Frailty: Questions (Do not read: unavoidable spoilers!)
09-20-02 | 09:55 AM
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I agree with adamblast, the ending had too many switcheroos going on for my taste.
Indy, your explanation makes sense but I didn't get any of that from the movie.
Indy, your explanation makes sense but I didn't get any of that from the movie.
09-20-02 | 03:07 PM
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Indy, your explanation makes sense but I didn't get any of that from the movie
It has been said that the Devil will temp and corrupt you when you are at your weakest and most vulnerable. Certainly Fenton was in this state after being locked in the cellar for long. The angel or God perhaps had the ability to forsee this and tried to warn the Dad when the angel told him his son was a demon. Since Fenton had yet to commit any evil deed at that point his Dad did not see anything when he laid his hands on him. Naturally the Dad, since he saw no "truth" when touching his son, thought the angel must be mistaken. Unknowingly, by locking his son in the cellar, the Dad fulfilled the angel's prophecy. In Fenton's weakened state Satan convinced him of his role in life and told him to kill his Father. Again, these are just my thoughts on the movie.Oh, and BTW, yes I did think Frailty was a little too predictable but I thoroughly enjoyed it.
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09-20-02 | 03:10 PM
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Re: Frailty-Fantastic!!!!
Originally posted by Berkowitz
How did it get a "R" rating??? The subject matter was dark, but there was no actual gore or images of gore. The most blood was the son's hands after digging.
How did it get a "R" rating??? The subject matter was dark, but there was no actual gore or images of gore. The most blood was the son's hands after digging.
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09-20-02 | 11:11 PM
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the graves can't probably be seen but i'm sure after that long somebody would of tripped on them by now. plus, in a public place, dogs would be sniffing and digging around all the time. there was this scene also when adam and fenton were watching a show and one character said to the other "god doesn't force people to do anything, he gave us free will". or something like that. so i don't believe adam's work was god's work. without coffins the rose garden would stink way too much for anyone not to notice somethings not right. all in all the movie was easy to predict. At least with Seven, spacey's character showed up near the end and was really powerful. this fell flat after you knew five minutes into the movie that matthew or adam was the killer going to kill powers booth. nothing mattered after. still a good movie but nowhere near a "two thumbs way up" that ebert gave it.
09-21-02 | 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by sinister
nowhere near a "two thumbs way up" that ebert gave it.
nowhere near a "two thumbs way up" that ebert gave it.
And yes, C.H.U.D., I was very much "torn" over something as insignificant as my rating. I'm not "worried" about it, but I'm undecided. Perhaps you interpreted "torn" as more severe. Anyhoo, I've decided to go with the 6 because the longer the film's had to set in, the less I've come to think there was much worthwhile about it. Yeah, and enjoyed much of it, but it was definitely way too predictable, the plot didn't do much at all for me, and I was never fascinated by any of the characters.
09-21-02 | 03:50 AM
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I liked the movie but it would've been better if at the end, it didn't really show the audience that "someone was protecting them and not getting caught". It would've been better if it was left to the audience to decide whether they were really seeing the visions or if they were just psycho's.
09-21-02 | 11:07 AM
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I actually liked it that at the end they showed that someone was really protecting them. I would never have even considered that possibility if they hadn't shown that, and then wondered if the visions were fake or real.
As for predictability--I pretty much knew that the brothers were switched and that the FBI agent was a "demon." I didn't know that the visions were real or that the older boy had turned into a serial killer too. (I really like Indy Jones Fan's interpretation of that--it all makes sense. Much better than "the shock of it all drove him crazy" theory I had while watching the film. The idea that he was a demon all along, though innocent as a child, really fits in with the way the visions and God's protection turned out to be real.
tasha
As for predictability--I pretty much knew that the brothers were switched and that the FBI agent was a "demon." I didn't know that the visions were real or that the older boy had turned into a serial killer too. (I really like Indy Jones Fan's interpretation of that--it all makes sense. Much better than "the shock of it all drove him crazy" theory I had while watching the film. The idea that he was a demon all along, though innocent as a child, really fits in with the way the visions and God's protection turned out to be real.
