The One and Only HK DVDs Thread v.2

 
Old 05-04-01, 05:22 AM
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Here is part 2 of the HK DVD thread that recieved thousands of views and hundreds of posts (6 pages...). Sometimes it's good to start with a clean slate. We had a lot of great discussions over in the first thread which I urge you to go check out now if you haven't... here's the link: Click Me!
I know I'm not being very creative by re-posting the same stuff for the first post, but I don't think anybody reads this one anyway - it's all about what follows. Feel free to re-post a question that didn't get answered or a topic that you want some more discussion on.

This thread will cover things such as favorite HK films, favorite directors, favorite actors, etc... also covering Japanese Samurai films too. Also covered should be wire-fu, kung-fu, gun-fu (like John Woo), as well as any non-action HK film. Jackie Chan, Sammo Hung, Jet Li, Michelle Yeoh, Tsui Hark, Woo-Ping Yuen and all the other Yuens are fair game as well. Even feel free to ask "I like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon - what should I get?"

Here's a list of films recommended to those who want to get into Asian cinema, but don't know where to start:


== Good Kung-Fu ==

Iron Monkey
(1993)
Dragon Inn (1992)
Fire Dragon (1994)
The Blade (1995) - Not yet on DVD

== Michelle Yeoh ==

Butterfly and Sword
Wing Chun
Heroic Trio
Supercop II
(US Title)

== Jet Li ==

Swordsman II
Fong Sai Yuk 1 and 2
(a.k.a. The Legend and The Legend 2)
Tai Chi Master (a.k.a. Twin Warriors)
Once Upon a Time in China 1 and 2
Fist of Legend

== Jackie Chan ==

Drunken Master 2
(a.k.a. Legend Of Drunken Master)
Shanghai Noon (US Film - I'm sorry, but I really liked this one)
Supercop (US Title)
Operation Condor (US Title)
Rumble in the Bronx
Gorgeous
(US Title)

== For those who like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon ==

Bride With White Hair
Chinese Ghost Story 1 & 2 & 3
Zu: Warriors of the Magic Mountain
Green Snake
Storm Riders
A Man Called Hero
Emperor and the Assasin
(no kung-fu or wire-fu)
Farewell My Concubine (no kung-fu or wire-fu)

== Old-School Kung-Fu Suggestions ==

Seven Blows Of The Dragon
The Master Killer
Kid With The Golden Arm
Five Master Of Death
Chinese Super Ninja (5 element ninja)

== Gun-Fu or Explosive Action ==

Killer
Hard Boiled
Gen-X Cops
Tokyo Raiders
Running Out of Time
Purple Storm
Shiri
- Korean
Time and Tide

Best online stores for import HK DVDs and VCDs:

http://www.dddhouse.com - favorite*
http://www.hivizone.com - "international"
http://www.dvdshelf.com - yup
http://www.pokerindustries.com - Large selection/higher prices. Free shipping over $50.
http://www.fivestarlaser.com - similar to poker.
http://www.asiafilm.com - not easy to order from, but decent prices.
http://www.coolashop.com - slow, but large selection
http://www.asianxpress.net - easy to use, not the cheapest, prices in USD.
http://www.hkflix.com - slick site design. Located in the US?

Other Resources:
http://www.asiandvdguide.com - for information on which DVD version of a movie to get (ie. Tai Seng, Mei Ah, Universe, etc...)
http://www.hkmdb.com - for a resource of reviews and other info on most HK films.

"So... you think your kung-fu is pretty good, huh? I want to fight your brother... him against me... LET'S KUNG-FU!" Moderators - go ahead and close the other thread. Thanks.

