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Bluelitespecial 05-31-24 04:40 PM

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It's not noted on the pic but the listing on the Arrow website of The Mexico Trilogy says its a 4k/blu-ray combo.

Why So Blu? 05-31-24 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluelitespecial (Post 14432356)
It's not noted on the pic but the listing on the Arrow website of The Mexico Trilogy says its a 4k/blu-ray combo.



El Mariachi and Once Upon a Time in Mexico are both BD's and Desperado is a 4K disc.

nikkijo 05-31-24 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 14432373)
El Mariachi and Once Upon a Time in Mexico are both BD's and Desperado is a 4K disc.

I was ready to order and then decided to read the release details and read 3 times because I could not believe that they are selling a trilogy with only one movie is in 4k and other two are blu-ray.
Sounds like a rip-off set and the 4k is not even in Atmos.

nikkijo 05-31-24 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 14365146)
https://www.amazon.com/Shawscope-Vol...=ATVPDKIKX0DER

The Shawscope Volume 2 set is now down to $79.99. That's the lowest price it's been. I paid $89.45 in September. If you were holding out, I would jump at this. This is a quality set.

I bought mine last year and after watching the movies sold it right away. The quality is good, but the movies are not good.

PhantomStranger 06-01-24 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by nikkijo (Post 14432447)
I bought mine last year and after watching the movies sold it right away. The quality is good, but the movies are not good.

The 36th Chamber of Shaolin and The Kid With the Golden Arm are martial arts classics in that set. A couple of the comedies aren't great but it's essential for any veteran Shaw Brothers viewer.

DJariya 06-01-24 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by nikkijo (Post 14432447)
I bought mine last year and after watching the movies sold it right away. The quality is good, but the movies are not good.

You're entitled to your opinion and movies are subjective. But, the Shaw Brothers film library is for the most part considered classic martial arts cinema. I understand you said you didn't like the movies, but the set also features hours and hours of educational bonus material on HK cinema. Most of which aren't movie specific.

But, I get that some of the them like Phantom said, which feature comedy, are tough watches. My Father grew up on martial arts movies from Shaw Brothers and Golden Harvest, but he absolutely hates martial arts comedies.

I'm curious why you responded to a post from 6 months ago. It's a dated post now.

Josh Z 06-01-24 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by nikkijo (Post 14432445)
I was ready to order and then decided to read the release details and read 3 times because I could not believe that they are selling a trilogy with only one movie is in 4k and other two are blu-ray.
Sounds like a rip-off set and the 4k is not even in Atmos.

Of the three movies, the only one with real 4K potential is Desperado.

El Mariachi is basically a student film. It was shot on 16mm with a budget of $8,000 (yes, thousand). Even by 16mm standards, the photography is extremely soft, flat, and grainy. It was shot on the cheapest film stocks Rodriguez could scrape together from odds and odds left over from other productions. There's nothing approaching 4K detail on the negative, nor anything that would benefit from HDR. A 4K HDR transfer would only serve to over-emphasize the grain even worse than it already looks on Blu-ray.

Meanwhile, Once Upon a Time in Mexico was shot in 1080p HDCAM with early digital cameras. It looked like garbage in the theater, with very smeary, video-ish photography. I'm not sure if the cameras were capable of HDR or Wide Color Gamut, either.

Desperado is the only of the three movies shot on 35mm, and is by far the best-looking of them.

As for Atmos, I'd personally rather have the original super-charged 5.1 mix than some Atmos remix that will invariably water down the bass, because sound mixers today are so timid with LFE. It's not like the movie has any action going on overhead, anyway.

Brian T 06-01-24 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PhantomStranger (Post 14432482)
The 36th Chamber of Shaolin and The Kid With the Golden Arm are martial arts classics in that set. A couple of the comedies aren't great but it's essential for any veteran Shaw Brothers viewer.


Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 14432485)
I'm curious why you responded to a post from 6 months ago. It's a dated post now.

I’m wondered if they replied because the Shawscope 2 set was part of the Diabolik sale at $79.99. Maybe they spotted that? Doesn’t seem to be there now, but it was when the sale first went up a few couple days back.