tasha
09-21-02 | 11:56 AM
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What's interesting is that I saw it in the theater earlier this year and then on dvd a few days ago, the second time you watch it is like watching a completely different movie
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09-21-02 | 11:54 PM
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this movie was selling at my local walmart for $13.84 and for that price, i figured i'd try it out. what a great movie!!! 
like some of you, i could kinda of see how the movie was going but it was the best horror/suspense movie that i've ever seen especially given the major lack of blood and gore.
like some of you, i could kinda of see how the movie was going but it was the best horror/suspense movie that i've ever seen especially given the major lack of blood and gore.
09-22-02 | 05:05 AM
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Saw it for the first time the other night and I loved it. Great movie and its the type that stays with you for a few days.
Very disturbing movie to watch at times but you get a great pay off.
Funny, but I thought it was better and more effective than signs.
What kind of business did this movie due and when was it in theatres?
I am going to buy it.
Very disturbing movie to watch at times but you get a great pay off.
Funny, but I thought it was better and more effective than signs.
What kind of business did this movie due and when was it in theatres?
I am going to buy it.
09-22-02 | 05:18 AM
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I dont know how this one got away in the theatre. One of the best movies Ive seen this year and I loved the ending. I saw some things coming but it was much better than most thriller movies that Hollywood cranks out these days, even Shamlans. His last two movies were contrived and overdone to me.
Paxton did a great job here and I help it finds more of an audience on DVD.
Interestijng to find out from the commentary that Paxton showed the film to James Cameron and he suggested some things for editing. Isnstead of showing what is seen when the demons are touched when he is touching them, he suggested saving it for the end.
Paxton did a great job here and I help it finds more of an audience on DVD.
Interestijng to find out from the commentary that Paxton showed the film to James Cameron and he suggested some things for editing. Isnstead of showing what is seen when the demons are touched when he is touching them, he suggested saving it for the end.
09-23-02 | 11:34 AM
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You guys are all so right! 
Am I crazy to think that this movie should be considered come Oscar time? Not necessarily for Best Picture, but maybe a few others (Director, Screenplay, Cinematography, even Supporting Actor -- the kid who played Fenton was amazing).
Am I crazy to think that this movie should be considered come Oscar time? Not necessarily for Best Picture, but maybe a few others (Director, Screenplay, Cinematography, even Supporting Actor -- the kid who played Fenton was amazing).
09-23-02 | 08:17 PM
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I just watched Frailty and I thought it was just plain excelent, best movie I've seen in a long time. I always kinda liked Bill Paxon but he did a heluva directing job.
But one thing that has me wondering is...
But one thing that has me wondering is...
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09-24-02 | 07:46 AM
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I just watched Frailty and I thought it was just plain excelent, best movie I've seen in a long time. I always kinda liked Bill Paxon but he did a heluva directing job.
But one thing that has me wondering is...
I just watched Frailty and I thought it was just plain excelent, best movie I've seen in a long time. I always kinda liked Bill Paxon but he did a heluva directing job.
But one thing that has me wondering is...
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That was the story he was telling the FBI guy...
09-26-02 | 12:25 PM
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I watched this one last night and was disappointed. I expected an extremely dark, intense horror/thriller. For some reason, Bill Paxton's performance (both as actor & director) was unsatisfying, and much of the plot was unoriginal and predictable. It seemed like the movie wanted to be "The Shining" but couldn't equal the pacing and atmosphere of that film.
Also, Bill Paxton clearly needs to hone his directing chops. One shot of the son running down the street, for example, was unintentionally funny and distracted from the tone of the movie.
If I had to grade it, I'd give this one 2-2.5 stars out of 4, but expecting a 3+ or better. Rent but don't buy!!!
Also, Bill Paxton clearly needs to hone his directing chops. One shot of the son running down the street, for example, was unintentionally funny and distracted from the tone of the movie.
If I had to grade it, I'd give this one 2-2.5 stars out of 4, but expecting a 3+ or better. Rent but don't buy!!!