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The first review of The Two Towers is here
Here we go folks! The first review of The Two Towers
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Torben, The Sinful Dwarf Provides The First Real TWO TOWERS Review
Hey folks, Harry here... The first at large screening took place tonight in Los Angeles as an Academy Screening. That let out a couple of hours ago, and this is the first review to come in regarding THE TWO TOWERS. It is extremely positive with a couple of nitpicks that ultimately did not ruin the film for him. So the reward for first review goes to a spy I'm calling Torben, The Sinful Dwarf!
TWO TOWERS:
I'm writing less of a review than a compendium to the gushing reviews you should be receiving about now. Key question, is it better than FELLOWSHIP OF THE RINGS. Nope. But it is its equal and for me, that is a profound compliment.
For I cannot think of a single film trilogy where I have been fully satisfied with every installment. Even with the STAR WARS or the GODFATHER, the series would be irregular with their quality. I felt these were a series of films, not one complete epic film (except GODFATHER I & II are a complete movie). Pieces may be great, but it feels like an assortment of different flavors. With TWO TOWERS, it feels like a puzzle piece that clicks completely together with FELLOWSHIP OF THE RINGS. For once, I believe that we could have a popular genre movie series that feels like one complete story.
What has impresses me specifically with the film is that it increases the scope, but never loses the human element of the story. Like the first film, TOWERS ends on a character note as opposed to a cliffhanger moment. I think that Jackson has improved the story of the books and has given Middle Earth a tangible place. Not just in technical details like the siege ladders that attach themselves to the walls of Helm's Deep to the ghostly faces lurking in the waters of the Dead Marches. Or in the fact that he actual bothers to actively show events that are told in flashback in the books. Or the great Weta Effects work (The Ents in action will thrill many many a fan out there). But it lies in the characters.
I went in thinking that Gollum was going to be a photo-realistic character. And set up with the proper expectations, he isn't completely 'realistic.' The technology isn't quite there yet. But me and my associate at the movie agreed he is without a doubt the most believable CGI character seen in a live action movie. He's a true person and not a gimmick. No distracting flourishes or irritating "look at me's." And it makes a difference with the effects. There plenty of subtle moments in the movie that will take you breathe away. Gollum's internal conflict over his love for his precious is beautifully externalized in a scene that kicks the ass of a similar one in SPIDER-MAN.
The movie is not perfect and I want to specifically note the parts that are not to set proper expectations. Several scenes with Elrond and Arwen are fairly redundant and seem to be in there only to remind the audience that they're there. Not that they shouldnít be in the movie, but good scripting could have combined their bits into one great scene. And thereís some sloppy plotting with the Ent subplot and the …owyn/Aragorn romance is unnecessary. Not that Miranda Otto is bad, but when you have the fate of Middle Earth on your shoulders, you've got no time for an additional love triangle.
But for these few little things I have pointed out, there are many more that will awe you with wonder. This is the real deal folks. Get excited, because warts and all, TWO TOWERS is another piece of a classic.
Torben, The Sinful Dwarf
Hey folks, Harry here... The first at large screening took place tonight in Los Angeles as an Academy Screening. That let out a couple of hours ago, and this is the first review to come in regarding THE TWO TOWERS. It is extremely positive with a couple of nitpicks that ultimately did not ruin the film for him. So the reward for first review goes to a spy I'm calling Torben, The Sinful Dwarf!
TWO TOWERS:
I'm writing less of a review than a compendium to the gushing reviews you should be receiving about now. Key question, is it better than FELLOWSHIP OF THE RINGS. Nope. But it is its equal and for me, that is a profound compliment.
For I cannot think of a single film trilogy where I have been fully satisfied with every installment. Even with the STAR WARS or the GODFATHER, the series would be irregular with their quality. I felt these were a series of films, not one complete epic film (except GODFATHER I & II are a complete movie). Pieces may be great, but it feels like an assortment of different flavors. With TWO TOWERS, it feels like a puzzle piece that clicks completely together with FELLOWSHIP OF THE RINGS. For once, I believe that we could have a popular genre movie series that feels like one complete story.