Totally agree with the thoughts shared above about the Shaw films, too, and I’d add that they’re all important as a body of work from one studio— even the full-on comedies (not just the martial arts ones) and all the other genres that, as I’ve expected from the start of these reissues, the western boutiques have steadfastly avoided, even as one-offs. It would be cool if a label like, say, Radiance or Kani took a chance and released even a single musical, or 60’s spy film, or 70’s crime thriller, just so people in the west could finally see that the studio, and Hong Kong, was about so much more than the ‘chop-socky’ martial arts films most commonly associated with that era, and the city, thanks to distributors both there and over here. Oh well, I can dream. :)

Adam Tyner 06-02-24 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian T (Post 14432639)
It would be cool if a label like, say, Radiance or Kani took a chance and released even a single musical, or 60’s spy film, or 70’s crime thriller, just so people in the west could finally see that the studio, and Hong Kong, was about so much more than the ‘chop-socky’ martial arts films most commonly associated with that era, and the city, thanks to distributors both there and over here. Oh well, I can dream. :)

I could’ve sworn I read somewhere that ShawScope vols. 3 and 4 would branch out more, but I can’t quickly find that quote from James Flower (or whoever it was).

I’m still holding out hope for Super Inframan myself.

Brian T 06-02-24 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner (Post 14432825)
I could’ve sworn I read somewhere that ShawScope vols. 3 and 4 would branch out more, but I can’t quickly find that quote from James Flower (or whoever it was).

I’m still holding out hope for Super Inframan myself.

SUPER INFRAMAN would be an ideal choice, but I wonder if that might be as far 'afield' as they go, since it's previous releases in the DVD era have always been adjacent to other Shaw martial arts films put out by various distributors. In that regard, I could see a few horror movies making it into the boxes, too, as some of those were similarly picked up by previous boutiques back in the DVD era. They could probably make a standalone Shawscope Horror box with fun stuff like BLACK MAGIC 1/2, OILY MANIAC, the HEX films, HAUNTED TALES, CORPSE MANIA, BEWITCHED, etc. I don't expect a box full of musicals, straight-up comedies, or romantic dramas or anything like that, though, but as I mentioned Shaw studios turned out some entertaining spy movies, caper movies, and crime films that did have action sequences in them (including martial arts fights), so even seeing one or two in the mix would be a refreshing change. Barring that, they'd be appropriate selections for smaller boutique labels (like the two I mentioned) that are accustomed to producing lower quantities and slower sales trajectories. If none of it comes to pass, I've still got my bins full of IVL discs to keep me warm. :lol:

Adam Tyner 06-02-24 04:43 PM

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Here’s the quote I was thinking of, although I misremembered elements of it for sure.


I wasn't involved with picking the titles for Volumes 1 & 2 but have been more involved with the new package we're acquiring for Volumes 3 & 4, which does indeed veer away from kung fu a lot more. I picked the name Shawscope for our boxsets specifically so we could go into new territory in the future, and that is indeed the strategy: hopefully by now we've hooked enough people with the kung fu sets that will now be willing to go on a journey into other kinds of Shaws films with us. Indeed, working on the extras gave me a whole other list of films I'm desperately keen to see! That said, I doubt you'll see us doing the operas, melodramas and comedies anytime soon - they just aren't commercially viable at the scale we're working to with the new restorations and collectable packaging, which means genre films inevitably become the key focus. (Indeed, I'm not convinced a huangmei diao set would fly off the shelves even with just the existing Celestial masters, basic packaging and minimal extras to keep production costs down.) I'm sure we'll release more Shaws kung fu films in the future too, but we're happy to go on a bit of a tangent for now - especially as we have plenty of Golden Harvest films from Fortune Star lined up too.

rocket1312 06-02-24 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner (Post 14432825)
I could’ve sworn I read somewhere that ShawScope vols. 3 and 4 would branch out more, but I can’t quickly find that quote from James Flower (or whoever it was).

I’m still holding out hope for Super Inframan myself.

I feel like there are a whole bunch of Super Inframan Blu-rays released in various countries. I know I have the 88 Films UK disc. While it could use a new Arrow scan as much as any of the other titles, I can't say that I'd be in much of a hurry to upgrade. I guess it is oop though.

nikkijo 06-02-24 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PhantomStranger (Post 14432482)
The 36th Chamber of Shaolin and The Kid With the Golden Arm are martial arts classics in that set. A couple of the comedies aren't great but it's essential for any veteran Shaw Brothers viewer.

Would I rather want to watch those over my GOLDEN HARVEST BRUCE LEE movies and the answer is no.

nikkijo 06-02-24 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 14432485)
You're entitled to your opinion and movies are subjective. But, the Shaw Brothers film library is for the most part considered classic martial arts cinema. I understand you said you didn't like the movies, but the set also features hours and hours of educational bonus material on HK cinema. Most of which aren't movie specific.

But, I get that some of the them like Phantom said, which feature comedy, are tough watches. My Father grew up on martial arts movies from Shaw Brothers and Golden Harvest, but he absolutely hates martial arts comedies.

