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Movies you are suppost to root for the bad guys

What movies out there are you suppost to root for the bad guy. I've seen Pitch Black and Payback. Are there any other good ones.
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Payback.
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Pretty much anything written, produced, directed by Quentin Tarantino.

(Examples): True Romance, Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown, Reservoir Dogs...

Scarface, Donnie Brasco, Road To Perdition, Goodfellas, The Godfather Trilogy...

These are mostly crime dramas where the main characters are criminals (i.e. bad guys) but what they do is glorified and you're supposed to relate to them.

Maybe this well help, maybe it won't.
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Re: Movies you are suppost to root for the bad guys

Originally posted by csim
What movies out there are you suppost to root for the bad guy. I've seen Pitch Black and Payback. Are there any other good ones.
The problem I have with these two are the "bad guys" are only bad by reputation. They actually are the good guys in relation to the rest of the movie (more or less). I mean Vin Diesel in Pitch Black helps the people escape the alien predators. And although it's been a while since I've seen Payback, Mel Gibson is up against badder criminals who took from him.

When I think of rooting for the bad guys, I think of rooting for the people who do the bad things on screen and we still identify with them. Like:

A Clockwork Orange
Oceans' 11 (well many heist movies for that matter)
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Thomas Crown
Cool Hand Luke
O'Brother Where .....
Most movies with small time crooks trying to make that one last big hit before they retire
Fast and Furious
Italian Job...etc.....
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pitchblack was the first thing that came to mind.
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groucho that is what im talking about. the rock is a good example i mean Ed Harris only wants to do right what the american government covered up- great example so was oceans 11.

there is no bad guys in american pie
Hannibal example makes no sence either, why are you suppost to root for him.
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Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid

A true story movie on a family of train robbers; I forget the title.
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Originally posted by csim
Hannibal example makes no sence either, why are you suppost to root for him.
I didn't think Hannibal was portrayed in the second film like a scary boogie man like he was in the first. In the sequel he seemed almost charming and likeable. And the people he killed in "Hannibal" ranged from jerks you secretly wanted to see cannibalized
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(Ray Liotta)
to people who seemed even more grotesque and diabolical then he was
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(Gary Oldman)
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d'oh! I didn't realize Jericho had already named this. Apple-polly-ogies.

A Clockwork Orange

Alex is a psychopath, rapist, murderer, and thief. He's also charismatic, funny, honest, and carefree. Everyone else in his world are underhanded weasels, ruled by moral and social mores rather than free choice.

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Murder by Contract (1958)

A caught this little gem earlier this year. It features Vince Edwards (The Killing, Ben Casey) as a completely amoral hitman. There's no judgment of his character as he goes about building his reputation in the killing business. Even the Hays Code style ending keeps the moral ambiguity in check.

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I cant believe no one has said Usual Suspects yet. Oh well. I'll say it. Usual Suspects.
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In terms of horror movies:

I always felt the Cenobites in the Hellraiser series were kick ass.
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I always felt sorry for them when they were slaughtered at the end of the first movie.
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Young Guns
Young Guns II
Ocean's Eleven
The Italian Job
Entrapment
The Usual Suspects
The Score
Heist
Blood and Wine
Dracula 2000
From Dusk Till Dawn
Out of Sight
True Romance
Pulp Fiction
Natural Born Killers
Jackie Brown
Formula 51
The Thomas Crown Affair
Confidence
Deep Rising
Ghost Ship
Undisputed
Bugsy
Mobsters
GoodFellas
The Godfather
Buffalo Soldiers

Basically any gangster movie where the main character isn't looking to get out of the business, or any heist movie.

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Everyone might be split on it, since Pacino is in charge of the good guys, but for me at least, I was always pulling for the thieves in:

Heat
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I think one of the best movies to make you root for the same bad guys you disliked at the beginning was Face/Off. While it does have the whole plot of Travolta and Cage switching bodies, it's really effective later on when Castor Troy (in the body of Sean Archer) leads a blitzkrieg raid on a criminal hideout.
The people being raided are without a doubt bad guys, and you didn't really like them initially. Furthermore, the SWAT men doing the raid are on the same team you were rooting for at the film's start. However, the fact that the bad guys are more or less trying to protect a young kid while the lawmen are shooting everything in sight makes you want the bad guys to come out on top.

That said, I think it would be safe to say there weren't any real good guys in the traditional sense in Chicago. Every main character was out for his or herself except for John C. Reilly, and you saw what he got.
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Fight Club
Leon: The Professional
The Killer
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I was routing for Travolta in "Swordfish"
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Jericho knows the difference between good guys and bad guys. These are *always* relative to each other within the movie. Bonnie and Clyde are bad guys: they revel in terrorizing people, but I sympathize a little when they get slaughtered at the end. In Pitch Black, the bounty hunter is the bad guy; in True Romance, Christopher Walken is the bad guy; there are no good guys in The Godfather; I knew that
Spoiler:
Kevin Spacey was Keyser Soze
in The Usual Suspects twenty minutes in (based on "the Laura flaw" so the good guy/bad guy thing doesn't apply for me there); Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid are sweethearts; in Frankenstein (or better, Bride of), I sympathize with the monster; so just because the character is a criminal, thug, mob boss, gangster, robot, terminator, bug, mummy, hitman, mutant, vampire, cross-dresser, republican, president, evil genius etc., doesn't mean he's always the bad guy.......
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Originally posted by Rascal

A true story movie on a family of train robbers; I forget the title.
The Long Riders?

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