William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22
#76
DVD Talk Hero
Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22
Sucks that this is barebones. I'll be buying the one in the regular case, which is about half the price of the digibook up here.
#77
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22
Agreed. If Friedkin doesn't go mucking with the release like many other directors do and this is a proper remaster (and it sounds like it will be), then it'll totally be worth it.
#78
DVD Talk Hero
Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22
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#80
DVD Talk Legend
Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22
#82
DVD Talk Legend
Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22
Really? I think the shots of the new disc look pretty good, all things considered.
Yes, the colors may be a tad over-saturated, but this is nothing like what he did with The French Connection. The old disc was terrible, so I wouldn't hold it up as the standard.
Yes, the colors may be a tad over-saturated, but this is nothing like what he did with The French Connection. The old disc was terrible, so I wouldn't hold it up as the standard.
#83
Banned
Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22
EDIT: It is true that this is not as despicable as what was done to Aliens.
#84
DVD Talk Legend
Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22
Well, I don't see the orange/teal thing (which I also hate) here. I see an increase in colors in general, just not any one particular color.
#85
Banned
Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22
Look at the greenish hues on the door behind the guy with the gun. Also notice the greenish hues on the highlights of the gun. It is there.
#86
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EDIT: It is true that this is not as despicable as what was done to Aliens.
. In fact, I was talking about that recently.Like I said, it doesn't look like it's anywhere near as pronounced as some other offenders I've seen in screenshots. And this is the only Blu-Ray release of this film we're ever going to get. Hell, that's probably the only Blu-Ray Aliens is ever going to get, or T1.
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#89
DVD Talk Legend
Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22
This is a given with Friedkin. I had the same problem with Boys in the Band...some of the greens in that film just scream out for attention.
#90
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22
(commenting on the image based on the screencaps)
I wouldn't say the colors have been T&O'd. That is a very specific form of grading that pushes ALL the hues within a given spectrum to a specific greenish blue or yellowish orange. I'm seeing a broader range of colors in the caps than you would get from T&O steering.
See what Ridley Scott did to Thelma and Louise. Blue jeans, southwestern blue skies...a whole range of blues in the film (that were mostly warm or neutral) are now one shade of blue-green. That used to be one of my favorite movies and it's still NEVER had a satisfying video release in 23 years.
As far as Sorcerer goes, though it's pretty obvious that he still monkeyed with the colors. EVERYTHING looks unnaturally over saturated. You may be able to massage a good bit of the effect of this back by adjusting your display settings, but some scenes will always be unnaturally pumped (the smoking wreckage used to look like barren devastation. Now you can enjoy the bright cartoon colors of the various things sprinkled hither and yon). The shot of Scheider after the explosion also looks to be foolishly manipulated. It looks like they adjusted the gamma curve to squeeze inky blacks out of it and make the shot pop.
As far as giving the hyper colors a pass because most of them seem to be greens which emphasize the jungle setting...I just find that head-shakingly sad. To me that amounts to underlining something five times, putting exclamation points after it, and then further drawing arrows just in case your audience is too stupid to pick up on it. The film from what I remember did a fine job with the atmosphere. This is just dumbing it down for the lowest common denominator.
Over saturated cartoon colors and and jacked up contrast (two qualities this disc shares with the Alien Bd) are almost on par to me with T&O grading. Almost, but fortunately not quite.
It's gotten to the point where I would feel stupid calibrating my display because so many titles now require going in an screwing with the settings in an vain attempt to yield a more natural, historically accurate image.
I wouldn't say the colors have been T&O'd. That is a very specific form of grading that pushes ALL the hues within a given spectrum to a specific greenish blue or yellowish orange. I'm seeing a broader range of colors in the caps than you would get from T&O steering.
See what Ridley Scott did to Thelma and Louise. Blue jeans, southwestern blue skies...a whole range of blues in the film (that were mostly warm or neutral) are now one shade of blue-green. That used to be one of my favorite movies and it's still NEVER had a satisfying video release in 23 years.
As far as Sorcerer goes, though it's pretty obvious that he still monkeyed with the colors. EVERYTHING looks unnaturally over saturated. You may be able to massage a good bit of the effect of this back by adjusting your display settings, but some scenes will always be unnaturally pumped (the smoking wreckage used to look like barren devastation. Now you can enjoy the bright cartoon colors of the various things sprinkled hither and yon). The shot of Scheider after the explosion also looks to be foolishly manipulated. It looks like they adjusted the gamma curve to squeeze inky blacks out of it and make the shot pop.
