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will FIGHT CLUB ever make the AFI's prestigious TOP 100?
03-08-03, 03:27 AM
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will FIGHT CLUB ever make the AFI's prestigious TOP 100?
Y'all gotta admit this one is just getting BIGGER and BIGGER with every passing year,I must say it was quite overlook upon it's initial release...and the cult following for this one now is really ENOrmous!!
so will it ever get a spot in the AFI' top 100 ever? (as I'm not sure how often they make the poll. every 10 yrs. or so?).I mean what happens when the voting commitee enters their next-generation
of voters? and so on...I mean will we still see Citizen Kane as the number #1 movie in the year 2069 still? or does LOTR and the Matrix start to reign the charts?
Oh well,-I voted yes it should belong in the AFI's top100 in the future as I'm a fan of the film.
*P.S.-if you voted yes-then it'll be great if you can tell which movie Fight Club should perform a Lethal Swift kick to thwart it's buttocks outta the top100!
mines is Pulp Fiction or Fargo.
so will it ever get a spot in the AFI' top 100 ever? (as I'm not sure how often they make the poll. every 10 yrs. or so?).I mean what happens when the voting commitee enters their next-generation
of voters? and so on...I mean will we still see Citizen Kane as the number #1 movie in the year 2069 still? or does LOTR and the Matrix start to reign the charts?
Oh well,-I voted yes it should belong in the AFI's top100 in the future as I'm a fan of the film.
*P.S.-if you voted yes-then it'll be great if you can tell which movie Fight Club should perform a Lethal Swift kick to thwart it's buttocks outta the top100!
mines is Pulp Fiction or Fargo.
03-08-03, 05:16 AM
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It was over looked when it first was released because the advertisement for it was total crap. You have to admit that Fox did a bad job at promoting this film for what it was. Even with that bad ad campaign I still saw it opening day and I loved it. Now as for the whole AFI top 100... Who cares? The voting commitee doesn't "enter" a "next-generation" as you might believe, votes just keep on getting older and older films are still appreciated for what they were and how big they were in the certain time frame they were released. Like you mention... this is a sort of Cult classic.... Why not leave it at that? Truth be told, in 2069, Citizen Kane will still be #1 because you do realize it is Citizen Kane. I do not believe that a new wave of Voters will come in and proclaim that the newer films will out do or out shine the old classics.
03-08-03, 08:14 AM
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Originally posted by Patman
If I find a film really fun and great, I don't need the AFI stamp of approval to make it more fun and more great.
If I find a film really fun and great, I don't need the AFI stamp of approval to make it more fun and more great.
I still think it may someday make it into the top 100.
03-08-03, 09:49 AM
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Just out of curiosity, what movie(s) would you bump from the AFI list to make room for Fight Club?
Personally, I enjoy Fight Club; it’s an engrossing and well told story. How will it play 10, 20, or 30 years from now? I have no clue. History is a fickle mistress. Many works of art (in all media) debut with instant popularity only to gather dust in the footnotes of arcane academic texts. Others bow to polarizing hatred, yet grow in acclaim as years pass.
Mlos Forman makes this point eloquently in, Amadeus. Salieri, who once enjoyed contemporary success akin to the Backstreet Boys, lived to suffer the pain of fading from popular memory.
Is Fight Club a Salieri or a Mozart? Only time will tell.
Personally, I enjoy Fight Club; it’s an engrossing and well told story. How will it play 10, 20, or 30 years from now? I have no clue. History is a fickle mistress. Many works of art (in all media) debut with instant popularity only to gather dust in the footnotes of arcane academic texts. Others bow to polarizing hatred, yet grow in acclaim as years pass.
Mlos Forman makes this point eloquently in, Amadeus. Salieri, who once enjoyed contemporary success akin to the Backstreet Boys, lived to suffer the pain of fading from popular memory.
Is Fight Club a Salieri or a Mozart? Only time will tell.
03-08-03, 09:58 AM
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I doubt it will ever see that distinction. And why do you care at the end of the day, considering the dreck that populates that list. But irregardless, Fight Club is a flawed film, and most people that love it seem to be more in tune with the anti-commercialism/anti-establishment message than it standing on it's own as a film. The last 30 minutes of it are pretty shitty, but I won't go on and on about it, just my opinon. Starts off great, but wanes, and those AFI cockblockers love the big ending. And besides, look at this list, completely ridculous in many ways:
7. The Gradute (HUH???? A very good movie, top 25? Fine. 7th? Over some of those movies?
Other films slotted way too high:
Schindler's List 9th?
Singin in the Rain 10th?
Jaws 48th?
The Treasure of the Sierra Madre on the list? Ditto Fantasia, Amadeus, All Quiet on the Western Front, Stage Coach, Forrest Gump, The Deer Hunter, Guess Who's Coming To Dinner, Fargo and I could go on.
And don't forget the B.S. Technical achievement/historical slots for Birth of a Nation, King Kong, Snow White, The Jazz Singer, The Gold Rush, City Lights. All groundbreaking in someway, historically relevant, but not any where near what you'd call great in our modern world of film.
