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Old 12-21-03 | 07:05 AM
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I think I saw one, in the middle of the Minas Tirith battle scene, but I didn't notice too much...
Me too. I noticed it a hell of a lot more in the Two Towers EE last weekend but it barely registered this time.
Old 12-21-03 | 10:44 AM
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Every film that I've seen the red dots in them (and I see pretty much all the new releases at the theaters), they are always confined to one reel in the film.

Think about it: If you wanted to scar each print individually for tracking purposes, it makes sense to only do one reel of each film released (consider the logistic involved as well). Why scar more than one reel if you don't have to do so?
I've thought about it.

Many films have them sprinkled liberally throughout and not confined to one reel. Thank you.
Old 12-21-03 | 11:25 AM
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I saw two. One when they closed a book, and the other on the catapults mentioned previously. Kill Bill still is the king of this code. I saw about ten! Awful!
Old 01-02-04 | 09:21 PM
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i have seen kill bill 3 times on the big screen and have 'enjoyed' several online versions (workprint, telesync .... i can;t wait to shell out money for the real DVD)

and i have not noticed any red dots or blibs or whatever (the only red dots i saw where BLOOD )
Old 01-03-04 | 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by caipirina
i have seen kill bill 3 times on the big screen and have 'enjoyed' several online versions (workprint, telesync .... i can;t wait to shell out money for the real DVD)

and i have not noticed any red dots or blibs or whatever (the only red dots i saw where BLOOD )
What do you want, some kind of award for not paying attention? Congratulations.
Old 01-03-04 | 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by Pants
What do you want, some kind of award for not paying attention? Congratulations.
Ok .. let me work on my acceptence speech

I think that maybe the people who cooked that silly idea up were somewhat right with their whole concept of "it is subliminal" ... and that may be the reason why i have not seen it .. because i had never even heard of it before .. now that I am aware of them, i think i noticed something in "Last Samurai" ... not sure though ...

anyways ... in a couple of years we will be all strip and cavity searched upon entering and leaving a cinema ...
Old 01-03-04 | 05:51 PM
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I've never seen them in any film I've been to, including Kill Bill and ROTK. But then, I'm usually too engrossed in the story to notice something like this, especially when the prints themselves get scratched and otherwise marred from normal wear and tear. Not that I don't believe it exists, just that I've got better things to do than look for it.
Old 01-12-04 | 01:04 AM
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seems this Coded Anti Piracy (CAP) code is not such a new idea at all

http://tig.colorist.org/pipermail/ti...er/004188.html
Old 01-12-04 | 01:25 AM
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Originally posted by necros
I go to the movies all the time, and I still have yet to ever see one of these silly dots everyone keeps talking about.
Probably because you pay attention or get engrossed. I do, that's why I don't notice them unless I start looking for them. I enjoyed the movie too much to let such things distract me. On a side note I only noticed one.
Old 01-12-04 | 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by caipirina
seems this Coded Anti Piracy (CAP) code is not such a new idea at all

http://tig.colorist.org/pipermail/ti...er/004188.html
As he said in the article, the original CAP code was so small (and black) you couldn't see it, this new capcode is in bright orange-red and is much larger. You'd have to be blind to miss it once you've seen it once.

Those of you who haven't seen it, consider yourselves lucky, but shut it about, "you haven't noticed because your engrosed." You're trying to slander those of us who notice CAP code as people who don't "watch" the film and are too hung up on technical issues. That's BS. Besides, your "oh well, I'm having too much of a good time to notice", is only going to make the studios feel free to do this as much as they want.

CAP code is bullshit and it should end now. For $10 I demand a flawless print on opening night, they aren't delivering it, something needs to change.

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Old 01-12-04 | 12:36 PM
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CAP code is bullshit and it should end now. For $10 I demand a flawless print on opening night, they aren't delivering it, something needs to change.
Flawless print? You call watching a movie in a movie theatre flawless? Ya that constant grainyness is flawless. The only "flawless" print you see is watching the DVD on your 42 inch HDTV.