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Ok Lazy bob... I watched Naked Killer tonight. It had a few moments, but outside of a bit of decent comedy and some decent action - it was just a porno. Perhaps I'm being naive in expecting anything else due to the title and the box art. I don't know - maybe I'm missing something... it was decent and I'll probably hang on to it for awhile, but it doesn't quite rank up there in my top 100 films or whatever. It was entertaining, but not one of your best suggestions. I think you were just trying to see if you could get me to buy more HK DVDs when I said I was gonna stop.
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DDDHouse & Michelle Yeoh

I can't seem to find Wing Chun and Sword & Butterfly listed anywhere.
Are these OOP or just not on DDD'd range?
Also, which is the best version of Naked Killer to get?

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Re: DDDHouse & Michelle Yeoh

Originally posted by Cyberdemon
I can't seem to find Wing Chun and Sword & Butterfly listed anywhere.
Are these OOP or just not on DDD'd range?
Also, which is the best version of Naked Killer to get?

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I got Wing Chun from DVDPlanet and Butterfly & Sword I got from DDDHouse. I got Naked Killer from BestPrices.com. If you go to asiandvdguide.com, they'll say which version is the best to get. I'm pleased with the one I got from BestPrices, but it may be cut a bit. I'm not sure either way - I could look for you if you want. I could care less though really if it was cut a bit - I don't know what I'd be missing - either cheesy sex scene or bad special effect shot.
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Re: DDDHouse & Michelle Yeoh

Originally posted by Cyberdemon
I can't seem to find Wing Chun and Sword & Butterfly listed anywhere.
Are these OOP or just not on DDD'd range?
Also, which is the best version of Naked Killer to get?

Thanks,

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DDDHouse nor any other mainstream HK store would sell Wing Chun because there is no HK distributor for this movie. Your chances of finding the DVD in the U.S. are much better since Taiseng actually produced/distributes this DVD.

The best version of Naked Killer is the Megastar non-dubbed version.
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Old 05-04-01, 07:34 PM
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Thanks Yellow Hammer, explains why I couldn't find it!
As the resident expert, in your opinion, what are the best Jackie Chan films available?
I currently have:
Who Am I? HK
Gorgeous HK
Accidental Spy HK
Drunken Master CAN (Oh dear...)
Mr Nice Guy US (oh dear oh dear...)
First Strike US (see above...)
Rumble In The Bronx US
Rush Hour US
Twin Dragons US
Operation Condor US
Operation Condor 2 US
Supercop US
Shanghai Noon US

Any glaring omissions?
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I pretty much have every single JC DVD post 1980 except for Island of Fire. Gosh, there's actually quite a few missing from your list, mostly his stuff before 1990. But if I had to choose 5 that are so-called 'glaring omissions', I would say the following:

Police Story - probably his best film IMO
Wheels on Meals - worth it just to see the end fight between Jackie and Benny the Jet, which may be the answer to the greatest movie fight ever. Watch what happens to the candle...
Miracles - plays a reluctant gangland leader
Project A - loads of fun, the movie that Jackie almost kills himself
Crime Story - he's good in this one - all serious stuff, no comedy
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Originally posted by Cyberdemon
Thanks Yellow Hammer, explains why I couldn't find it!
As the resident expert, in your opinion, what are the best Jackie Chan films available?
I currently have:
Who Am I? HK
Gorgeous HK
Accidental Spy HK
Drunken Master CAN (Oh dear...)
Mr Nice Guy US (oh dear oh dear...)
First Strike US (see above...)
Rumble In The Bronx US
Rush Hour US
Twin Dragons US
Operation Condor US
Operation Condor 2 US
Supercop US
Shanghai Noon US

Any glaring omissions?
Thanks,

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I'm not the resident expert, but here's my suggestions...

Police Story - prequel to Supercop
Police Story 2 - see above
Legend of Drunken Master (aka Drunken Master 2) - must have

I don't know what you mean by "oh dear", but it sounds bad... It sounds like you have the original Drunken Master. Anyway, there's a few others that may be worth checking out depending on what you like. I didn't like these as much - not enough to buy anyway - but here's a few others:
Project A
The Prisoner
Miracles
My Stunts

If you like the older stuff - there's a ton of it. Avoid Rumble in Hong Kong at all costs though.
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Yellow Hammer & Trigger thanks very much for your replies.
I'll head over to DDDHouse now and see what I can find...

