Article: Blu-Ray Producers Say Studios Should Shift Expectations About Physical Media
07-19-15 | 06:42 PM
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It's disgusting how studios haven't been called out on this "early digital" scheme- I liken it to when movies were available on DIVX discs before they were on regular DVD. I wonder if the filmmakers even have any say in whether or not this gets done with their movies?
07-19-15 | 06:49 PM
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Called out for what? If people want to see it before it comes out on BD/DVD.... how is that wrong?
07-19-15 | 07:57 PM
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Yeah, and folks will pay, within reason, to see it early. Everyone wins. What's the filmmaker going to say? They already got paid a shitload of money.
07-19-15 | 08:17 PM
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It's like an industry that fears success. You could hand them everything on a golden platter and they would still fuck it up.
With streaming, the movie/tv studios could have EVERYONE paying 50¢ each and every time they watch a movie or TV show. 100% VOD. That's the REAL potential of digital distribution.
Not the best analogy, but have you ever been in a club/bar and watched people pump quarters into the juke box all night long? Multipy that by about 120+ million american households.
Edit: The first time I heard of "digital purchases", I thought, "They don't get it". You don't want to SELL anything online. You want to keep the meter running like gas & electric.
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07-20-15 | 06:30 AM
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Called out for what? If people want to see it before it comes out on BD/DVD.... how is that wrong?
07-20-15 | 06:33 AM
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First digital forced out film, now it's forcing out physical media. It's lousy if your a consumer, but it makes a whole lot of sense if you're running a studio.
07-20-15 | 10:52 AM
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Because they could just as easily have released the discs at the same time they made the movies available for "digital sell-thru", but they're intentionally crippling the physical formats by giving digital an advantage. (And you can't "rent" them through the digital services early either if you just want to see them- they're clearly trying to push people towards digital purchases.) I get that some people actually like to buy their movies that way and they should havhe that choice, but by giving digital this advantage it's clear that the industry wants to move as many people as possible to it.
Besides, it's easier for studios to have the digital files done early. Rather than having to go through the whole chain of replication and distribution, they can just make it available immediately.
07-20-15 | 11:09 AM
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Whether something is overpriced is always relative.
In 1984 I was 11 years old and saved up my paper route money all summer to buy a used copy of Raiders of the Lost Ark from the local video store for $30.
I was over-the-moon at what a deal I got!
At the time movies weren't available at the mall and a blank VHS tape was $15. Minimum wage at the time was probably $3.85/hr, to give you some perspective.
Today, we have $8/month Netflix and one can download anything they want, legal or otherwise.
That $20 you pay for a new release is more than just manufacturing costs, which is probably less than a buck. It pays the actors, director, set decorator, gaffers, "best boys" and everyone else involved in the film.
It also helps in getting new movies made.
Even knowing that, I agree it's tough dropping $20 on a single disc when there are plenty of cheaper alternatives.
In 1984 I was 11 years old and saved up my paper route money all summer to buy a used copy of Raiders of the Lost Ark from the local video store for $30.
I was over-the-moon at what a deal I got!
At the time movies weren't available at the mall and a blank VHS tape was $15. Minimum wage at the time was probably $3.85/hr, to give you some perspective.
Today, we have $8/month Netflix and one can download anything they want, legal or otherwise.
That $20 you pay for a new release is more than just manufacturing costs, which is probably less than a buck. It pays the actors, director, set decorator, gaffers, "best boys" and everyone else involved in the film.
It also helps in getting new movies made.
Even knowing that, I agree it's tough dropping $20 on a single disc when there are plenty of cheaper alternatives.
It's disgusting how studios haven't been called out on this "early digital" scheme- I liken it to when movies were available on DIVX discs before they were on regular DVD. I wonder if the filmmakers even have any say in whether or not this gets done with their movies?
07-20-15 | 01:52 PM
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DVDs will most likely be dying for the next 20 to 30 years.
I'm more concerned about the decline of T&A in movies. Hollywood needs to get back to it's roots and start making more movies like "Under The Skin".
I'm more concerned about the decline of T&A in movies. Hollywood needs to get back to it's roots and start making more movies like "Under The Skin".
07-20-15 | 03:09 PM
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.....they're clearly trying to push people towards digital purchases.) I get that some people actually like to buy their movies that way and they should have that choice, but by giving digital this advantage it's clear that the industry wants to move as many people as possible to it.
Here's a plan:
Everyone's tired of buying my sports cards. I'm only getting $5 for cards that use to easily sell for $20.
So what if I store the cards for my customers and they can look at a "digital" pic of the card whenever they want to see it. And ofcourse pay me $20 again.
Does this sound retarded? WRONG!!! It's the "digital future".
07-20-15 | 03:44 PM
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Next, we should call out studios on their "releasing movies in theaters before disc" scheme!
07-20-15 | 04:27 PM
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And I want to bang Scarlett Johansson. It's wishful thinking.
Here's a plan:
Everyone's tired of buying my sports cards. I'm only getting $5 for cards that use to easily sell for $20.
So what if I store the cards for my customers and they can look at a "digital" pic of the card whenever they want to see it. And ofcourse pay me $20 again.
Does this sound retarded? WRONG!!! It's the "digital future".
Here's a plan:
Everyone's tired of buying my sports cards. I'm only getting $5 for cards that use to easily sell for $20.
So what if I store the cards for my customers and they can look at a "digital" pic of the card whenever they want to see it. And ofcourse pay me $20 again.
Does this sound retarded? WRONG!!! It's the "digital future".
Just like comic books. If I can find the digital equivalent of one I'll use Comixology.
