Movie Talk A Discussion area for everything movie related including films In The Theaters

Why didn't I like Minority Report?

Old 02-24-03, 07:18 PM
  #1  
DVD Talk Special Edition
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,545
Why didn't I like Minority Report?

I can't quite put my finger on it.

It was a gorgeous film (lighting and cinematography), it was well cast and populated with interesting characters, I enjoyed the technology in it, it was plot twisty (I like twisty), but I ended up with a blah feeling towards it.

The only things that come to mind are the jarring elements: plot holes/devices and truly out of place hokey dialog the ejected me from the film. I've just started reading the debate on whether or not the ending was
Spoiler:
a dream
and while that may or may not help the film overall, it doesn't remove the blah from my experience.

Anyone else have a similar experience with it?
CheapBastid is offline  
Old 02-24-03, 07:34 PM
  #2  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Ummm... Paper Street?
Posts: 923
You didn't like it 'cuz it sucks.

I thought it was pretty good overall, but there were things about it that made me feel dissatisfied.

Spoiler:
How could he have clearence to enter the facility again? This was, what, a day or two after he was charged with the murder? Wouldn't the database have been alerted of this?

The ending was dull too, IMO. Max Von Sydow (can't remember the character's name at the moment) could either shoot Anderton and be arrested while pre-crime continues, or he could NOT shoot him and not be arrested but Pre-Crime would be shut down. And he chooses to shoot himself, killing himself and the future of Pre-Crime. He has two win-lose choices and chooses the lose-lose. Hmmmmmm.........)
PaperStreetSoapCo is offline  
Old 02-24-03, 07:39 PM
  #3  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 284
It was hard to watch the movie from the very beginning, everything that was going on with the pre-crime, would never be allowed to happen. And spielburg has got to lay off the melodrama.

It is a watchable movie, but the majority of it was unnecessary.
gondorspit is offline  
Old 02-24-03, 07:40 PM
  #4  
DVD Talk Special Edition
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,545
Originally posted by PaperStreetSoapCo
You didn't like it 'cuz it sucks.
The thing is my wife was very interested in seeing the film, as she had read nothing but glowing reviews for the film (and a friend worked as an art director). I forgot that it was "the film that reviewers couldn't hate" so I can't blame high expectations on my blah outcome.

The stuff in your spoiler box bugged me but not hugely. I guess it comes down to the large number of plot holes/devices that added up to an ultimately unsatisfactory experience.

Kind of a bummer, because it was a neat looking film with an interesting story.
CheapBastid is offline  
Old 02-24-03, 07:52 PM
  #5  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 1,851
I found that the more I watch it the more I make connections and fill in plot holes that may or may not be there.
Anyway, the more I watch it, the more it makes sense, and the more I like it. I can't really explain why that is. Maybe I'm trying too hard to like it. I don't know.
greatjedi is offline  
Old 02-24-03, 09:52 PM
  #6  
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Mouthweathercity, IL.
Posts: 3,521
I liked it, it was the ending that moved the film experience from a 10/10 to a 8/10 and that pissed me off.
DVD Smurf is offline  
Old 02-24-03, 11:07 PM
  #7  
DVD Talk Godfather
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: City of the lakers.. riots.. and drug dealing cops.. los(t) Angel(e)s. ca.
Posts: 54,199
Why didn't you like it?

My friend, You are the only one that can answer that.

I enjoyed it.
Jackskeleton is offline  
Old 02-24-03, 11:35 PM
  #8  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Honolulu, Hawaii
Posts: 1,831
If you are going into a film looking for plot holes, then you will definitely not like the movie.

I enjoyed "Minority Report" for what it is worth.
jarofclay73 is offline  
Old 02-24-03, 11:52 PM
  #9  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Wichita, KS
Posts: 7,317
I thought it was well worth the money. Actually I enjoyed it a TON.
edytwinky is offline  
Old 02-25-03, 01:07 AM
  #10  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Posts: 2,041
HmmmmÖ.I thought Minority Report was easily Spielbergís best movie in agesÖthe set design and cinematography brought to life a believable and compelling universe, rich in detail and texture. The characters were well developed, almost multi-dimensional. And the story held my interest. Like Saving Private Ryan, I sat enthralled for the first 20 minutes or so as Spielberg established the premise and set the tempo. I was hooked. But by the end, I felt cold, unsatisfied; wishing someone else directed the feature.