And how can you take any list seriously that says Goodfellas is the 94th Best American Movie ever made? And where is The Sting, The Conversation, The General(as long as we are doing old school awards, lets award something watchable), Glory? Hell, you could make a case for the Ox-bow Incident, Being There and Caddyshack, given this list. It's all a bunch of clowns living in L.A. picking this garbage, who'd never identify with Fight Club anyway, so I wouldn't get myself worked up about it's exclusion. The times will change, this list is way too thick with 1950's films, a decade most serious film people consider to be among the most underwhemlming decades in film, and a lot of stuff will fall down the list, good stuff will get overlooked, and the bias of the times will shift with the average birthyear of the voters. These lists mean nothing, the only list that means anything is YOUR list.
7. The Gradute (HUH???? A very good movie, top 25? Fine. 7th? Over some of those movies?
Other films slotted way too high:
Schindler's List 9th?
Singin in the Rain 10th?
Jaws 48th?
The Treasure of the Sierra Madre on the list? Ditto Fantasia, Amadeus, All Quiet on the Western Front, Stage Coach, Forrest Gump, The Deer Hunter, Guess Who's Coming To Dinner, Fargo and I could go on.
And don't forget the B.S. Technical achievement/historical slots for Birth of a Nation, King Kong, Snow White, The Jazz Singer, The Gold Rush, City Lights. All groundbreaking in someway, historically relevant, but not any where near what you'd call great in our modern world of film.
And how can you take any list seriously that says Goodfellas is the 94th Best American Movie ever made? And where is The Sting, The Conversation, The General(as long as we are doing old school awards, lets award something watchable), Glory? Hell, you could make a case for the Ox-bow Incident, Being There and Caddyshack, given this list. It's all a bunch of clowns living in L.A. picking this garbage, who'd never identify with Fight Club anyway, so I wouldn't get myself worked up about it's exclusion. The times will change, this list is way too thick with 1950's films, a decade most serious film people consider to be among the most underwhemlming decades in film, and a lot of stuff will fall down the list, good stuff will get overlooked, and the bias of the times will shift with the average birthyear of the voters. These lists mean nothing, the only list that means anything is YOUR list.
03-08-03, 10:23 AM
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The AFI listc ame out what, seven years ago? And Ibelieve in only included movies up through 1995 release dates. So sine there has been no update, I suspect Fight Club will have a hard time in making it.
03-08-03, 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by The Nature Boy
And don't forget the B.S. Technical achievement/historical slots for Birth of a Nation, King Kong, Snow White, The Jazz Singer, The Gold Rush, City Lights. All groundbreaking in someway, historically relevant, but not any where near what you'd call great in our modern world of film.
And don't forget the B.S. Technical achievement/historical slots for Birth of a Nation, King Kong, Snow White, The Jazz Singer, The Gold Rush, City Lights. All groundbreaking in someway, historically relevant, but not any where near what you'd call great in our modern world of film.
03-08-03, 10:42 AM
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Happy Gilmore is a great film, but that's beside the point.
But Fight Club won't make it because it's not really historical or a particularly great film, IMO.
On the other hand, something like Toy Story - the first computer-animated feature - will UNDOUBTEDLY make the list at some point. Of course, it takes time for these things to happen. Babe was nominated for Best Picture over Toy Story.
Anyhow, the first list was through 1996 films, but an updated list could (and should) take into account things released before that that didn't make the list.
Fight Club doesn't even make *my* top 400.
But Fight Club won't make it because it's not really historical or a particularly great film, IMO.
On the other hand, something like Toy Story - the first computer-animated feature - will UNDOUBTEDLY make the list at some point. Of course, it takes time for these things to happen. Babe was nominated for Best Picture over Toy Story.
Anyhow, the first list was through 1996 films, but an updated list could (and should) take into account things released before that that didn't make the list.
Fight Club doesn't even make *my* top 400.
03-08-03, 11:39 AM
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I don't see this film ever making a list like that. I don't see the true cineastes or film historians ever respecting it enough to include it on an AFI type list. I'm not saying it's a bad movie, I'm just saying that most of the voters on lists like that have a little more perspective than the average Joe Moviegoer, so they see the validity of all those "B.S. Technical Achievement/Historical" movies. I think Fight Club will always have a very loyal following simply b/c there will always be a very specific group of people, we'll say alienated twentysomethings, who the film really speaks to but who won't allow themselves to see how flawed it is.
03-08-03, 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by The Nature Boy
(snip)And how can you take any list seriously that says Goodfellas is the 94th Best American Movie ever made? And where is The Sting, The Conversation, The General(as long as we are doing old school awards, lets award something watchable), Glory? Hell, you could make a case for the Ox-bow Incident, Being There and Caddyshack, given this list. It's all a bunch of clowns living in L.A. picking this garbage, who'd never identify with Fight Club anyway, so I wouldn't get myself worked up about it's exclusion. The times will change, this list is way too thick with 1950's films, a decade most serious film people consider to be among the most underwhemlming decades in film, and a lot of stuff will fall down the list, good stuff will get overlooked, and the bias of the times will shift with the average birthyear of the voters. These lists mean nothing, the only list that means anything is YOUR list.