I've never gotten hold of a Tai-Seng release yet but are curious to know of their quality. Any comments?

Does Tai Seng only issue titles not on release in HK or do they just pick up the rights for the US territories?

I'm only new into the HK DVD scene, but enjoyed what small part I've so far sampled. Here's to the future!

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Old-school news

Just to let people know that Ground Zero is going to be releasing a bunch of Shaw Brothers DVDs this year, including Dirty Ho, Legendary Weapons, Martial Club, and some others. Also, I believe Killer Army is being released in May. I have this on VHS, and if you like Kid With The Golden Arm, you'll like this one, as it's the same director, and largely the same cast, settings and style of choreography. I personally thought the story and the fight scenes of Killer Army were slightly better than Golden Arm.

Here's more info:

http://www.dvdcult.com/kungfudvd.htm
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Signed up for AT&T Online billing and got myself a $25 Amazon GC. Used it to pre-order 5 movies

Beauty Investigator $12.99
Green Snake $16.99
Shaolin Popey $13.96
Shaolin Popey II - Messy Temple $13.96
Once Upon a Time in China Part 2 $17.46

Subtotal: $ 72.33
Shipping & Handling: $ 6.94


Promotional Certificates: -$ 25.00
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Total before tax: $ 54.27
Tax: $ 0.00
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Purchase Total: $ 54.27

The price on some of them has been increased about a dollar after I ordered...
Haven't seen "Beauty Investigator" but for roughly $10 bucks...what the heck
The sad part: I combined the orders to save on shipping and estimated delivery date is set for "June 1-June 7"


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let me know if OUATIC 2 is worth it... I have the HK version of part 2, but I have the US version of the first film. Are those prices bloody cheap? What's the % off the MSRP on those?
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I have a question and was hoping maybe someone here has an idea. I have been seeing some of the movies listed in these HK movie threads being played on Encore Action Channel. Last night, The Storm Riders played... and they will be playing others throughout the month. The thing that gets me wondering is, whenever i see these movies played on this channel, they are dubbed in english... but when i look up the dvd, they are only subtitled. I like subtitles myself.. but would also like the option for english dub for those people who dont like to "read" during the movie. Anyone know why the movie on the television is dubbed.. but the dvd is only subtitled? Thanks
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That's because most of these DVDs are made in HK and they include subtitles in many languages because it is cheap and broadens the prospective audience. Often times, the english subtitles are very very poor where grammar and spelling and translation are concerned. When a movie makes it to the US or the UK, they automatically stick a dub crew on it so they can release it in the US market either on VHS or on cable or sometimes on DVD. There aren't really enough buyers out there yet to make HK import films a cash cow for US studios... perhaps with the release of Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, more people will show interest enough so that it becomes more of a priority for studios. Tai Seng releases several DVDs with all 3 language tracks. As for why US studios don't release DVDs with the original Chinese and subtitled as an option is that they assume we are dumb and that's an extra feature they would have to pay for. I own alot of DVDs that have both the Dub and the Sub on them. I think this will become more common as time goes on.

Jackie CHan films lit a fuse for US studios because they didn't have to gamble much - the films were made and all they had to do was re-package them and promote them... other studios scrambled to leech off the HK thing and here's Jet Li. And, Oh look - it's Chow Yun Fat. And, hey - it's John Woo... and so on... The reason The Blade isn't on DVD by any US studio is because none of those people (Jackie, Jet, John, Chow, etc...) had anything to do with it and the 2 Tsui Hark films they tried (knockoff and double team) flopped in a huge way (mainly because of Van Damme and the small budget) so they don't see a bankable name. It's a shame really. Don't forget to check http://www.asiandvdguide.com to see which editions of which films contain sub or dub or both.
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Heck...i just figured it there was no english dub on hk movies cuz it wasn't a us release..and the ones with the us release has no subtitles because the majority of the us population would rather watch it with bad dubbing rather than trying to watch and read at the same time.....besides....dub sells better than sub....this was the big debate with anime when it was Streamline vs. Animego....
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Re: Old-school news

