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Alien 3 & 4 both aged better than I thought they would. I mostly hated them back when I saw them in theaters because they weren't 1 or 2, but taken on their own terms, they're not that bad, and don't need to be ignored to make a great 5th movie. But, whatever.
Evidenced by Elysium, Bomkamp is very capable of putting out beautiful looking nonsense, so let's not get too excited just yet.
Evidenced by Elysium, Bomkamp is very capable of putting out beautiful looking nonsense, so let's not get too excited just yet.
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The thing about Alien is that it's sort of a perfect movie that doesn't really need a sequel. There's an air of mystery around the whole thing that leaves you wanting more, but I fear that any answers given would be unsatisfying.
In a way, even though it's a lesser movie, Aliens is kind of brilliant in as a sequel in that it doesn't really resolve any of the mysteries from the first film while still expanding the mythology (ie, introducing the Queen).
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I'd be psyched for this if this was the direction decided upon 20 years ago.
If they are going to get the gang back together, how are they going to explain how old everyone looks? Recasting Newt is easy, but everyone else looks a big haggard.
If they are going to get the gang back together, how are they going to explain how old everyone looks? Recasting Newt is easy, but everyone else looks a big haggard.
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The thing about Alien is that it's sort of a perfect movie that doesn't really need a sequel. There's an air of mystery around the whole thing that leaves you wanting more, but I fear that any answers given would be unsatisfying.
In a way, even though it's a lesser movie, Aliens is kind of brilliant in as a sequel in that it doesn't really resolve any of the mysteries from the first film while still expanding the mythology (ie, introducing the Queen).
In a way, even though it's a lesser movie, Aliens is kind of brilliant in as a sequel in that it doesn't really resolve any of the mysteries from the first film while still expanding the mythology (ie, introducing the Queen).
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Since they're ignoring 3 and 4, it would make sense to not have it take place immediately following the events of Aliens, obviously. Hell, they could make this a pass the baton thing and have Newt be the lone survivor of this film.
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Saw the headline that this would give Ripley a "proper ending." So seems like they will skip 3 and 4.
Isn't that what they sorta did with Superman Returns?
Isn't that what they sorta did with Superman Returns?
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Superman Returns basically used the first two Donner films as a (very) loose backstory so that they don't have to redo the origin, and ignores III & IV completely. Personally, I think it's worth a reassessment after the misfire of Man of Steel. I'll have to check one of these days. Is the boxed set still the only way to get the extended cut of Superman: The Movie?
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It's twenty years later, Hicks, Ripley and Newt are living as a family on Earth with the money the Company paid them to keep quiet. One day a Bishop robot shows up and announces there's been a new encounter with xenomorphs, and the military needs their expertise.
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Re: Alien 5 (D: Blomkamp) - News, rumors, etc.
Superman Returns basically used the first two Donner films as a (very) loose backstory so that they don't have to redo the origin, and ignores III & IV completely. Personally, I think it's worth a reassessment after the misfire of Man of Steel. I'll have to check one of these days. Is the boxed set still the only way to get the extended cut of Superman: The Movie?
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The real question is will they try to get Carrie Henn to reprise her role as Newt or get a big name actress ala Jennifer Lawrence or ScarJo
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Interesting article from Dark Horizons:
Exploding onto the scene with "District 9" in 2009, filmmaker Neill Blomkamp's follow-up 2013 effort "Elysium" was met with a much more muted response. In fact, the film has often been cited as evidence in arguments between fans as to why Blomkamp should not be tackling the next "Alien" film.
It turns out even Blomkamp himself is unhappy with how "Elysium" turned out, and admits in a new interview with Uproxx that he only has himself to blame:
"I feel like I f--ked it up. I feel like ultimately the story is not the right story. I still think the satirical idea of a ring filled with rich people hovering above the impoverished Earth is an awesome idea. I love it so much, I almost want to go back and do it correctly.