(snip)And how can you take any list seriously that says Goodfellas is the 94th Best American Movie ever made? And where is The Sting, The Conversation, The General(as long as we are doing old school awards, lets award something watchable), Glory? Hell, you could make a case for the Ox-bow Incident, Being There and Caddyshack, given this list. It's all a bunch of clowns living in L.A. picking this garbage, who'd never identify with Fight Club anyway, so I wouldn't get myself worked up about it's exclusion. The times will change, this list is way too thick with 1950's films, a decade most serious film people consider to be among the most underwhemlming decades in film, and a lot of stuff will fall down the list, good stuff will get overlooked, and the bias of the times will shift with the average birthyear of the voters. These lists mean nothing, the only list that means anything is YOUR list.
A work may be considered “great” for any number of reasons: style, technique, innovation, theme, etc. Just because scholars or critics or historians consider a work of art to be “great” or “classic” does not mean every person will enjoy that work. A single individual’s view point, however, does not diminish the status, importance, or relevance of these artistic achievements. I personally do not care for the writings of Emily Bronte; I HATED Wuthering Heights. Yet, I don’t regret the time I spent reading it and while I didn’t like Wuthering Heights, I can understand why the novel is considered a classic and remains required reading in so many literature programs.
Conversely, simply because I or you like something does not make it an enduring work of art—this status takes time, perspective, and to some extent consensus. I enjoy reading Michael Crichton; his novels are fun and exciting. Will he ever make a list of the worlds most important authors? Never.
Bottom line: I think lists like AFI’s serve a worthwhile purpose—they recognize important achievements and, more importantly, these lists expose people to works they might otherwise overlook.
03-08-03, 02:01 PM
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I liked it ok i guess, but there's no way in hell it would make that list, or should. It appeals to young white males overloaded with testosterone, but that's about it. Passable entertainment that is nowhere near deserving of the acclaim some heap on it. It panders to the lowest common denominator in humanity, and thus succeeds brilliantly at reminding us that we are little more than horomone driven automotons deep down, but doesn't do much more than that.
I've always found it interesting that a film which posits a certifiably insane whackjob as it's antihero - and then proceeds to illustrate how said whackjob can get a horde of followers to mindlessly wreak havoc upon society - could appeal to so many people. Insert David Koresh into the lead role and you might well have the same damn story. Ultimately I think that FCs success serves as a rather troubling barometer of our society's ills - road rage, mistrust, and fear reign these days....so tell me again why a movie that celebrates that is so F*ing cool?
I've always found it interesting that a film which posits a certifiably insane whackjob as it's antihero - and then proceeds to illustrate how said whackjob can get a horde of followers to mindlessly wreak havoc upon society - could appeal to so many people. Insert David Koresh into the lead role and you might well have the same damn story. Ultimately I think that FCs success serves as a rather troubling barometer of our society's ills - road rage, mistrust, and fear reign these days....so tell me again why a movie that celebrates that is so F*ing cool?
03-08-03, 03:40 PM
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I find it kind of amusing when people attempt to marginalize a movie by labeling fans with less than flattering descriptions. Here we’ve got: alienated twentysomethings, who the film really speaks to but who won't allow themselves to see how flawed it is (good one, btw) and young white males overloaded with testosterone to mention a few. Even if these statements were true, it’s a little like attacking Cinderella because children enjoy it.
Is it really that difficult to discuss the pros and cons of a movie without impugning fans?
Is it really that difficult to discuss the pros and cons of a movie without impugning fans?
03-08-03, 04:03 PM
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Originally posted by audrey
I find it kind of amusing when people attempt to marginalize a movie by labeling fans with less than flattering descriptions. Here we’ve got: alienated twentysomethings, who the film really speaks to but who won't allow themselves to see how flawed it is (good one, btw) and young white males overloaded with testosterone to mention a few. Even if these statements were true, it’s a little like attacking Cinderella because children enjoy it.
Is it really that difficult to discuss the pros and cons of a movie without impugning fans?
I find it kind of amusing when people attempt to marginalize a movie by labeling fans with less than flattering descriptions. Here we’ve got: alienated twentysomethings, who the film really speaks to but who won't allow themselves to see how flawed it is (good one, btw) and young white males overloaded with testosterone to mention a few. Even if these statements were true, it’s a little like attacking Cinderella because children enjoy it.
Is it really that difficult to discuss the pros and cons of a movie without impugning fans?
03-08-03, 04:20 PM
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But Fight Club won't make it because it's not really historical or a particularly great film, IMO.
And how can you take any list seriously that says Goodfellas is the 94th Best American Movie ever made? And where is The Sting, The Conversation, The General(as long as we are doing old school awards, lets award something watchable), Glory? Hell, you could make a case for the Ox-bow Incident, Being There and Caddyshack, given this list. It's all a bunch of clowns living in L.A. picking this garbage, who'd never identify with Fight Club anyway, so I wouldn't get myself worked up about it's exclusion.
And no, Caddyshack doesn't belong on that list.
