongside Hoffa.

Since no one else said it...
 

What's with today, today?

That's a law !?! Has the Quebec government ever heard of subtitles? Yeesh.

Also, while Star Wars may be an amalgam of ideas appropriated from several different sources, they are not rip-offs, as Lucas has openly admitted to every single one. And Groucho is right, it was and remains a fresh viewing experience (I say as I look lovingly at my non-special edition laserdiscs). You know another film that has about as many references and homages as Star Wars? Pulp Fiction. So now I'll bet you hate Tarantino, too. Or do you not mind him because your nephew didn't force you to translate the movie back when it came out?

That guy
 

As I'm sure other members of this discussion group will be more than happy to point out to you, I happen to be of the opinion that Tarantino is the scum of the earth.

But you probably already knew that and are just baiting me, here.

Do you think it is possible to get back to Nemo, seriously?

I have learned from experience that, normally, the next step in a discussion like this is that some clown will start discussing my health record...

Re: The truth about the Star Wars-Jinzô link...
 

Well that's it, then! Case closed, I guess.

OK. Nemo isn't plagarism either. You can't claim you invented a cute clown fish.

I understand that George Lucas is claiming that he penned the lyrics to the 70's classic "Life is a Rock, but the Radio Rolled Me", a notion that is being challenged by Pixar, who also claims authorship. The ditty's alleged author, Haruki Shusaku, could not comment as he has been missing for three weeks. The only clues found at the crime scene were a multicolored helmet, a hardcover edition of "The Art of A Bug's Life", and a Princess Amidala dress-up kit. More as this develops.

Sure:
http://store1.yimg.com/I/siegissausage_1766_1628483

You havent done that this entire thread.

I think someone needs to stop eating Canadian beef.

Beef...
 

What I said:

More "Pierrot" pictures:

http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/tg/...#more-pictures

HERE ARE SOME COLD HARD FACTS

Lucas has five letters in his name.
Pixar has five letters in its name.

If you speak the words "Darth Vader" into the crook of your elbow pressed up against your mouth, it comes out sounding awfully like "Kimba the White Lion."

Both Ray Parker Jr. and Huey Lewis, sparring partners over who created the Ghostbusters/I Want A New Drug bass riff, have not had a major hit since "Willow" opened in the Summer of 1988... a Lucasfilm production!

Pixar is run by Steve Jobs, whose name is an anagram for "Steve's job"... a clearcut reference to Franck "Steve" Le Calvez, creator of "Pierrot."

Turn the phrase THX1138 upside down. The numbers "1138" form the word "bell" on a calculator, the letters X and H remain the same, but all are then followed by THE RECOGNIZED INTERNATIONAL SYMBOL FOR PERPENDICULAR ANGLES. I think that speaks for itself, really.

I smell a summary judgement.

Re: Beef is yummy.
 

More "Real Clown Fish" pictures (© God, Inc.):

http://www.diversionoz.com/cards/clown.jpg

http://www.divernet.com/photog/gallery/pics/rruth2.jpg

http://www.wamas.org/images/clown.jpg

-eek- SHOCKING! -eek-

Re: Furthermore...
 

Um, you consider getting *married* to be "sluttish behavior"?

Seriously?

Re: Re: Furthermore...
 

Only when you're a slut to begin with and you end the mariage inside 55 hours.

Re: Re: Beef is yummy.
 

:lol:rotfl:lol:

even if you did mock anime fans

Dude, get over it.

Another reason to invade France. I will plunder their copyright to clown fish while crusining in my Peugeot.

HERE'S A NEWS UPDATE

Britney Spears's marriage was apparently annulled at the behest of George Lucas.

There are five letters in "Spears", "Lucas", "Pixar", and "Nemoo" (the extra 'o' is for OUTRAGEOUSLY PLAGIARIZED.)

In page 13 of Pierrot le poisson clown, written by Franck "Steve" Le Calvez, Pierrot's slutty mother gets speared through the gills by a drunken Frenchman, a scene Lucas ripped off when Obi-Wan bites it in Episode 4. Think about it: Slut... Spears...

I don't even know why there's even a debate anymore...

-ohbfrank-

;)

Umm... five individual letters? :o

Or are you one of Lucas's jackbooted thugs?!?!?!?

Re: That guy
 

I didn't know you hated Tarantino. It is kind of funny, though, that despite being the scum of the earth, he's an incredibly talented filmmaker who is very personable and forthcoming. Weird.