But I just think the script wasn't… I just didn't make a good enough film is ultimately what it is. I feel like I executed all of the stuff that could be executed, like costume and set design and special effects very well. But ultimately it was all resting on a somewhat not totally formed skeletal system, so the script just wasn't there."
Indeed, Blomkamp is straightforward and blunt about his own weaknesses as a filmmaker and what he knows he has to work on going forward:
"The problem with me is I get so caught up in concepts and ideas. Like I just said, the ring is so cool. The satirical idea of a diamond encrusted ring above, like, slums is such a satirically cool idea - I'm not like a normal person in the sense that I have to have a story for something to be interesting. Concepts are just as interesting to me as stories are. Where, to normal people, stories are more interesting.
So that's an example of what I mean. I can be like, 'f--k, I love this ring, I love all the visual effects related to it, I love these images and how they're juxtaposed with one another.' And then be like, 'as a director, I could have done better.' And you sort of realize that all these people prefer this element I didn't pay as much attention to, but I paid a lot of attention to this.
The artists I really respect are the ones that are able to very objectively stand back from work and critique it. So, that has been something I've always been good at. I don't assume something's good because I did it and I get all cloudy and f--ked up by it. There's a separation and you got this really right and you got this really wrong - and learn from it and adapt."
Have the lessons worked? We'll find out next week when reviews for "Chappie" start going online.
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I find it concerning that story isn't of paramount importance to him, although it sounds like he may have learned his lesson. As a filmmaker, though, how can you not understand your film lives and dies by the quality of the writing? There are lots of unwatchable films full of cool concepts and set pieces.
Exploding onto the scene with "District 9" in 2009, filmmaker Neill Blomkamp's follow-up 2013 effort "Elysium" was met with a much more muted response. In fact, the film has often been cited as evidence in arguments between fans as to why Blomkamp should not be tackling the next "Alien" film.
It turns out even Blomkamp himself is unhappy with how "Elysium" turned out, and admits in a new interview with Uproxx that he only has himself to blame:
"I feel like I f--ked it up. I feel like ultimately the story is not the right story. I still think the satirical idea of a ring filled with rich people hovering above the impoverished Earth is an awesome idea. I love it so much, I almost want to go back and do it correctly.
But I just think the script wasn't… I just didn't make a good enough film is ultimately what it is. I feel like I executed all of the stuff that could be executed, like costume and set design and special effects very well. But ultimately it was all resting on a somewhat not totally formed skeletal system, so the script just wasn't there."
Indeed, Blomkamp is straightforward and blunt about his own weaknesses as a filmmaker and what he knows he has to work on going forward:
"The problem with me is I get so caught up in concepts and ideas. Like I just said, the ring is so cool. The satirical idea of a diamond encrusted ring above, like, slums is such a satirically cool idea - I'm not like a normal person in the sense that I have to have a story for something to be interesting. Concepts are just as interesting to me as stories are. Where, to normal people, stories are more interesting.
So that's an example of what I mean. I can be like, 'f--k, I love this ring, I love all the visual effects related to it, I love these images and how they're juxtaposed with one another.' And then be like, 'as a director, I could have done better.' And you sort of realize that all these people prefer this element I didn't pay as much attention to, but I paid a lot of attention to this.
The artists I really respect are the ones that are able to very objectively stand back from work and critique it. So, that has been something I've always been good at. I don't assume something's good because I did it and I get all cloudy and f--ked up by it. There's a separation and you got this really right and you got this really wrong - and learn from it and adapt."
Have the lessons worked? We'll find out next week when reviews for "Chappie" start going online.
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I find it concerning that story isn't of paramount importance to him, although it sounds like he may have learned his lesson. As a filmmaker, though, how can you not understand your film lives and dies by the quality of the writing? There are lots of unwatchable films full of cool concepts and set pieces.
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Yes, there are many such films, and they make tons and tons and tons of money because the audience is willing to let it slide if there are enough special effects to occupy their eyes. Sad, but true.
Though I think that Blomkamp is confusing "ideas" with "set pieces,"
Though I think that Blomkamp is confusing "ideas" with "set pieces,"
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