What has impresses me specifically with the film is that it increases the scope, but never loses the human element of the story. Like the first film, TOWERS ends on a character note as opposed to a cliffhanger moment. I think that Jackson has improved the story of the books and has given Middle Earth a tangible place. Not just in technical details like the siege ladders that attach themselves to the walls of Helm's Deep to the ghostly faces lurking in the waters of the Dead Marches. Or in the fact that he actual bothers to actively show events that are told in flashback in the books. Or the great Weta Effects work (The Ents in action will thrill many many a fan out there). But it lies in the characters.
I went in thinking that Gollum was going to be a photo-realistic character. And set up with the proper expectations, he isn't completely 'realistic.' The technology isn't quite there yet. But me and my associate at the movie agreed he is without a doubt the most believable CGI character seen in a live action movie. He's a true person and not a gimmick. No distracting flourishes or irritating "look at me's." And it makes a difference with the effects. There plenty of subtle moments in the movie that will take you breathe away. Gollum's internal conflict over his love for his precious is beautifully externalized in a scene that kicks the ass of a similar one in SPIDER-MAN.
The movie is not perfect and I want to specifically note the parts that are not to set proper expectations. Several scenes with Elrond and Arwen are fairly redundant and seem to be in there only to remind the audience that they're there. Not that they shouldnít be in the movie, but good scripting could have combined their bits into one great scene. And thereís some sloppy plotting with the Ent subplot and the …owyn/Aragorn romance is unnecessary. Not that Miranda Otto is bad, but when you have the fate of Middle Earth on your shoulders, you've got no time for an additional love triangle.
But for these few little things I have pointed out, there are many more that will awe you with wonder. This is the real deal folks. Get excited, because warts and all, TWO TOWERS is another piece of a classic.
Torben, The Sinful Dwarf
12-02-02 | 07:33 AM
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The guy who gave the review was answering questions in the talkbalk before the "trolls" have a chance to crap over everything.
Here are some answers: (slight spoilers)
There is nothing dubious about my review...or that the first shot of the movie is
Or that the shot of Liv tyler running up the stairs is not in the movie. Or that there is something Legalos does with a horse that will make you **** yourself. Or that the Helm's Deep is intercut with other scenes, which is why people keep saying it is 45 minutes long. Or that the last shot of the movie ends on Mordor, only much much closer to it. I just don't like to cram my comments with spoilers, especially when there is a lot to be surprised by with the movie.
Okay, here's some more...I want you to get the impression of the film, not spoil the WHOLE thing. I guess you wanted more, I tried to get it in quickly so you'd have something... okay HELMS DEEP is a solid, great sequence. I like the Cave Troll attack better, but this is a different kind of battle. What's great about it is the sense of hopelessness of it. That the odds are so great against them. That they are fighting with old men and boys (like meantioned in the book). There's a great moment in the moment where " the first stone is cast" so to say. Like the first film, Jackson has a way to make action seem kinetic and exciting without being confusing. There's a great fight sequence that you've only seen a shot or two from the trailers (Legolas on a rock watching rides approach and the shot of the dogbeast attacking). In fact there's more action in this movie than in the book which made a friend that was with me much happier with this film than FOTR (he didn't like it much). And for the record, I LOVE FOTR. (more to come)
and more....I don't want people to think I didn't like Gollum, I thought Gollum is one of the greatest CGI characters EVER MADE. That is not a mild compliment. He's wonderful and you are going to be thrilled with him (in fact the climax of the movie is about him, but not as BIG of a moment as you think. It is a small character moment, hinted at in the book that here, Makes him a truly interesting character. In fact, I've always felt the books were thin on characterization and the films have just fleshed these people out. Like how the first film had Boromir, Pippin and Merry more interesting, Gollum equally has be brought to real life. He was easily the most liked character at the screening from audience reactions. Second was Ghimli, who has most of the comic relief in this film. The supporting characters aren't as well flesh out, due to the fact that they are competing with screen time with our already abundant cast, but even at their worst, they service the story well. Wormtongue was Brad Dourif, or was it the other way around, but he stands out the most, though Bernard Hill is great before and after his Rejuvenation. Maybe people will be impressed with the love triangle, but I was unmoved (and I like what they did in the last film with it a lot). The Ents, like Gollum, don't look photo real, but they are wonderful fluid. When I say not completely real, I mean real reality. And they fit in perfectly with the consistent fantasy reality that the series has established. And there are some great new vistas:
Forgive me if my LOTR spellings aren’t correct, I’m not spending time cross-referencing them. Also, ask me questions. One.) the voice scene is not in, we don’t get that far in the story. Remember what Jackson said about the film's structure? Two.) Stickman, Yes. Three.) A New Line plant? don’t even start that, because I’m even listening. I want to give a fair level headed reaction to the piece before the over-praising and backlashing comes in. oh, "and don't tell the Elf."
