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Old 09-21-16, 03:45 PM
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Exactly how accurate do you want your movies to be when they are released on Blu-ray?

I know that all of you say that you want the movie to be as accurate as possible when buying a movie on Blu-ray, but sometimes I notice that some people complain when the Blu-ray is in fact exactly the same as the film's original theatrical run. For example, at least with past releases of the Back To The Future Trilogy (I'm not sure about the 30th Anniversary Edition) some people seemed annoyed that the "COMING SUMMER 1990" preview for Back To The Future Part III was still included at the end of Back To The Future Part II.

So do you like your Blu-ray to be exactly the same as the film's original theatrical release, or do you like when certain things, like outdated previews and things like that, which were originally part of the film during its theatrical run, are removed for the Blu-ray release?
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Old 09-21-16, 04:00 PM
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I want the movie to look as good as possible, within of course the boundaries of what was already capture on film/digital. In other words I want it to look better than the dumbed down version shown in theaters (unless it was shown in 4K HDR of course, but even then it should look better at home because today TVs are capable of a higher dynamic range than any theater, even Dolby Vision theaters)
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A stray frame or two of porn is acceptable.
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I want George Lucas to add a song and dance number to each movie before home video release.
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My strong preference is to retain what was shown in the theater, including the studio logo versions of the time.

It is not hard for my brain to understand that something like "COMING SUMMER 1990" was applicable at the time of the release.
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I want it EXACTLY the way it was in the theaters- I was annoyed that the first video edition of "Back to the Future" had the "To Be Continued" at the end when it wasn't there originally (it's gone from current editions.) I don't even like it when they remove the blue rating tag at the very end, which seems to be the rule rather than the exception, and changing the opening studio logo is enough for me to not buy a movie at all.
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I always think of "Gremlins 2" where, in the theatre, they made it appear that the gremlins attacked the projection booth causing the film to unspool and burn.

On the VHS edition, the screen flickered and turned to snow as if the gremlins attacked your VCR.

I'm not sure how the DVD or the Blu-ray shows that scene.

Generally I like to see the original studio logos in place although I guess for some theatrical distributors that are no longer financially involved at the home video stage would not have their logo attached or have any association with the film

Certainly not a deal-breaker.
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If I hadn't just read it wouldn't believe it. Getting bent out of shape because the logos are changed or missing?

Unless they are some of the few that dissolve into the movie somehow, I would rather they actually just go away. That includes the many silly CG logos that come before modern movies.

I don't want unintentional missing scenes or dialog. That about covers it when it comes to what would completely keep me from buying a movie on disc, or looking to get a replacement.
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Old 09-22-16, 05:29 AM
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Gremlins 2 pissed me off- the VHS was even letterboxed too, but they had a changed scene. The laserdisc and DVD are still the theatrical version. Opening logos are a part of history, like when Paramount had the "A Gulf+Western Company" byline which thankfully they've kept in all their transfers. Warner Bros. is awful with this, and what's ironic is there's transfers out there which aren't even current anymore- some have the 70s-era "W" replaced with the CG opening but with the "An AOL Time Warner Company" byline- they dropped the "AOL" a few years ago! Just leave the damn things as they are. (United Artists has been doing this since the dawn of home video- even their movies put out in the 70s on the Magnetic Video label have openings altered from the original films. Of course now there's tons of transfers out there whose logos aren't current, but are different from what was there originally.)

I never bought "Aladdin" because of the change in the opening song (people were offended by "Where they cut off your ear if they don't like your face" so it was changed for home video to "Where it's flat and immense and the heat is intense", and obviously isn't sung by Robin Williams.) Premiere Magazine printed a letter I sent them bitching about that (they gave the VHS a "Recommended" rating.)
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee View Post
I want it EXACTLY the way it was in the theaters- I was annoyed that the first video edition of "Back to the Future" had the "To Be Continued" at the end when it wasn't there originally (it's gone from current editions.) I don't even like it when they remove the blue rating tag at the very end, which seems to be the rule rather than the exception, and changing the opening studio logo is enough for me to not buy a movie at all.
Same here. But it won't keep me from buying. I want to see a film presented as if I'm sitting in the theater whenfirst released.
I'll make exceptions for Cinerama and roadshow films where all the edited roadshow footage doesn't exist in same condition as rest of film(Sand Pebbles).
I want the entrance, intermission, and exit music. Ticks me that Where Eagles Dare intermission only appears on full screen print.
I'll cut slack on not having original blue rating, it's cool when there, but hate ratings on pre-ratings films and changed ratings.
Prefer original logos, one I really miss is the United Artists-Transamerica Corporation one, especially on the Bonds.

Speaking of Bond, and the changing of the Back To The Future 3 teaser. Original release of Goldfinger had teaser for On Her Majesty's Secret Service as next film. It was later changed to Thunderball.

There are a lot of films that were originally distributed by a major studio who no longer have a connection with the film and those logos are gone. Can't do much about that. Sometimes still there on broadcast syndication prints.

With foreign films I prefer English language version if it actually was ever released in English, not dubbed for first time for video release. Which brings up something I've always wondered. If a print was dubbed into English, yet retain the titles and credits in native language, what market were they intended for?
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Originally Posted by kefrank View Post
My strong preference is to retain what was shown in the theater, including the studio logo versions of the time.
Same here, unless there was some dispute between the director & studio (Exorcist III, Once Upon a Time in America, Blade Runner, Touch of Evil, etc...) over final cut.