I could really care less about them. Your at a movie theatre in a cramped seat drinking watered down soda with a bunch of dumbasses talking everywhere watching a grainy version of the movie. Some dots that show up for a splint second once an hour don't really bother me. I think about them for about a split second and then back to the movie if I even notice them at all.
Old 01-13-04 | 11:07 AM
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Crap Code? Yes.
Old 01-13-04 | 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by Mopower
Flawless print? You call watching a movie in a movie theatre flawless? Ya that constant grainyness is flawless. The only "flawless" print you see is watching the DVD on your 42 inch HDTV.
The experience could be flawless. And as disruptive as some audiences can be, films are meant to be watched in a theater, with an audience, projected on 35mm (unless of course they were filmed in some other format). HDTV is a great compromise for home use, but nothing compares to the quality of a properly timed signature print (I don't think these even exist anymore) projected properly on a clean screen by a projectionist. The problem is that this is nearly impossible to have these days.

It's just a little sad to me to hear people say that a 42" HDTV is superior to the theatrical experience. I love the quality and privacy of my HT too, but I would never speak ill of 35mm.
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Re: So is ROTK marred with Crap Code?

I came across this old thread and I wanted to bump it because I haven't seen any CAP code in a long time. Did the studios come to their senses and stop using it?
Old 09-26-12 | 05:39 PM
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Re: So is ROTK marred with Crap Code?

I haven't seen a 35mm print in a long time- last one I saw was "There Will Be Blood", which appropriately enough had been platter-scratched. Most theaters are digital now, and I haven't seen any such nonsense on that. I still don't think the picture is as good as film done properly, but I don't miss the crap code or the changeover cues, or having the ending of the movie ruined by some automation tape put on the film to bring the lights up at the end credits.
Old 09-26-12 | 07:42 PM
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Re: So is ROTK marred with Crap Code?

Originally Posted by Pants
The experience could be flawless. And as disruptive as some audiences can be, films are meant to be watched in a theater, with an audience, projected on 35mm (unless of course they were filmed in some other format). HDTV is a great compromise for home use, but nothing compares to the quality of a properly timed signature print (I don't think these even exist anymore) projected properly on a clean screen by a projectionist. The problem is that this is nearly impossible to have these days.

It's just a little sad to me to hear people say that a 42" HDTV is superior to the theatrical experience. I love the quality and privacy of my HT too, but I would never speak ill of 35mm.
Sad to see this guy is banned after his beautiful slapdown of Mopower's rediculous "perfect print = DVD on a 42 inch TV" comment.

Anyway, how times have changed. I really miss 35mm.
Old 09-26-12 | 10:42 PM
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Re: So is ROTK marred with Crap Code?

Originally Posted by Mabuse
I came across this old thread and I wanted to bump it because I haven't seen any CAP code in a long time. Did the studios come to their senses and stop using it?
When I saw Killer Joe at the Angelika in Dallas, the red dots were all over the print. It was incredibly distracting. I'm pretty sure it was a 35mm print.
Old 09-26-12 | 11:00 PM
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Re: So is ROTK marred with Crap Code?

So I went back and tried to find out why Pants got banned. It came in a thread about why parents bring kids to the theater. He seemed to have been banned for basically nothing.

Very confusing.
Old 09-26-12 | 11:44 PM
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Re: So is ROTK marred with Crap Code?

Originally Posted by Mopower
Flawless print? You call watching a movie in a movie theatre flawless? Ya that constant grainyness is flawless. The only "flawless" print you see is watching the DVD on your 42 inch HDTV.


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Old 09-26-12 | 11:58 PM
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Re: So is ROTK marred with Crap Code?

Well that tears it. I'll be sure to avoid Return of the King in theaters.
Old 09-27-12 | 05:45 PM
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Re: So is ROTK marred with Crap Code?

I don't see why they wouldn't use it on digital movies. I thought the point was to be able to track the origins of camcorder bootlegs. Why would digital change that? It could even be more sophisticated; they could change it up each time and trace the bootleg to the specific showing.

Hopefully they just gave up on the idea anyway.

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