The movie doesn't get to the post-Helm's Deep stuff. It doesn't avoid them, it simply doesn't get to them. There's plenty going on to end the movie (and there's a whole subplot that is different from the book that I refuse to take about). But it is emotionally satisfying to end that way. Aragorn come across similar to the first film, a leader of men both a bad ass and a real human with real emotions. He really doesn't change as a character and if you liked him in the first film, you'll like more him here (because he gets more to do). Eomer's performance is strong without overacting. He?s not as important as Theoden, thus doesn't have as much scene time as him, but he makes a strong impression.
Quick answers on our cast. We do see the power struggle inbetween the breeds of Orcs, in fact it has been condensed beautifully and made organic to the story (fans will notice it non-fans won't - which is the way it should be). Gandalf the White is different from Grey in that he is more sure of himself, sure of his power and ready to take on evil. Otherwise he still has the same sense of sly humor that makes him lovable. Remember, he does A LOT of running around in this one, so mostly he's serious. Legolas and Gimli's "friendship" is non-verbally there and they do have their competition at Helm's Deep. As for Gimli being comic relief, what if your comic relief had a hug axe and fells dozens of Orcs? That's a pretty cool comic relief. Again, I'm trying to be careful not to reveal big surprises, so I'm avoiding some questions. I simply trying to reassure you that what you want is there, because this is not as faithful as FOTR, but that makes it no less as good. But I will make this clear so that this question cease,
As for other's reaction, it's an industry screening and it is always hard to judge them. But from what I know it was a good reaction. But people were excited to be there and people laughed at jokes referring to the other films, but it is not the same as being with a real public audience. An audience that paid to see it, that will be making a lot more noise than these people.
Here are some answers: (slight spoilers)
There is nothing dubious about my review...or that the first shot of the movie is
Spoiler:
Okay, here's some more...I want you to get the impression of the film, not spoil the WHOLE thing. I guess you wanted more, I tried to get it in quickly so you'd have something... okay HELMS DEEP is a solid, great sequence. I like the Cave Troll attack better, but this is a different kind of battle. What's great about it is the sense of hopelessness of it. That the odds are so great against them. That they are fighting with old men and boys (like meantioned in the book). There's a great moment in the moment where " the first stone is cast" so to say. Like the first film, Jackson has a way to make action seem kinetic and exciting without being confusing. There's a great fight sequence that you've only seen a shot or two from the trailers (Legolas on a rock watching rides approach and the shot of the dogbeast attacking). In fact there's more action in this movie than in the book which made a friend that was with me much happier with this film than FOTR (he didn't like it much). And for the record, I LOVE FOTR. (more to come)
and more....I don't want people to think I didn't like Gollum, I thought Gollum is one of the greatest CGI characters EVER MADE. That is not a mild compliment. He's wonderful and you are going to be thrilled with him (in fact the climax of the movie is about him, but not as BIG of a moment as you think. It is a small character moment, hinted at in the book that here, Makes him a truly interesting character. In fact, I've always felt the books were thin on characterization and the films have just fleshed these people out. Like how the first film had Boromir, Pippin and Merry more interesting, Gollum equally has be brought to real life. He was easily the most liked character at the screening from audience reactions. Second was Ghimli, who has most of the comic relief in this film. The supporting characters aren't as well flesh out, due to the fact that they are competing with screen time with our already abundant cast, but even at their worst, they service the story well. Wormtongue was Brad Dourif, or was it the other way around, but he stands out the most, though Bernard Hill is great before and after his Rejuvenation. Maybe people will be impressed with the love triangle, but I was unmoved (and I like what they did in the last film with it a lot). The Ents, like Gollum, don't look photo real, but they are wonderful fluid. When I say not completely real, I mean real reality. And they fit in perfectly with the consistent fantasy reality that the series has established. And there are some great new vistas:
Spoiler:
The movie doesn't get to the post-Helm's Deep stuff. It doesn't avoid them, it simply doesn't get to them. There's plenty going on to end the movie (and there's a whole subplot that is different from the book that I refuse to take about). But it is emotionally satisfying to end that way. Aragorn come across similar to the first film, a leader of men both a bad ass and a real human with real emotions. He really doesn't change as a character and if you liked him in the first film, you'll like more him here (because he gets more to do). Eomer's performance is strong without overacting. He?s not as important as Theoden, thus doesn't have as much scene time as him, but he makes a strong impression.
Spoiler:
Quick answers on our cast. We do see the power struggle inbetween the breeds of Orcs, in fact it has been condensed beautifully and made organic to the story (fans will notice it non-fans won't - which is the way it should be). Gandalf the White is different from Grey in that he is more sure of himself, sure of his power and ready to take on evil. Otherwise he still has the same sense of sly humor that makes him lovable. Remember, he does A LOT of running around in this one, so mostly he's serious. Legolas and Gimli's "friendship" is non-verbally there and they do have their competition at Helm's Deep. As for Gimli being comic relief, what if your comic relief had a hug axe and fells dozens of Orcs? That's a pretty cool comic relief. Again, I'm trying to be careful not to reveal big surprises, so I'm avoiding some questions. I simply trying to reassure you that what you want is there, because this is not as faithful as FOTR, but that makes it no less as good. But I will make this clear so that this question cease,
Spoiler:
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Beware of the Lights out entertainment review if you want to be suprised by what PJ does with the material. It contains MAJOR spoilers, basically explaining the whole plot, details and all. It's the one that starts off with "A true cinematic masterpiece" five star review. I kinda wished I didn't read this one.
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12-02-02 | 09:31 AM
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Gack! So hard not to read more. I am so hot to see this movie, But I refuse to spoil this one, like I did with AOTC. I read the books, but that was 18 years ago, so its faded into mist.
12-02-02 | 11:22 AM
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They're very positive, that's all I need to know. 
Just like FOTR, I'm sure I will need 2-3 viewings before I can accept the movie as its own entity with the changes from the books and love it like family.
Just like FOTR, I'm sure I will need 2-3 viewings before I can accept the movie as its own entity with the changes from the books and love it like family.
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Originally posted by Jepthah
They're very positive, that's all I need to know.
Just like FOTR, I'm sure I will need 2-3 viewings before I can accept the movie as its own entity with the changes from the books and love it like family.
They're very positive, that's all I need to know.
Just like FOTR, I'm sure I will need 2-3 viewings before I can accept the movie as its own entity with the changes from the books and love it like family.
This was a most unusual phenomena.... Took until the third viewing until I was "comfortable" with it as a separate work of art....
12-03-02 | 04:40 PM
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just saw TT this morning at a small sneak peak here in d.c. only about 20 people in the old uptown theatre (with curved screen) ...it was the perfect way to see this amazing film! we were given paper to record our thoughts and reactions and all i could do was praise it. for one, the battle scenes were unbelivable, i was literally on the edge of my seat in disbelief. the cinematography was breathtaking and i was most impressed with the way gollum was handled! i think it's the first time i've seen something CGI that didnt look like it was obviously CGI.
bravo for the entire thing! you all are gonna be stunned when you finally see it!
bravo for the entire thing! you all are gonna be stunned when you finally see it!