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If I hadn't just read it wouldn't believe it. Getting bent out of shape because the logos are changed or missing?
I would probably say the same thing until I saw The Exorcist with the new orange and blue WB logo. To me it threw off the atmosphere of the intro music.
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I would probably say the same thing until I saw The Exorcist with the new orange and blue WB logo. To me it threw off the atmosphere of the intro music.
Exactly, the Exorcist is the perfect example of this. Since the score starts to play over the studio logo, that image is part of the film and should be retained in my opinion.
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I agree I do like to see the original studio titles as part of the film.
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Re: Exactly how accurate do you want your movies to be when they are released on Blu-

Originally Posted by kefrank View Post
Exactly, the Exorcist is the perfect example of this. Since the score starts to play over the studio logo, that image is part of the film and should be retained in my opinion.
I can buy this example just as I also agreed that if the logo dissolves into the movie it makes sense to keep it rather than switch it to a new, modern version. I believe one of the Indiana Jones movies does that.

But the vast majority of logos are totally superfluous and caring about them seems ridiculous. Especially when many (if not most) disc buyers never saw the movie in the theater and couldn't say first hand if the logos are the same or not.
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Re: Exactly how accurate do you want your movies to be when they are released on Blu-

Things like the BTTF notices are part of the story in my opinion. I'm not completely attached to the studio logos in front of the movies, though there are some examples where they fade into the movie that should be left alone.
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I can buy this example just as I also agreed that if the logo dissolves into the movie it makes sense to keep it rather than switch it to a new, modern version. I believe one of the Indiana Jones movies does that.
Yeah, Raiders is another good example where the Paramount logo dissolves into a directly underlayed image of a mountain peak.

But the vast majority of logos are totally superfluous and caring about them seems ridiculous. Especially when many (if not most) disc buyers never saw the movie in the theater and couldn't say first hand if the logos are the same or not.
For me it's just a preference in the cases where the studio logo is really superfluous. I don't lose any sleep if the studio logo is truly pre-movie and has been updated, but I still prefer the logo of the era if possible. Basically, from the time I initiate the start of the movie itself, I prefer to experience the images and sounds that the theatrical audience did as much as possible. It does add to the experience in my opinion.
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I don't see any reason to change something like the date in BTTF.

I also prefer to retain the original studio logos. 98% of the time I don't remember what they are, but the Fox fanfare has always been part of the original Star Wars films to me.
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Originally Posted by kefrank View Post
Exactly, the Exorcist is the perfect example of this. Since the score starts to play over the studio logo, that image is part of the film and should be retained in my opinion.
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Same here, unless there was some dispute between the director & studio (Exorcist III, Once Upon a Time in America, Blade Runner, Touch of Evil, etc...) over final cut.
Nowadays, with Blu-ray capacity and seamless branching, there's typically little excuse for not including multiple versions for cases like the above.
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I think there is a lot of misguided decisions on the part of the studio as they feel they have to alter a film to suit a modern audience (ie consumer).

It's okay that a logo from 1985 looks like a logo from a 1985 film. Audiences understand that this is part of the historical context of the film and it doesn't require modernization.

The trap sheet cover design is always being modernized rather than sticking with the original one-sheet poster art that best identifies a film.

Movie studios are corporations and corporations are always concerned about their "brand" and what it represents. Brands always have to appear current and progressive, therefore, anything "old" is frowned upon.

It's too bad because most people that want an old film, want to see it in the same way they remember it.
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I never bought "Aladdin" because of the change in the opening song (people were offended by "Where they cut off your ear if they don't like your face" so it was changed for home video to "Where it's flat and immense and the heat is intense", and obviously isn't sung by Robin Williams.)
None of the rest of the song sounds like Robin Williams either.



(Hint: Williams didn't sing that song)
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Exactly as it was in theaters.

Things like The Exorcist have an exact intent w/ everything that isn't part of the first thing tied to narrative to the end of the credits. Sometimes it is part of designing the tone or mood of it all.

Weirds me out when studios do that. WB is the biggest culprit of it. It's annoying as shit cuz it just doesn't fit the film either. Seeing a new logo on some old film? Weird, man.
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The question is rather moot, as most should rightly believe they want the films released onto Blu-Ray(which is an archival format) in the most pristine, utouched form possible. I join what I hope is an increasingly informed and savvy camp which will tolerate no alteration. Specifically, color-grading must be original theatrical, the film should not be 'tinkered' with to suit the Director's moderizing whims.

Sure, "special editions" can and should be released, *but* two copies of the film should be included in such cases: one as authentic as possible to the original theatrical presentation as possible, and the other being 'revised', tweaked, butchered, etc, etc to the current director's whims.

But, we as the paying viewers and fans should at least be given the option to have the film presented as seen theatrically. Many directors are so egoistic that they've denied us the choice. Other times, the studios themselves tinker with the films, eg, in color grading, logos, etc.
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Originally Posted by orangerunner View Post
I always think of "Gremlins 2" where, in the theatre, they made it appear that the gremlins attacked the projection booth causing the film to unspool and burn.

On the VHS edition, the screen flickered and turned to snow as if the gremlins attacked your VCR.

I'm not sure how the DVD or the Blu-ray shows that scene.
I'm not sure either, but the Laserdisc had the original theatrical scene.
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I hate new movie studio logos on older movies, it feels out of place with older movies. Disney is the worst at this.
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