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Old 03-21-16 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Sub-Zero
From what I have read, DVD had it sales peak in 2004, obviously before the introduction of Blu-ray.



http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...06440621142958

Also, I found this sales chart that shows that after 2004, sales of packaged media did begin to "soften":
According to Wikipedia, the BD logo was trademarked in 2001, and the first consumer player was released in 2003. That's not a reaction to poor sales after 2004. And yes, that chart shows 2004 as the peak, but 2005 and 2006 are just barely below that.
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Originally Posted by davidh777
According to Wikipedia, the BD logo was trademarked in 2001, and the first consumer player was released in 2003. That's not a reaction to poor sales after 2004. And yes, that chart shows 2004 as the peak, but 2005 and 2006 are just barely below that.
Thank you for the information. And I agree that the sales for 2005 and 2006 are similar. Please note that I did not say that there was a major decline in sales when Blu-ray was introduced, but that sales of DVD had begun to "soften."

EDIT: Reviewing that first consumer player released in 2003, if Wikipedia is correct:

The first consumer device arrived in stores on April 10, 2003: the Sony BDZ-S77, a $3,800 (US) BD-RE recorder that was made available only in Japan.[17] But there was no standard for prerecorded video, and no movies were released for this player. Hollywood studios insisted that players be equipped with digital rights management before they would release movies for the new format, and they wanted a new DRM system that would be more secure than the failed Content Scramble System (CSS) used on DVDs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray#History_2

Also, the final Blu-ray specification itself wasn't completed until early 2006:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01...ray_spec_done/

Of course I admit that like all consumer products, research and development was done long before the first consumer Blu-ray player was actually released, but by the time the first Blu-ray player was released in mid-2006 there were signs that DVD sales were beginning to slightly soften, which was a major concern to studios.

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Re: Do Blu-ray actually do more harm than good?

Originally Posted by Sub-Zero
And I agree that the sales for 2005 and 2006 are similar. Please note that I did not say that there was a major decline in sales when Blu-ray was introduced, but that sales of DVD had begun to "soften." .
Of course in the corporate world, sales leveling-off is a euphemism for "the sky is falling", even if it is still a multi-billion dollar business.
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Originally Posted by davidh777
According to Wikipedia, the BD logo was trademarked in 2001, and the first consumer player was released in 2003.
There have been two formats called "Blu-ray." The first was a recordable disc released in Japan in the early 2000s. It was largely a failure, but the name was recycled for the precorded Blu-ray format we know today, which was launched in 2006.
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Re: Do Blu-ray actually do more harm than good?

Originally Posted by Sub-Zero
EDIT: Reviewing that first consumer player released in 2003, if Wikipedia is correct:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray#History_2

Also, the final Blu-ray specification itself wasn't completed until early 2006:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01...ray_spec_done/

Of course I admit that like all consumer products, research and development was done long before the first consumer Blu-ray player was actually released, but by the time the first Blu-ray player was released in mid-2006 there were signs that DVD sales were beginning to slightly soften, which was a major concern to studios.
Originally Posted by Josh Z
There have been two formats called "Blu-ray." The first was a recordable disc released in Japan in the early 2000s. It was largely a failure, but the name was recycled for the precorded Blu-ray format we know today, which was launched in 2006.
Either way, the format wasn't created as a reaction to media sales after 2004.

Originally Posted by DthRdrX
Streaming services just replaced the VHS/DVD rental market IMO. New titles still sell well on both DVD and Blu-ray. The catalog titles have suffered, most likely because people get sick of buying the same ones over and over.
I disagree. New titles don't sell as well as they used to. Many people are content to wait till they can stream it for "free."
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Either way, the format wasn't created as a reaction to media sales after 2004.
I completely agree that Blu-ray was not created strictly as a reaction to media sales after 2004, as Blu-ray was obviously being developed by that point. What I did say was that by the time Blu-ray was actually released in mid-2006, DVD sales had been "softening" for nearly two years by that point, and as a result, the decline in DVD sales would have been a factor in the decision to actually release Blu-ray in 2006.
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Originally Posted by Sub-Zero
I completely agree that Blu-ray was not created strictly as a reaction to media sales after 2004, as Blu-ray was obviously being developed by that point. What I did say was that by the time Blu-ray was actually released in mid-2006, DVD sales had been "softening" for nearly two years by that point, and as a result, the decline in DVD sales would have been a factor in the decision to actually release Blu-ray in 2006.
Maybe. I don't know what went into the release schedule. It's true that 2005-2006 being roughly equal to 2004 were a crest after the constant gains of the preceding years (per the aforementioned chart).
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Originally Posted by Sub-Zero
I completely agree that Blu-ray was not created strictly as a reaction to media sales after 2004, as Blu-ray was obviously being developed by that point.
(On a tangent).

Bluray only really started being developed after the blue laser patent disputes were settled.

http://optics.org/article/9657
https://web.archive.org/web/20130420...ngineer05.html

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