I'm curious why you responded to a post from 6 months ago. It's a dated post now.

I just felt like answering.

dex14 06-05-24 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner (Post 14432825)
I could’ve sworn I read somewhere that ShawScope vols. 3 and 4 would branch out more, but I can’t quickly find that quote from James Flower (or whoever it was).

I’m still holding out hope for Super Inframan myself.

Some answers soon...


Brian T 06-05-24 02:17 PM

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Good to know something’s coming. This ‘teaser’ stuff is so tiresome (yay social media) but I suppose that green gives off a certain horror vibe.

Adam Tyner 06-06-24 03:25 PM

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Unobstructed View posted the box and titles for ShawScope vol. 3. Spoilering in case anyone still wants to be surprised tomorrow:

Spoiler:

https://unobstructedview.com/media/c...3d_pack_us.jpg


Before Hong Kong’s mightiest film studio mastered the art of the kung fu film, Shaw Brothers hit box office gold with a very different kind of martial arts cinema, one that channelled the blood-soaked widescreen violence of Japanese samurai epics and Italian spaghetti westerns into a uniquely Chinese form: the wuxia pian. With their enthralling tales drawn from historical myth and legend of sword-wielding (and often gravity-defying) noble heroes, the wuxia films housed in this next instalment of Arrow Video’s best-selling Shawscope series demonstrate the sweeping stylistic evolution of the genre, from the righteous stoicism of the late-60s Mandarin period, right through to the wild-and-weird anarchism of the early-80s Cantonese explosion.

The iconic One-Armed Swordsman trilogy, directed between 1967 and 1971 by wuxia cinema godfather Chang Cheh, made household names of stars "Jimmy" Wang Yu and David Chiang and set the gory template for many of the films to come. Contrary to Chang’s tales of loyal brotherhood, many wuxia films focused on female protagonists, three very different examples of which we see next: Ho Meng-hua’s Lady Hermit, with the great Cheng Pei-pei (Come Drink with Me) as a virtuous swordswoman called upon to stop a vicious warlord; Chor Yuen’s scandalous Intimate Confessions of a Chinese Courtesan in which the titular lady of the night masters every deadly skill she can to get revenge on those who enslaved her; and Cheng Kang’s all-star epic The 14 Amazons, in which Shaws’ finest starlets play the real-life women of the Yang dynasty, avenging their fallen menfolk in battle. Next, Chor Yuen adapted several beloved novels by consummate wuxia storyteller Gu Long to the big screen, four of which are collected here: The Magic Blade, Clans of Intrigue, Jade Tiger and The Sentimental Swordsman, all starring the redoubtable Ti Lung. As kung fu overtook wuxia at the box office, the genre evolved into unexpected new directions, with its chivalrous knights-errant replaced by conflicted antiheroes, as seen in Sun Chung’s breathlessly exciting The Avenging Eagle and Boxer’s Omen goremeister Kuei Chih-hung’s fatalistic masterpiece Killer Constable. Finally, just when it seemed the wuxia film had nowhere left to turn, Eighties excess reigned supreme in the special-effects-soaked, fourth-wall-breaking fantastical delights of Taylor Wong’s Buddha’s Palm and Lu Chun-ku’s Bastard Swordsman.

Back with all-new exclusive restorations and hours of insightful bonus material, if you thought the previous two Shawscope sets showed the Shaw Brothers studio at its strongest, you ain’t seen nothing yet!

LIMITED EDITION BLU-RAY COLLECTION CONTENTS

- High Definition (1080p) Blu-ray presentations of all fourteen films, including thirteen new 2K restorations by Arrow Films from the original negatives, and a new 4K restoration of One-Armed Swordsman by Celestial Pictures
- Original uncompressed Mandarin mono, plus Cantonese and/or English (where applicable) lossless mono options
- Newly translated English subtitles for each film
- Illustrated 60-page collectors’ booklet featuring new writing by David West, Jonathan Clements and Dylan Cheung, plus cast and crew listings and notes on each film by Ian Jane
- New artwork by Tony Stella, Ilan Sheady, Tom Ralston, Jolyon Yates, Kung Fu Bob and Chris Malbon
- Hours of illuminating bonus features, including feature commentaries on each film, several cast-and-crew interviews from the Frédéric Ambroisine Video Archive, and the rare alternate Korean cut of Killer Constable
- Exclusive CD of music from the De Wolfe Music Library, as heard in The Avenging Eagle and other Shaw Brothers classics


DJariya 06-06-24 03:34 PM

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I'm not going to get it right away. I waited until Volume 2 dropped to $89 before I finally pulled the trigger and it dropped to an all-time low of $79.99 last December.

