The game franchise died a great deal after the initial shock of tomb raider 1's "Oooh look, she has big boobs and is the female Indiana jones". the games appeal have gone down since the second game. the studio new this and still felt that a sequel was needed.

I'm sorry but you continue to insinuate that your opinion is the
opinion of everyone, and while I will concide that some do feel
the way you do about the film, but (even your link proves) that
more liked the film than disliked it. And your comparing apples
to oranges. The same people who downloaded the movie from
the print are mostly the type that would buy comics, to which this
movie would have been aimed at. And comparing this to movies
currently in release that you can download also doesn't apply as
the Hulk print was available over a week before it was even
released in theaters. Big difference. And...the fan base IS huge.
The reason it's not still in the top 10 are people like you who
didn't like the movie because Mr Lee forgot to use the star wipe.

I'll let you have the last word (as O'Reilly would say) as I think
you'll continue to prove yourself wrong without my help.

Back on topic...I stand by my original comment:


Jason

I'm taking Jack's side on the Hulk bashing. As one of the first posters on here to not be afraid to say 'Hulk sucks' I'd like to congratulate Jack for pointing out all the reasons why Hulk sucks. As for the studios blaming other groups, well basically the studio should blame the directors plain and simple. It is possible to make a good Tomb Raider movie especially with Oscar winning Angelina Jolie though I'd have to admit there's no hope for making a decent Charlie's Angels sequel.

Add nudity maybe?

Yeah. so true. I mean it is different to compare a film that is in theaters while the bootleg is out there to films that have the bootleg come out before the film is released. I mean Hulk must have really suffered from that you know. I remember another two films that the Bootleg was released on the net roughly one to two weeks before it was released in theaters. Star Wars Episode II and Spiderman. No wonder those two films didn't do well in the theaters.. Internet bootlegs.. the real reason films fail.. right.





That is not intended as a bash on the hulk.. just a general discription that internet bootlegs mean crap to a films success simply because folks relate net with songs. the day when you can download a full film in less time and easier to find.. films are still safe and folks would rather watch a film in theaters instead of a 17 inch monitor all grainy.

Don't forget - yeah Godzilla made some money, but came no where near expectations after it was so hyped and even infuriated theater chains as Sony demanded a larger cut for its opening weekend.

Amazingly, I even remember reading earlier this year the "Godzilla excuse" as to why it failed. It was during the time the Hulk trailers were popping up and showing the Hulk in all his CGI green-skinned glory. Questions were being raised as to why the studio was violating a sacred rule of showing the star monster in the trailer rather than have the audience see it for the first time in the theater. Universal's explanation was that they had taken a lesson from what happened to Sony with Godzilla. Since Sony's trailers only gave hinting glimpses of the monster (i.e., just his tail, etc.), audiences were unimpressed and stayed away from the theater to see what Godzilla looked like. Therefore, Universal's marketing department, didn't want to repeat the same mistake so they showed the complete Hulk in their trailers.

Studios, like people in general, will stop blaming others for their mistakes about 6 minutes after the sun burns out.

which hopefully we will see since I read on thedigitalbits.com or one of those sites that full throttel will be coming in both rated and unrated versions.

No chance it will actually have nudity or else the talk of that would have been beyond any other talk of the film. it might come out in an unrated version.. but I wouldn't assume anything other then it was a marketing gimmick like most "unrated" dvd's are.

But the movie wasn't aimed at comic fans. Most comic fans DESPISE the movie. That was a stupid mistake, alienating one of your biggest markets.

They despise it for the same reason Daredevil was panned by a lot of comics fans... the people making the film ignored the basic code of the main character.

In Daredevil's case, it was his code against killing. Matt Murdock believes that the legal system is right in the end, and that's what he must adhere to. He WILL. NOT. KILL. Not to mention, the writer of the movie also decided that along with heightened senses, Daredevil somehow got bones of adamantium that wouldn't cause him to fold up like an accordion when jumping off of tall buildings and landing feet first.

In Hulk's case, it was the whole "When I lose control... I like it" line that turned many off. The appeal of the savage Hulk character was Bruce Banner's loathing over what he turned in to, and his quest to stop the Hulk before it killed anyone. Never did he take any sort of joy in his situation. The whole botching of teh Absorbing Man and how he was handled didn't help either.

If Universal wanted Hulk to be a giant popcorn movie event that you can have birthday parties themed after, then they shouldn't have hired Ang Lee for the job.
I am not bashing Lee nor Hulk. Bottom line is this: when you look at all of the comic book characters out there from Marvel that could make good movie heroes, Hulk isn't one of them, especially if you want to stay true to the comic. Anyone who has read the comic would know that it does go for long periods without showing Hulk in some storylines and it has a lot of psychological material in it as well. Lee captured this mood perfectly IMO, but is this the approach that should have been taken? Apparently not.
Of all comic book movies where changing the material and spirit would have been merited in favor of success, I would say Hulk is the best candidate.

I wonder what the excuse for Gigli will be?

"We blame the public! The fact that they don't know true chemistry between two leads and people they should admire is not our fault!"

As for HULK, if they would have trimed the movie to 1hr. 30min. it would have made more money.

TOMB RAIDER should have had nudity and lots of it. To bring in the 18- 50 males.

CHARLIE"S ANGELS 2 should have gotten new chicks to cut the budget and then the movie would have been a hit.
I mean did you know they paid Cameron Diaz $20 million to do this movie?!

Tomb Raider couldn't have had nudity for the simple reason that they were still counting on it to appeal to the younger PG-13 kids that play the video games.

Universal will probably be stupid enough to make a Hulk 2.