Originally posted by Ky-Fi
Just to let people know that Ground Zero is going to be releasing a bunch of Shaw Brothers DVDs this year, including Dirty Ho, Legendary Weapons, Martial Club, and some others. Also, I believe Killer Army is being released in May. I have this on VHS, and if you like Kid With The Golden Arm, you'll like this one, as it's the same director, and largely the same cast, settings and style of choreography. I personally thought the story and the fight scenes of Killer Army were slightly better than Golden Arm.

Here's more info:

http://www.dvdcult.com/kungfudvd.htm
Yeah, cant believe how happy that makes me, some good budget minded, old school kung fu. My only problem is with a little multiple title confusion- is Legendary Weapons going to be 18 Legendary Weapons of Kung Fu (one of the greatest kung fu films ever) or is it the lackluster Legendary Weapons of China? But, Challenge of the Masters, Daggers 8, Triple Irons, and Martial Club will be great. Man, this is going to be a good year. Especially if they can keep putting out those widescreen editions.

Ky-Fi, where did you hear they were putting out Killer Army on DVD too? That would be nice, also, since they already did Spearmen of Death (aka Flag of Iron) on video, it would be nice to see a DVD of that.
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Regarding dubs, there are some hk films that are prepared with an international version (dubbed and cut)in mind. Storm Riders is one such movie, with Golden Harvest finally having found buyers for their international version. HK releases don't contain english dubs because well, they never intend for a North American release. English subs are included primarily for other asian markets where english is an alternate language. Some academics have hypothesized that there was a law in HK mandating the inclusion of english subtitles, but have yet to show one single iota of proof. This doesn't reflect particularly well upon themselves since any law would be easy to retrieve and document given the substantial legal literature that would no doubt have accompanied its inception. HK directors know nothing of this law and comment that they only intend for a North American market when they include/produce a dubbed version.

With regards to US studios, they can turn a substantial profit on hk imports. Film rights, particularly as they are usually only buying rights to the video and not audio, literally cost pennies for many of these films relatively speaking (The Jackie Chan back cataloge was like what, less than a million a picture? One box office weekend for any one of the films covered the costs). Original language tracks add quite a bit to the cost (depending upon the film the costs can be many times higher than the video), and they aren't seen as a major concern to studios (they can easily turn a profit for dubbed titles via the home rental market if nothing else). As for why certain titles never come out in the US market, you have to realize that film licensing can be a very tricky business. Often a single company can hold the world-wide rights to a film, or the rights may be held by a third party after the demise of a film studio (very common in HK). To complicate matters, licensing is specific to formats. A company may have the rights to a vhs or vcd release, but the rights to a dvd package may be much more expensive or not available at all. Film licenses are major assets for asian studios (often selling the rights for foreign markets is the only way these films turn a profit), so they don't just go selling off the rights when the first opportunity arises. To complicate matters, licensing deals can be for extremely long periods and the rights holder may not have any immediate plans for an acquisition.
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Does Tai Seng only issue titles not on release in HK or do they just pick up the rights for the US territories?

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95% of the time Taiseng is simply slapping a sticker onto a HK import. There are some HK titles that they have produced, check the Asian DVD Guide for a complete list. In the past year they have come up with New Legend of Shaolin, Dragon Inn, Rich and Famous, and Tragic Hero, all excellent HK films (and not necessarily the DVD itself).
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Does Tai Seng only issue titles not on release in HK or do they just pick up the rights for the US territories?