12-03-02 | 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by Rypro 525
how long is the battle scene? is it all at once, or is in a series of parts?
how long is the battle scene? is it all at once, or is in a series of parts?
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Hey guys. Sorry to be a nuisance. I really don't want ANY spoilers. I've even held off on reading the trilogy because I want the remaining to films to be as amazing as the first was for me. How many reviews have their been and have they all been VERY POSITIVE?
How about the lucky hgar, what would you rate the movie from 1-100. How much did you like FotR? Please no spoilers. Please provide any info you can.
Oh, another question. Is TT opening in most cities at midnight on Tuesday, the 17th? What do you think the chances of a 25,000 people town that opened Star Wars at midnight would open TT at midnight are?
Thanks!
How about the lucky hgar, what would you rate the movie from 1-100. How much did you like FotR? Please no spoilers. Please provide any info you can.
Oh, another question. Is TT opening in most cities at midnight on Tuesday, the 17th? What do you think the chances of a 25,000 people town that opened Star Wars at midnight would open TT at midnight are?
Thanks!
12-04-02 | 09:35 AM
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Been real anxious to use my free ticket from the Collectors edition box. Its gonna be a great week between watching TT and Star Trek-Insurrection !!
Been real anxious to use my free ticket from the Collectors edition box. Its gonna be a great week between watching TT and Star Trek-Insurrection !!
You mean Nemesis of course!
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Originally posted by apemanttt
How about the lucky hgar, what would you rate the movie from 1-100. How much did you like FotR? Please no spoilers. Please provide any info you can.
Thanks!
How about the lucky hgar, what would you rate the movie from 1-100. How much did you like FotR? Please no spoilers. Please provide any info you can.
Thanks!
anywho, it was fabulous. i'd definitely give it a 99%. there were 2 'unclear' parts, perhaps cheezy but since i havent read the book i might be mistaken. i loved FOTR and i also thought TT might be better...i'll have to re-watch FOTR though to be sure!
12-04-02 | 08:29 PM
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Entertainment Weakly just gave it a B, while claiming it is superior to FOTR.
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/review/...ngstwo,00.html
That's one letter below last year's A for FOTR (but Lisa S. reviewed it, not the infamous Owen G. who did this one).
Boy are they gonna get hate mail.
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/review/...ngstwo,00.html
That's one letter below last year's A for FOTR (but Lisa S. reviewed it, not the infamous Owen G. who did this one).
Boy are they gonna get hate mail.
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Another review, this one from fox news.
Lord of the Rings Towers With Number Two
We finally got to see The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers last night and, as I predicted from the 16 minutes of footage shown in the fall, this will be a big hit.
It's also quite likely to be an Oscar nominee for Best Picture, joining Gangs of New York and Chicago (each from Miramax, which will distribute a low-budget documentary I co-produced next year), Catch Me If You Can (from DreamWorks, whose annual Christmas party I attend), and one of the following films: Far From Heaven, Antwone Fisher, or The Hours.
Lord of the Rings is from New Line Cinema, which took a big risk in agreeing to make three films when the aforementioned Miramax balked at the idea.
The Two Towers features breathtaking battle scenes that involve a lot of computer-generated graphics but enough human interaction to make the whole business seem very real. It also boasts a beguiling CGI character named Gollum who looked to me like he the was love child of Sylvia Sidney in her older years and Peter Lorre.
There are several terrific human performances, not the least of which is from Bernard Hill as the King. He's a total surprise and a find, with the potential for a supporting-actor nod. Ian McKellen is just as good as before as Gandalf and Miranda Otto is the fetching princess.
Viggo Mortensen, who should have been a movie star long before this, will maybe now break through. He is photographed as nicely as possible by director Peter Jackson, who obviously saw Mortensen as his matinee-idol hero. He was right.
