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Old 04-12-14 | 09:46 PM
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Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22

Sucks that this is barebones. I'll be buying the one in the regular case, which is about half the price of the digibook up here.
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Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22

Originally Posted by Lt Ripley
In the grand scheme of things, it is the film that matters. If Friedkin and this film are that important to you, by the time they release one loaded with extras, if they ever do, you won't miss the $20 you spent on this one.
Agreed. If Friedkin doesn't go mucking with the release like many other directors do and this is a proper remaster (and it sounds like it will be), then it'll totally be worth it.
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Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22

dvdbeaver reviewed this.

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film4/blu-r...er_blu-ray.htm


looks like a winner!

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Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22

That bitrate jumps around a lot.
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Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22

The old 4:3 DVD/new BD screen cap comparison.

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/topi...ay-book/page-3
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Preorder cancelled. Bummer.
Old 04-13-14 | 08:49 PM
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Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22

Originally Posted by Lt Ripley
Preorder cancelled. Bummer.
Really? I think the shots of the new disc look pretty good, all things considered.

Yes, the colors may be a tad over-saturated, but this is nothing like what he did with The French Connection. The old disc was terrible, so I wouldn't hold it up as the standard.
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Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22

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Really? I think the shots of the new disc look pretty good, all things considered.

Yes, the colors may be a tad over-saturated, but this is nothing like what he did with The French Connection. The old disc was terrible, so I wouldn't hold it up as the standard.
Not saying I wont watch it, but I will not out right purchase films that have the teal knob turned up anymore.

EDIT: It is true that this is not as despicable as what was done to Aliens.
Old 04-13-14 | 09:00 PM
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Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22

Well, I don't see the orange/teal thing (which I also hate) here. I see an increase in colors in general, just not any one particular color.
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Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22

Look at the greenish hues on the door behind the guy with the gun. Also notice the greenish hues on the highlights of the gun. It is there.
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Originally Posted by Drexl
Yes, the colors may be a tad over-saturated, but this is nothing like what he did with The French Connection. The old disc was terrible, so I wouldn't hold it up as the standard.
Wasn't The French Connection one of few times when the revisionism was so bad that the outcry was enough to get them to rerelease it properly?

Originally Posted by Lt Ripley
Not saying I wont watch it, but I will not out right purchase films that have the teal knob turned up anymore.
This teal and orange fad needs to stop, and there appears to be no end in sight. How many more films will be butchered this way? And apparently the list of victims is growing ever-longer. That having been said, judging by those screenshots, this doesn't look too bad. Most of the overly green shots actually look like they're in the jungle anyway.

EDIT: It is true that this is not as despicable as what was done to Aliens.
God, I want to get rid of my DVD . In fact, I was talking about that recently.

Originally Posted by Lt Ripley
Look at the greenish hues on the door behind the guy with the gun. Also notice the greenish hues on the highlights of the gun. It is there.
Like I said, it doesn't look like it's anywhere near as pronounced as some other offenders I've seen in screenshots. And this is the only Blu-Ray release of this film we're ever going to get. Hell, that's probably the only Blu-Ray Aliens is ever going to get, or T1.

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Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22

Originally Posted by hanshotfirst1138
Hell, that's probably the only Blu-Ray Aliens is ever going to get.
Shut up.

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Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22

*throws stuff off his desk*

Motherfucking shit. He fucked with the colors.
Old 04-14-14 | 07:18 AM
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Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22

This is a given with Friedkin. I had the same problem with Boys in the Band...some of the greens in that film just scream out for attention.
Old 04-14-14 | 07:38 AM
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Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22

(commenting on the image based on the screencaps)
I wouldn't say the colors have been T&O'd. That is a very specific form of grading that pushes ALL the hues within a given spectrum to a specific greenish blue or yellowish orange. I'm seeing a broader range of colors in the caps than you would get from T&O steering.
See what Ridley Scott did to Thelma and Louise. Blue jeans, southwestern blue skies...a whole range of blues in the film (that were mostly warm or neutral) are now one shade of blue-green. That used to be one of my favorite movies and it's still NEVER had a satisfying video release in 23 years.

