Submit your theories on The Matrix Revolutions in this new thread. Please no MIAM nonsense.

Where to start??? well I'm sure some of this has been stated elsewhere previously but anyway here are some miscellaneous ramblings of a MIAM non-believer.

IMO, it will be exposed that Neo and also the other previous ones are part human/part machine programs designed by the machines to 'hack' the real world.. (why I am not sure.. I am starting to suspect that it has something to do with the machines in the lower levels of the Zion)

Merovigian was aprevious one and was also human/program.

Persephone is also a human/program mix whose previous (fulfilled?) role is the same as the current Trinity. Merovigian and Persophone were at one point part human and capable of love.. but their human bodies have died and all that remains is a the human "emulation" program...

That's why Persephone wanted that kiss. She longed for the human emotion that Neo still has... and why she said "it's not going to last".. The "emulation" programming will out last the human body as long as the body dies while it is jacked into the matrix..and once the human body dies.. the "soul" goes with it. Which is the reason Neo has what Merovigian does not..

This can also explain Smith jumping to the real world. Maybe he absorbed this ability from the Neo progam??

Not sure why yet but I believe that the Rave sex scene will be significant and what will also be of significance is the fact that both Neo and Trinity have died in the matrix.

anyway...back to work.. Hope to add more later.

This actually makes sense and is probably one of the better explanations I have heard.

I personally hate the Matrix In A Matrix explanation too. It seems too hokey, like one of those sitcoms where a bunch of bad stuff happens and at the end they find out, "it was all just a dream!"

Exactly. Didn't they do the same thing in Dallas? When they brought Duffy back? "The last 8 seasons were just a dream!"

As for Revolutions, it seems there will be two climactic battles, probably occuring at the same time, ala, G. Lucas, 1. Neo vs. Smith, 2. Machines vs. Zion.

And from the trailers, there seems to be enemies who walk on the ceiling. and gun battles ensue. this ceiling/floor aspect changes the entire dynamic of battles. if this is the case, it should be phenomenal!

here's a couple other hints that point to Neo being a "programmed" human... (Not sure if even I believe them all.. but anyway...)

Both He and Agent Smith/Bane end up in a Coma at the same time... Coincidence? I don't think so.

Agent smith kinda died in the matrix but refused to get deleted... Did Neo also do the same in the first one? How exactky did he come back to life?

Just as Seraph gathers info from Neo by fighting him.. I think the Oracle can alter Neo's programming by suggestions and gifts that are given to him. Question...Why can't anybody else see the Oracle at the same time as Neo?

Some other observations later...

Here we go again...

Yeah but this time I think I have the answer-

You see the real world is only another Mat.....


I think the third movie could go in a couple directions. I also think it will go in some ways in a direction that is a bit unexpected


Of course maybe I am wrong again and Neo will walk out of a shower and tell Trinty about this real strange dream he just had

You had me until you said this..

Persephone said "..he was just like you.." MEANING..that he loved her (Persephone) he had passion for her just as Neo does for Trinity. If the Merovigian was a 'one' then why the hell would he have said "I have survived your predacessors, and I will survuve you." I really wish everyone would get off this already the Merovigian was not one of the previous 5 or however many there were.

Amen. Are people really this incapable of understanding simple sentences?

Merovingian a "One", Persephone the "Mother", sentinels as part of the Matrix. All this stuff is so obviously wrong. It's as bad as someone saying, "I think his name was really spelled Kneeo."

it's not that I don't understand simple sentences Spiky.. It's that I am smart enough to know that sentences can be interpreted in many different ways.

by saying "I have survived your predecessors" it could be that Merovigian is actually the first "one". .. and he no longer sees himself as a "one" (whatever that actually means) or sees himself as superior to the later "ones" and this is a way to separate himself from the others...

anyway, whatever. if you don't believe that's okay. Don't have to insult a man though.

Why state that there have been 5 other ones? what is the significance of that? is it just to match some crazy number scheme?

Nope. I don't think so.

IMO. It is to point to a character that is has been an "other" in the past. Maybe we shall meet this character in Revolutions but my money is that we met 'em already and his name is Merovigian.

To quote the Dread Pirate Roberts, "get used to disappointment."

But then, I am more inclined to agree with the MiaM "nonsense," so what do I know?

I didnt insult you, nor did Spiky so here are some more sentences you can interpet...

The following statement is true, the previous statement is false.

I dont agree with you.

This topic suxorz.

and so on...

Look I highly doubt the Merovingian was a previous one...if he were the first then that would mean his code was re-inserted so he would no longer exist.

that's alright zero, if you don't agree than don't agree.
I think some people might find it interesting... and have intelligent things to add.