But I think the real success of The Two Towers comes not from the story — which, frankly, is hard to follow in the first hour, but then settles down. (A map, shown in the last hour, would have been more helpful early on.)
No, the real success comes in the camaraderie among the characters and the actors. It's a very human movie after all. The people really seem to like each other, and we like them because of it.
With all this emotion and bonding, The Two Towers has everything that made the original Star Wars movies so popular, and everything that the two recent ones have sorely lacked.
The Two Towers will open on Dec. 20, the same day as Gangs of New York. What a weekend that will be! Two epic stories of very different natures, and each will be fighting for the same awards. After last year's paucity of good films, we're really basking in a glow right now. Every December should be so fruitful.
We finally got to see The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers last night and, as I predicted from the 16 minutes of footage shown in the fall, this will be a big hit.
It's also quite likely to be an Oscar nominee for Best Picture, joining Gangs of New York and Chicago (each from Miramax, which will distribute a low-budget documentary I co-produced next year), Catch Me If You Can (from DreamWorks, whose annual Christmas party I attend), and one of the following films: Far From Heaven, Antwone Fisher, or The Hours.
Lord of the Rings is from New Line Cinema, which took a big risk in agreeing to make three films when the aforementioned Miramax balked at the idea.
The Two Towers features breathtaking battle scenes that involve a lot of computer-generated graphics but enough human interaction to make the whole business seem very real. It also boasts a beguiling CGI character named Gollum who looked to me like he the was love child of Sylvia Sidney in her older years and Peter Lorre.
There are several terrific human performances, not the least of which is from Bernard Hill as the King. He's a total surprise and a find, with the potential for a supporting-actor nod. Ian McKellen is just as good as before as Gandalf and Miranda Otto is the fetching princess.
Viggo Mortensen, who should have been a movie star long before this, will maybe now break through. He is photographed as nicely as possible by director Peter Jackson, who obviously saw Mortensen as his matinee-idol hero. He was right.
But I think the real success of The Two Towers comes not from the story — which, frankly, is hard to follow in the first hour, but then settles down. (A map, shown in the last hour, would have been more helpful early on.)
No, the real success comes in the camaraderie among the characters and the actors. It's a very human movie after all. The people really seem to like each other, and we like them because of it.
With all this emotion and bonding, The Two Towers has everything that made the original Star Wars movies so popular, and everything that the two recent ones have sorely lacked.
The Two Towers will open on Dec. 20, the same day as Gangs of New York. What a weekend that will be! Two epic stories of very different natures, and each will be fighting for the same awards. After last year's paucity of good films, we're really basking in a glow right now. Every December should be so fruitful.
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Struz: It does open on the 18th. Guess whoever wrote that thought it opened on Friday.
I heard Owen G. hated FOTR, so him giving a B to TTT seems pretty good to me, heh
Wonder what Ebert and Roeper will think...
Brian
I heard Owen G. hated FOTR, so him giving a B to TTT seems pretty good to me, heh
Wonder what Ebert and Roeper will think...
Brian
12-05-02 | 10:59 AM
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Struz: It does open on the 18th. Guess whoever wrote that thought it opened on Friday.
I heard Owen G. hated FOTR, so him giving a B to TTT seems pretty good to me, heh
Wonder what Ebert and Roeper will think...
Brian
Struz: It does open on the 18th. Guess whoever wrote that thought it opened on Friday.
I heard Owen G. hated FOTR, so him giving a B to TTT seems pretty good to me, heh
Wonder what Ebert and Roeper will think...
Brian
Ebert is hard to gauge as he tends to not like initial releases but then gushes over EEs and director's cuts.
I really don't know how dependable this man is as he seems to be too connected to the potential Oscar hopefuls and might be given money to shill.
My two big hopes for awards: 1) LOTR:TTT, 2) Gangs of New York-Please academy, give Marty what he deserves!
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David Poland put up a very positive review at www.thehotbutton.com
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