07-20-15 | 04:38 PM
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But selling physical media (for the price of a single theater ticket!) that allows the consumer to view it as many times as he wants is an example of short-term thinking. Sure you make a quick profit for a few years, but then what?
07-20-15 | 04:39 PM
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I'm not surprised. If they have kindle for books, I assumed they would have comics online.
Edit: Just checking out the site. Pretty cool, but holy shit, the prices were giving me a heart attack.
(This should sound familiar) Have you ever tried buying used comics on facebook or craigslist?
I used to buy from the Diamond Distributor at about 60% of cover and barely made a profit. I started buying used comics at 5¢/10¢ each and guys would show up with truck loads. A lot of them were beat up, but I was still blowing them out at 25¢ and cashing in.
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07-20-15 | 05:36 PM
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Good point. Comixology makes more sense than my new "digital card" service.
I'm not surprised. If they have kindle for books, I assumed they would have comics online.
Edit: Just checking out the site. Pretty cool, but holy shit, the prices were giving me a heart attack.
(This should sound familiar) Have you ever tried buying used comics on facebook or craigslist?
I used to buy from the Diamond Distributor at about 60% of cover and barely made a profit. I started buying used comics at 5¢/10¢ each and guys would show up with truck loads. A lot of them were beat up, but I was still blowing them out at 25¢ and cashing in.
I'm not surprised. If they have kindle for books, I assumed they would have comics online.
Edit: Just checking out the site. Pretty cool, but holy shit, the prices were giving me a heart attack.
(This should sound familiar) Have you ever tried buying used comics on facebook or craigslist?
I used to buy from the Diamond Distributor at about 60% of cover and barely made a profit. I started buying used comics at 5¢/10¢ each and guys would show up with truck loads. A lot of them were beat up, but I was still blowing them out at 25¢ and cashing in.
I don't buy all that much from Comixology just the Dredd stuff and am currently reading Mad Max. Never bought comics anywhere outside of comic shops or book stores.
Amazon owns Comixology now, too.
07-20-15 | 06:41 PM
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They just need to make every Blu release amazing. Commentaries, gag reels, trivia tracks, docus, stars promoting said movie on variety shows, everything possible just put it on there. Make it worth it, even to people who don't care about picture quality. I get tired of bare bones blus. Not to long ago I bought Escape From New York on blu only to find out that it had less special features than my fucking VHS copy. Every set should be alien anthology good. Can you imagine the awesome features that would be on the Garbage Pail Kids Movie disc?
07-20-15 | 06:52 PM
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I wouldn't go that far but I enjoy your enthusiasm.
WB seems to be cutting features more and more. Static image for a menu. It was a bitch for them to give menus at all at some point.
WB seems to be cutting features more and more. Static image for a menu. It was a bitch for them to give menus at all at some point.
07-20-15 | 07:34 PM
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I don't care about extras. Just the movie on plain disc, no case, just picture sleeve. $5.00 SOLD
07-20-15 | 08:43 PM
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Isn't that the "couldn't-care-less" consumer attitude that helped reinforce the studio's move to digital?
07-20-15 | 10:23 PM
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orangerunner ....It's interesting that you're so staunch pro-physical media and yet all you want is a generic-looking, stripped-down, no frills, no extras disc in a sleeve.
Not a plain sleeve. A beautiful picture sleeve.
Isn't that the "couldn't-care-less" consumer attitude that helped reinforce the studio's move to digital?
I don't believe so. I think the "we're-tired-of-this-overpriced-shit" consumer attitude reinforced the studio's move to digital.
Not a plain sleeve. A beautiful picture sleeve.
Isn't that the "couldn't-care-less" consumer attitude that helped reinforce the studio's move to digital?
I don't believe so. I think the "we're-tired-of-this-overpriced-shit" consumer attitude reinforced the studio's move to digital.
07-20-15 | 10:32 PM
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There's no point in studios stacking a BD disc with supplements - most people don't care. It's not going to increase sales much at all - certainly not enough to cover the costs for most movies.
07-21-15 | 05:12 AM
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I would rather watch 3 good movies on blu-ray than one movie with 9 hours of extras that require me fucking around with a remote control for most of that time. I prefer a documentary(30 -60 minutes long).
07-21-15 | 06:05 AM
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It's one thing to not want to produce new special features, but it's another to not even bring the features over from the DVD. I mean, seriously, how much extra work is it to throw on the old features? They don't even re-encode old features, do they? And I don't even care if there's no top menu, just throw a quick-and-dirty pop-up menu.
07-21-15 | 11:24 AM
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Quick question. Has the peak of outpouring of new blu-ray releases peaked already?
The reason i ask is. There still many movies such as The Money Pit, Dragnet, The Burbs, Ruthless People, Prety in Pink, After Hours, April Fools Day, Wise Guys and on and on are not out nor preorders) Should i just give up waiting for releases of these, and so much more. And just buy the dvds?
The reason i ask is. There still many movies such as The Money Pit, Dragnet, The Burbs, Ruthless People, Prety in Pink, After Hours, April Fools Day, Wise Guys and on and on are not out nor preorders) Should i just give up waiting for releases of these, and so much more. And just buy the dvds?
07-21-15 | 11:41 AM
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Peak is coming around Summer 2022.
Or buy the DVD's and be happy with those. Or if you have those DVD's already, do a disc to HD digital transfer and be happy with that. Or go European and get them there if you're region free.
Or buy the DVD's and be happy with those. Or if you have those DVD's already, do a disc to HD digital transfer and be happy with that. Or go European and get them there if you're region free.