Why would the first One be alive when the 5th is dead?

that is a good question and obviously Reloaded did not give much insight on this. I think the only clue that is given is Merovigian says "I have survived your predecessors"... which could be speculated to mean that he perhaps killed some of the previous 5. ( Assuming the previous 5 are dead. which I am not sure was stated.)

Why get so hung up on Merovigian being a "one" though? The key point in my theory is that Neo is human/program.. and that I think that Merovigian is similiar only his human body has expired. If it doesn't make sense to you to label him a previous One... than fine don't call him a "One".

I take it you dont know the meaning of the word contradiction?

Fine. Zero.

I've changed my sentence to more accurately convey what I meant:

Changed
to
I stand by my original statement. Yes. I think he is a previous One.

So Zero... what is your theory if mine is so wrong?

The Oracle: "..he is being held captive by a program one of the oldest of us, he is called the Merovingian"

Persephone:"..it was different when we first came here, he was different. He was just like you."

The Merovingian:"Mark my words boy, and mark them well..I have survived your predocessors, and I will survive you!"

The Architect:" The purpose of the One is to now return to the source reinserting the code you carry into the primary program."

All signs point to a renegade program not what you originally stated

But since your "theory" is so arguable you decided to contradict yourself by saying...

but again you did say this as well

[QOUTE]IMO. It is to point to a character that is has been an "other" in the past. Maybe we shall meet this character in Revolutions but my money is that we met 'em already and his name is Merovigian.[/QOUTE]

If your trying to say Neo is a human/program why didnt you say that in the first place? Make up your mind already dont jump from idea to idea just because you cant come up with a plausable reason for your logic, or lack there of. I dont have a theory, but if I did it would go something like this...

The Merovingian was a program.written to do what? Who the hell knows but he is now..as he says "a trafficer of information" Yeah he has power and with the keymaker he has more. Why? Because the One needs him to reach the source. Since Neo did not know this he was "powerless" to the Merovingian he had no reason to give up the keymaker. If Neo were to offer him something in return I would guess the Merovingian would have given him up for a deal. This very topic is covered in the game why not go play it. Persephone says that the Merovingian was like him (here ill type in caps so you can see it)

BECAUSE OF NEO'S LOVE FOR TRINITY. I can agree with Persephone needing to sample human emotion and she is an emulation of sorts that DOES make sense, but as for meeting previos "Ones" it doesnt work like that. That would be like saying Kid is the One and thats a can of worms I dont even wanna look at.

Well.. if you look at the thread starter...

..I did just that.

That hardly explains your "Theory" about the Merovingian.

In case you forgot or in case you try and re-edit so you make yourself right it was this...

Look. If I really gave 2 *****s about the freakin' Merovigian.. I would have started a thread titled "Merovigian is the first one"...
but really I don't. so I didn't.

My main point that I really wanted to convey is
That maybe "the one" really means a combination of man and Machine? and not the second coming of the messiah as the people of zion think.

I probably have done a bad job conveying this opinion but hey I'm a pretty intelligent guy when it comes to things not associated with spelling, grammar and keyboards.

Neo:"You still havent answered my question."

and remember you said this

It doesnt matter if your intelligent or not but you do have a hard time explaining yourself. Seems that when someone aregues your point you just kind of go "I didnt say that." This thread is no longer necessary, I think this thread is meant for one more thing...lockdown.

Re-read my first post. that is where I stand. I have never changed my opinion on that at all.

yes. I believe the Merovigian was a One... because I believe that the "one" might mean human/machine hybrid.. (has anything you said really disproven it?)

Anyway...In the second Post by Brain Stew:

it's obvious that at least one person can see my point.

Part of the fun with this movie is that there is something deeper going on that is only hinted at. It's meant to be talked about and for people to try to grasp what is happening. That is simply what I am trying to do... sorry if that rained on your day.

It's cool to have ideas but you keep changing your mind. You keep saying that the Merovingian is a previous one, but you add to the confusion by stating that the One is a human/program hybrid. That I get but why do you insist on the Merovingian being a previous One? Thats what is not making sense. And you did change your post the minute I pointed out where your logic failed to prove you right. This is the last time I reply here because this "discussion" is going no where.

but you did say this...

and this...

oh and dont forget this...this alone is the source of my arguement...

Yet you backtrack by saying...

You know come to think of it the thread title here doesnt even make any sense.

As I have been trying to say. Yes. I do believe Merovigian is a previous One. If you don't agree fine. No problem. I do not care...
I don't know of any way to explain it any better to you.



Maybe it should be renamed "Zero has a problem with Merovigian being a One and will go to extreme lengths to annoy someone that does."