Beyond the plot holes a number of things bothered me.
Spoiler:

ē The sappy and unnecessary side story concerning the loss of Andertonís son. If I hadnít been treated to this same plot device in AI maybe it would have worked. Instead, it seemed like short hand to develop instant sympathy for Andertonís character.
ē Product placement. When used sparingly familiar products can make a futurescape more realistic as in 2001 and Bladerunner. Here, however, the sheer quantity of products overwhelmed and annoyed me.
ē The comic relief didnít work for me; e.g. the scene where Anderton chased his eyes thru the alley took me completely out of the movie.
ē The chase scene just went on and on and on. Compounding the excessive length, the action looked contrived and unrealistic. I didnít believe for one second that Anderton was jumping from those cars---it reminded me of the arcade game, Frogger.
ē The score. While not as heavy handed as some of John Williamsí prior work, the Boston Pops style music often played at odds with the visual imagery.
ē The ending. I HATED the ending. And not because it was a complete rejection of PKDís vision; rather, because Spielberg didnít sell it to me with sufficient skill.

Believe me; I want to like this movie. Iíve seen it 3 times; sadly, I canít and doubt I ever will.
audrey is offline  
Old 02-25-03, 02:24 AM
  #11  
Fok
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Fok's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Canada, BC
Posts: 6,689
I thought it was a good movie, just should of ended 20 minutes earlier. It seemed to drag towards the end.
Fok is offline  
Old 02-25-03, 07:49 AM
  #12  
Cool New Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Posts: 26
I liked it. One of the best movies from 2002. Been watching the DVD over and over recently.

Movies bound to have some plot holes, you just gotta live with it somehow. I just liked the art design and how it was prsented in the movie...so immersive. And the track that plays whenever Anderton thinks about his son is great, its cold and melancolic.
Hero Hua is offline  
Old 02-25-03, 07:54 AM
  #13  
Moderator
 
Groucho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
Posts: 70,829
One thing I've noticed about this forum: if somebody doesn't like a film, they'll nitpick the plot holes to death. But if they enjoyed it, they're more than willing to overlook them. And sometimes folks WANT to hate movie because of who's involved, so they go in with a checklist and try to pull out as many holes as possible to pick at.
Groucho is offline  
Old 02-25-03, 11:36 AM
  #14  
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 3,619
Originally posted by Groucho
One thing I've noticed about this forum: if somebody doesn't like a film, they'll nitpick the plot holes to death. But if they enjoyed it, they're more than willing to overlook them. And sometimes folks WANT to hate movie because of who's involved, so they go in with a checklist and try to pull out as many holes as possible to pick at.
You're absolutely right about this Groucho. People on the forum seem to be either overly critical or willing to overlook anything. Was Minority Report perfect? No, it wasn't. There were definitely things I would've changed about it (including the ending). However, it was also one of the more ambitious and enjoyable mainstream Hollywood flicks I saw last year.
Gdrlv is offline  
Old 02-25-03, 11:45 AM
  #15  
DVD Talk Special Edition
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,545
Originally posted by Groucho
One thing I've noticed about this forum: if somebody doesn't like a film, they'll nitpick the plot holes to death. But if they enjoyed it, they're more than willing to overlook them. And sometimes folks WANT to hate movie because of who's involved, so they go in with a checklist and try to pull out as many holes as possible to pick at.
But that's the thing. I really wanted to like it. As I said, I loved the look, I liked the actors, I liked the characters, but in the end I feld like I'd wasted my time on the movie and I'm a bit upset that I feel that way. To clarify, I'm not upset that the movie dissapointed, but I'm upset at my inability to just enjoy the film. I'm still unclear on why I can't seem to do that.
CheapBastid is offline  
Old 02-25-03, 11:57 AM
  #16  
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 4,681
I didn't go in with an axe to grind against SS or TC, I don't care much about the plot holes, and I really enjoyed it for a long time. But the ending RUINED this movie for me. If you're a believer in the
Spoiler:
ending was a dream theory
, I think you're projecting the ending you wanted onto the pedestrian ending we get. I repeat, it RUINED this movie for me.
Meatpants is offline  
Old 02-25-03, 12:07 PM
  #17  
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: "Sitting on a beach, earning 20%"
Posts: 6,154
Groucho, I agree 100%.