As for getting back to Nemo, what is there to discuss? The facts in the case are so flimsy that there is no case. That is why it's been so easy to go off on tangents about Lucas buying up Japanese films. You have made some outrageous claims about Disney, but none of them have been substantiated.

Disney?
 

You must be confusing me with somebody else. I didn't start this thread and I made absolutely no claim about Disney. The subject is Pixar, Nemo and a French writer who claims the storyline of Nemo came from him.

I don't have to make claims about Disney. Disney's history of habitual plagiarism is very well documented elsewhere.

Re: Disney?
 

Sounds like a claim to me. And whats this. . . "very well documented elsewhere." In some magical folder sitting very unsubstatiated.

Keep in mind baracine that your sock drawer, the ends of your limited imagination, or your refrigerator do not count as documentation of these claims.

Notice to Zero, Tanman and Suprmallet
 

Reality check, here?

I know it requires some effort since this thread is 5 pages long and growing, but maybe you should extend your fellow members the courtesy of reading a whole thread before posting an intervention?

The plagiarism charge against Disney concerning "The Lion King" (ripped off a Japanese animé film named "Kimba") was mentioned by Groucho (among others) and the charge against Disney concerning "Atlantis" (ripped off a Japanese animé named "Nadja") was made by Suprmallet (01-01-04 07:09 AM).

You would think Suprmallet would remember one of his own postings...

These plagiarism charges are extremely well documented elsewhere. Just punch in "Disney plagiarism" in Google for hours and hours and hours of fascinating reading with ample illustrations. But they were not made (or documented) by me. The subject of this thread is Pixar and Nemo.

The allegations I made about Lucas and "Star Wars" have been resolved in the present thread.

The allegations I made about Spielberg and "E.T." are continued, documented and resolved in this other thread: http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...hreadid=339923

Thank you for your time.

Are you people honestly trying to say that no one has documented Disney plagiarism (or claims thereof) other than baracine? That's a bit naive, n'est-ce pas?

http://www.thesecretofbluewater.com/atlantis-i.htm
http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedFo...nfaq.html#plot
http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedFo...aq.html#tezuka
http://www.nwlink.com/~jade/anime/satonaka.htm

and this one from the Yahoo Group called "disneyhaters" (clever, eh?) is pretty funny:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/disney...e/205?source=1

I'll leave the other 11,000,000 pages for you to peruse if interested.

And for the record, Disney does NOT own Pixar. They simply have an exclusive distribution deal. Pixar is a publically traded company (PIXR). Buy some stock today! It's up .30 as of RIGHT NOW.

See. Now was that so hard to do. All you have to do is post some links to support some of your accusations. I think we are giving baracine a hard time because he comes across as having some personal vendetta with Disney and Lucas. Well that and he is sympathetic to the French. Oh, yeah and there was that awkward moment when he thought we were going to invade France because the men in black suits were removing all knowledge about Pierrot on all of the sites and the only ones he could find were from french sites which is obvious cause for alarm. And something about atoms not being social. See I am paying attention.

But what can I say we will still donate sperm for you guys and buy your drugs.

Wow.. just, wow.

No, my personal vendetta is against people who act like they have spent their entire adult life under a rock, like yourself, or in dank, wrong-side-of-the-track movie houses masturbating to Kung Fu epics, like Quentin Tarantino.

Ok Im probably asking for a beating here, but would you care to expand on that? Because that statement alone just sounds like your making crap up with no real sense of what the hell your talking about.

To Zero:
 

Click on my Search button and scroll down to "The Mummy Returns: A post - Kill Bill Vol. 1 reassessment" thread.

Re: Notice to Zero, Tanman and Suprmallet
 

For your information, I have read the entire thread, and I have NOT forgotten my own post. However, as has been mentioned in this entire thread, the facts against Pixar in the Finding Nemo issue are virtually nil, and yet you talk about them as if they were so solid that the entire world will start turning on a different axis if this thing goes to court.

And perhaps part of the reason people are doubting you left and right is because you're coming off as some kind of hardcore zealot, determined to rid the world of people in entertainment that you feel have done some injustice. This has lead to many outrageous claims, several of which have been proven to be untrue, and the result of rumors. So why do you expect us to listen to you, especially when any time anyone posts against you, your basic response is to insult the person, such as you did with tanman. This is a discussion forum, and people have a right to their own views, no matter what you may think of the views or the person, and perhaps we'd treat you more decently if you thought to act more decently yourself.