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95% of the time Taiseng is simply slapping a sticker onto a HK import. There are some HK titles that they have produced, check the Asian DVD Guide for a complete list. In the past year they have come up with New Legend of Shaolin, Dragon Inn, Rich and Famous, and Tragic Hero, all excellent HK films (and not necessarily the DVD itself).
Really? I haven't found that to be the case... I think Tai Seng puts out some really nice DVD editions. I've called them a few times and they seem like nice people too. I don't know nearly enough about it though since I only own like 8 or 10 Tai Seng DVDs and one VHS. I'm sure I should take your word as gospel here. Anyway - I have Dragon Inn on order and I hope I get it soon... I'm itching to see it!
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Region 0 Shiri now available..

got an email from asiandb.com...damn...looks like i'm gonna shell out some more money....

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Shiri Special Edition DVD
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All Region Coded DVD (means compatible with any DVD players in the world)

Country: South Korea
Manufacturer: Bitwin
Subtitles: English, Japanese, Korean
Region Code: All, NTSC
Specs: 2 Discs, Single Side Dual Layer
Running Time: 230 mins
Special Features:
* What "SHIRI" Symbolizes
* Director Cuts
* NG Scenes
* Interviews
* Behind Story
* The Making of "SHIRI"
* Music video "When I Dream"
* Theatrical Trailers (Korean, Japan)
* Gun Index
* Digital Audio Expierience
* Cast & Director's Profile (English)


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Iaido, it was actually a little paragraph at the link I posted:

Speaking of the Venoms...
Ground Zero has done it again. We already know their upcoming release schedule, but it seems like they slipped another Chang Cheh Venoms classic into circulation. According to both DVDPlanet and DVDEmpire, KILLER ARMY is due on DVD in May! This barely seen 1980 flick features the original Venoms line-up of Lo Meng, Phil Kwok, Chiang Sheng, Sun Shien, and Lu Feng. We will attempt to bring you the details as soon as we receive them.

I pre-ordered it on Amazon about 2 weeks ago, but they just say "will ship in 4-6 weeks"----I don't know if they even had an official release date or not---hopefully it IS out in May.
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So I guess now I have to get Shiri... and I'm still waiting for a good release of Bchunmoo on DVD.

I just got Dragon Inn finally and Bride with White Hair 1 today so I can finally watch BWWH 1 and 2 (I've had pt. 2 for over a month now). I'm gonna be busy I guess.

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So I guess now I have to get Shiri... and I'm still waiting for a good release of Bchunmoo on DVD.

I just got Dragon Inn finally and Bride with White Hair 1 today so I can finally watch BWWH 1 and 2 (I've had pt. 2 for over a month now). I'm gonna be busy I guess.

I didn't think Bichunmoo was that great...the angle constantly changes during the fighting scenes that you think you're watching a porno flick....worth a rental...i think...
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Well it's doubtful I'll find it anyplace to rent. I'll see how much it costs when it becomes available.

I watched Dragon Inn tonight. At first I thought it was boring until they actually got to the Dragon Inn... then it suddenly got really interesting. Wow - what a great flick. It continued to get progressively better as it went on and culminated in this great fight scene at the end. I was impressed. The DVD from Tai Seng has DD 1.0 CAN and MAN and also stereo ENG (which is completely worthless)... the sound is mediocre. The subs were running off the screen a little and perhaps could've been a bit smaller. They were well done though as far as grammar and spelling and translation goes (I can only imagine the translation is fairly accurate). The image is a bit dirty, but it's in widescreen and it looks good enough. This disc is called "Special Edition", but the only thing special about it is that a commentary by a Hong Kong movie expert is added. I haven't listened to it, but he did the commentary on the US release of OUATIC and he was somewhat entertaining and informative. Thumbs up from me on this one, but I had to warm up to it.
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The month of May brings us some new big name HK movies coming onto DVD - Wu Yen, Time and Tide, and China Strike Force. Wu Yen is set to be released in a couple of days ($105HK at DDDHouse). Time and Tide (R3) is already out theoretically but in very very limited supply even in Hong Kong (I think the American studios learned a little bit from the DVD release of CTHD). Expect the selling price to be exactly the same as CTHD's R3 price. Any day now they're going to announce the DVD release of China Strike Force.
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