The thing is, there's nothing wrong with being really critical, I'm really critical and there's a lot of films I object to, but I would never use a checklist of plot holes as my explanation of why I didn't like the film. Yet people do this all the time. If you're not going to like the film you need better reasons as to why you didn't like it than it defyed some law of physics. Over in a thread about Starship Troopers some guy said he hated the movie because he objected to the millitary strategy, that the ships would never align themselves w/ the planet with their hulls exposed or some stupid s**t. And THATS why he didn't like the film. Now that's just silly. It might indeed be a bad film, but that's not why it's bad.
Pants is offline  
Old 02-25-03, 12:30 PM
  #18  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Johnny Zhivago's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Korova Milkbar
Posts: 5,435
Re: Why didn't I like Minority Report?

Originally posted by CheapBastid
The only things that come to mind are the jarring elements: plot holes/devices and truly out of place hokey dialog the ejected me from the film. I've just started reading the debate on whether or not the ending was
Spoiler:
a dream
and while that may or may not help the film overall, it doesn't remove the blah from my experience.
I'd say you pretty much nailed it... To this I would add that Spielberg's typical tame ending and plot twist that you could see coming a mile away pretty much killed this film.
Johnny Zhivago is offline  
Old 02-25-03, 01:55 PM
  #19  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: NJ
Posts: 486
Can anybody elaborate what the ending in the PKD Novel was?
Hobgoblin is offline  
Old 02-25-03, 02:01 PM
  #20  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Posts: 2,041
Originally posted by Groucho
One thing I've noticed about this forum: if somebody doesn't like a film, they'll nitpick the plot holes to death. But if they enjoyed it, they're more than willing to overlook them. And sometimes folks WANT to hate movie because of who's involved, so they go in with a checklist and try to pull out as many holes as possible to pick at.
I donít doubt that what you describe sometimes takes place. We all carry bias and preconceived notions into the theater. I know that when I am truly engaged by a movie I seldom notice minor plot holes or inconsistencies as they occur--Iím too involved in the story, too invested in the characters to care. I experience the movie in real time. But when a movie fails to win me over, my mind wanders--I analyze the plot, think about the dialog, or wonder what will happen next. I become much more critical and less tolerant.

I also realize that movies have but a few short minutes to capture oneís attention. Mood, attitude, and other factors can play a role in oneís experience. That is why, if a movie has any redeeming qualities at all, I will usually watch it again to see if another day will different yield result.
audrey is offline  
Old 02-25-03, 09:41 PM
  #21  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Lower Gum Curve
Posts: 19,038
I liked it, but I could have lived without the square-up reel at the end. Not every story deserves to have a standard hollywood ending.

I saw nothing whatsoever to suggest that
Spoiler:
the ending was a dream
Jason is offline  
Old 02-25-03, 09:51 PM
  #22  
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: NYC * See da name? Go get me some coffee...
Posts: 4,665
people just love to over analyze Spielberg's endings....AI and Minority Report.
Get Me Coffee is offline  
Old 02-25-03, 11:20 PM
  #23  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Flava-Country!
Posts: 3,964
In my case it's not so much that I didnt like the movie - it was an ok rental at best. For me it more the fact that the last good rollercoaster movie that Spielberg has done was Jurassic Park. Winning the Schindlers List oscar and having kids has dulled his edge.

Stack his 90's work up against his 70's and 80's work. Jaws vs AI. Close Encounters vs Minority Report. Hell - even a dud like 1941 and/or Temple of Doom against his modern stuff stacks up hundreds of times better. It's like he goes with the 'safe' movies now, that he's lost the Eye of the Tiger.

It makes me wish that Duel would come out on disc that much sooner.

Last edited by El-Kabong; 02-25-03 at 11:24 PM.
El-Kabong is offline  
Old 02-26-03, 12:44 PM
  #24  
DVD Talk Hero
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Duluth, GA, USA
Posts: 37,782
The first plot hole cited is not a plot hole:

Spoiler:
The reason Anderton has his clearance intact is because you have to assume that Lamar kept it active because he has the access to do so to trap Anderton within the building.


And the ending is IMHO:

Spoiler:

a dream after Anderton gets hooked up like all the other criminals in incarceration, just listen to what the jailer-dude says. Please note the ending is very much a simplistic Scooby Doo dreamlike conclusion where everything just falls in place.
Patman is offline  
Old 02-26-03, 01:55 PM
  #25  
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Inyurvyj, Eina
Posts: 4,405
I went in expecting a fun, entertaining movie with a relatively interesting plot, not a "Spielberg masterpiece". I think that's why I enjoyed it a lot, and would have otherwise been disappointed.
tha_dvd_man is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.