As far as Sorcerer goes, though it's pretty obvious that he still monkeyed with the colors. EVERYTHING looks unnaturally over saturated. You may be able to massage a good bit of the effect of this back by adjusting your display settings, but some scenes will always be unnaturally pumped (the smoking wreckage used to look like barren devastation. Now you can enjoy the bright cartoon colors of the various things sprinkled hither and yon). The shot of Scheider after the explosion also looks to be foolishly manipulated. It looks like they adjusted the gamma curve to squeeze inky blacks out of it and make the shot pop.

As far as giving the hyper colors a pass because most of them seem to be greens which emphasize the jungle setting...I just find that head-shakingly sad. To me that amounts to underlining something five times, putting exclamation points after it, and then further drawing arrows just in case your audience is too stupid to pick up on it. The film from what I remember did a fine job with the atmosphere. This is just dumbing it down for the lowest common denominator.

Over saturated cartoon colors and and jacked up contrast (two qualities this disc shares with the Alien Bd) are almost on par to me with T&O grading. Almost, but fortunately not quite.
It's gotten to the point where I would feel stupid calibrating my display because so many titles now require going in an screwing with the settings in an vain attempt to yield a more natural, historically accurate image.
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Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22

And here we go. Guys, give it a rest for another week. Screencaps are not indicative of what the final product will be.

I saw the caps and think it looks good. Great? No, since I haven't seen the actual BD yet, but I'm not going start saying it sucks. Take a chill pill and relax for another week. My pre-order still stands.
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(commenting on the image based on the screencaps) I wouldn't say the colors have been T&O'd. That is a very specific form of grading that pushes ALL the hues within a given spectrum to a specific greenish blue or yellowish orange. I'm seeing a broader range of colors in the caps than you would get from T&O steering. See what Ridley Scott did to Thelma and Louise. Blue jeans, southwestern blue skies...a whole range of blues in the film (that were mostly warm or neutral) are now one shade of blue-green. That used to be one of my favorite movies and it's still NEVER had a satisfying video release in 23 years. As far as Sorcerer goes, though it's pretty obvious that he still monkeyed with the colors. EVERYTHING looks unnaturally over saturated. You may be able to massage a good bit of the effect of this back by adjusting your display settings, but some scenes will always be unnaturally pumped (the smoking wreckage used to look like barren devastation. Now you can enjoy the bright cartoon colors of the various things sprinkled hither and yon). The shot of Scheider after the explosion also looks to be foolishly manipulated. It looks like they adjusted the gamma curve to squeeze inky blacks out of it and make the shot pop. As far as giving the hyper colors a pass because most of them seem to be greens which emphasize the jungle setting...I just find that head-shakingly sad. To me that amounts to underlining something five times, putting exclamation points after it, and then further drawing arrows just in case your audience is too stupid to pick up on it. The film from what I remember did a fine job with the atmosphere. This is just dumbing it down for the lowest common denominator. Over saturated cartoon colors and and jacked up contrast (two qualities this disc shares with the Alien Bd) are almost on par to me with T&O grading. Almost, but fortunately not quite. It's gotten to the point where I would feel stupid calibrating my display because so many titles now require going in an screwing with the settings in an vain attempt to yield a more natural, historically accurate image.
How much could adjusting your settings offset this kind of thing?
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Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22

No features and just the movie with the chapter (or whatever) from his book. Add in that he fucked with the colors.

I really want this film in the highest quality but I don't want to support this. I let the ALIEN set go cuz... Either I didn't know or the cheap ass pricing with the free Prometheus ticket was worth it... Cuz it's an amazing set. I'd say it was both.

Never got T1. But that has an audio issue too.

I don't think I can support this. I MIGHT risk it for $14.99 + Tax. But not $21.21 as of right now, I think.

I got time to kill this preorder.
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Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22

There's always this to fall back on :

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Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22

Screenshots look ok to me. The dvd looked like shit.
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There's always this to fall back on :

Thank goodness Alan Smithee kept 52 copies!!
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Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22



I actually have that VHS!
Old 04-14-14 | 12:19 PM
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Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22

Yeah, enjoy your shitty VHS copy. Get fucking real. Y'all are some whiners and complainers. Sheesh.
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Isn't the first time it's ever been released in widescreen OAR (well, 1.78 as opposed to 1.85, but essentially)? I thought even the old DVD was pan and scan?
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Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22

Originally Posted by Why So Blu?
Yeah, enjoy your shitty VHS copy.
They will. Along with it's teal and orange cover.


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