I'm sure most of you who own the 1st 2 volumes haven't even watched or gone through the entire sets yet.

rocket1312 06-06-24 04:15 PM

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I'm not sure this is really branching out that far from the titles Arrow has already released (like they've hinted at), but this is an awesome set. I think this crosses off just about every title I had left on my "must have" SB list. Not that there aren't dozens (hundreds?) of great choices left, but everything we get after this is mostly gravy to me.

Now if only I could get my hands on the reality stone and fix it so that Arrow wer​​​​​e the ones to have released the Ti Lung/David Chiang collection instead of Shout...

Brian T 06-06-24 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 14434626)
I'm sure most of you who own the 1st 2 volumes haven't even watched or gone through the entire sets yet.

I’ve gone through Vol. 1, but I spread it out over a very long period of time, and I’ll likewise wait for $79 or less since these don’t sell out quickly. Like most genre collections, watching too many at once can dull the passion and, especially with Shaw films, remind you of a certain . . . sameness they sometime share being the product of a single, fairly tightly controlled studio. I suspect this wuxia box (and presumably a horror box?) will be the same. I’ve watched a couple of titles in the second set, mostly for the extras and to try to get through the commentaries. I’ve pretty much got all the titles of the first three boxes on the old HK DVDs (which still look pretty great) and the various U.S. editions from that era, and so for the ones I’ve already watched years back, that makes it a little easier to just let the commentaries play while I’m working or whatever.



Originally Posted by rocket1312 (Post 14434643)
I'm not sure this is really branching out that far from the titles Arrow has already released (like they've hinted at), but this is an awesome set. I think this crosses off just about every title I had left on my "must have" SB list. Not that there aren't dozens (hundreds?) of great choices left, but everything we get after this is mostly gravy to me.

Now if only I could get my hands on the reality stone and fix it so that Arrow wer​​​​​e the ones to have released the Ti Lung/David Chiang collection instead of Shout...

I read (maybe on Reddit?) that Shout is apparently done with Shaw titles now, so presumably they have expiry dates on their licences? Mind you, having bought four of their sets so far (including that Ti Lung + David Chiang set in a recent sale, where it was still frustratingly overpriced) and currently waiting for an autumn/BF sale on Vols. 3 and 4, I doubt I’d re-buy them yet again if Arrow suddenly decided to scoop up the rights and expand their Shawscope series to seven or eight sets. At some point, enough is enough.

Agreed that this wuxia box does present an ideal cross-section of titles (also agreed that wuxia doesn’t branch that far from their other martial arts titles), but there are easily another batch or two that could easily fill a couple more sets, though personally I think they should just do a horror set for Volume 4 and maybe call it a day. Of course, then they’ll announce a Volume 5 and 6! :lol:

Adam Tyner 06-06-24 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 14434626)
I'm sure most of you who own the 1st 2 volumes haven't even watched or gone through the entire sets yet.

I’ve been slower than usual going through box sets, but I was diligent about watching the two ShawScope sets.

Brian T 06-07-24 11:00 AM

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I’m assuming this might be tied to the release of Volume 3, but Arrow just dropped SHAWSCOPE VOL. 2 to $72.50, which seems like a new low for those who’ve been on the fence. This doesn’t seem to be part of a bigger sale, so I don’t know how long it’s active. I mentioned previously in this thread that wishlisting items at Arrow generates price-drop notifications via email and that’s how this came to me (even though I already have the set):
https://www.arrowvideo.com/shawscope.../13941080.html





Adam Tyner 06-07-24 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian T (Post 14434932)
I’m assuming this might be tied to the release of Volume 3, but Arrow just dropped SHAWSCOPE VOL. 2 to $72.50, which seems like a new low for those who’ve been on the fence.

Yeah, it's on sale for the next week to encourage preorders of vol. 3. (And you can drop another 10% with the coupon code ASHLEY, bringing it down to $65.25.)

With this collection, apparently we'll have 115 Shaw titles on BD in the U.S.

PhantomStranger 06-07-24 11:46 PM

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Wow, I hadn't realized so many Shaw films had made it to BD. I remember even as late as 2016 we had virtually nothing.

slop101 06-08-24 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by PhantomStranger (Post 14435236)
Wow, I hadn't realized so many Shaw films had made it to BD. I remember even as late as 2016 we had virtually nothing.

There's also 4 volumes (with more coming) of these sets from Shout....


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