As far as giving the hyper colors a pass because most of them seem to be greens which emphasize the jungle setting...I just find that head-shakingly sad. To me that amounts to underlining something five times, putting exclamation points after it, and then further drawing arrows just in case your audience is too stupid to pick up on it. The film from what I remember did a fine job with the atmosphere. This is just dumbing it down for the lowest common denominator.
Over saturated cartoon colors and and jacked up contrast (two qualities this disc shares with the Alien Bd) are almost on par to me with T&O grading. Almost, but fortunately not quite.
It's gotten to the point where I would feel stupid calibrating my display because so many titles now require going in an screwing with the settings in an vain attempt to yield a more natural, historically accurate image.
#91
DVD Talk Hero
Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22
And here we go. Guys, give it a rest for another week. Screencaps are not indicative of what the final product will be.
I saw the caps and think it looks good. Great? No, since I haven't seen the actual BD yet, but I'm not going start saying it sucks. Take a chill pill and relax for another week. My pre-order still stands.
I saw the caps and think it looks good. Great? No, since I haven't seen the actual BD yet, but I'm not going start saying it sucks. Take a chill pill and relax for another week. My pre-order still stands.
#92
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
(commenting on the image based on the screencaps) I wouldn't say the colors have been T&O'd. That is a very specific form of grading that pushes ALL the hues within a given spectrum to a specific greenish blue or yellowish orange. I'm seeing a broader range of colors in the caps than you would get from T&O steering. See what Ridley Scott did to Thelma and Louise. Blue jeans, southwestern blue skies...a whole range of blues in the film (that were mostly warm or neutral) are now one shade of blue-green. That used to be one of my favorite movies and it's still NEVER had a satisfying video release in 23 years. As far as Sorcerer goes, though it's pretty obvious that he still monkeyed with the colors. EVERYTHING looks unnaturally over saturated. You may be able to massage a good bit of the effect of this back by adjusting your display settings, but some scenes will always be unnaturally pumped (the smoking wreckage used to look like barren devastation. Now you can enjoy the bright cartoon colors of the various things sprinkled hither and yon). The shot of Scheider after the explosion also looks to be foolishly manipulated. It looks like they adjusted the gamma curve to squeeze inky blacks out of it and make the shot pop. As far as giving the hyper colors a pass because most of them seem to be greens which emphasize the jungle setting...I just find that head-shakingly sad. To me that amounts to underlining something five times, putting exclamation points after it, and then further drawing arrows just in case your audience is too stupid to pick up on it. The film from what I remember did a fine job with the atmosphere. This is just dumbing it down for the lowest common denominator. Over saturated cartoon colors and and jacked up contrast (two qualities this disc shares with the Alien Bd) are almost on par to me with T&O grading. Almost, but fortunately not quite. It's gotten to the point where I would feel stupid calibrating my display because so many titles now require going in an screwing with the settings in an vain attempt to yield a more natural, historically accurate image.
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Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22
No features and just the movie with the chapter (or whatever) from his book. Add in that he fucked with the colors.
I really want this film in the highest quality but I don't want to support this. I let the ALIEN set go cuz... Either I didn't know or the cheap ass pricing with the free Prometheus ticket was worth it... Cuz it's an amazing set. I'd say it was both.
Never got T1. But that has an audio issue too.
I don't think I can support this. I MIGHT risk it for $14.99 + Tax. But not $21.21 as of right now, I think.
I got time to kill this preorder.
I really want this film in the highest quality but I don't want to support this. I let the ALIEN set go cuz... Either I didn't know or the cheap ass pricing with the free Prometheus ticket was worth it... Cuz it's an amazing set. I'd say it was both.
Never got T1. But that has an audio issue too.
I don't think I can support this. I MIGHT risk it for $14.99 + Tax. But not $21.21 as of right now, I think.
I got time to kill this preorder.
#96
Banned by request
#98
DVD Talk Hero
Re: William Friedkin's Sorcerer - April 22
Yeah, enjoy your shitty VHS copy. Get fucking real. Y'all are some whiners and complainers. Sheesh.
#100
DVD Talk Gold Edition




Shut up.
