Robocop (remastered) - 21/1/14
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Re: Robocop (remastered) - 21/1/14
The UC shocked me in that they showed the rest of the arm blow off. I had always assumed it was just a simple progression in his destruction... But no, they really made Murphy hurt. The other bits didn't do much for me. Didn't hurt the film but it also didn't improve it for me. Maybe it was just the quality of those bits that didn't make an impact for me.
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I think I also prefer the TC shots instead of the alternate shots in the UC. I'm so used to them that the extensions don't affect me as much as the alternate shots do.
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Ah, it's the unrated cut, life is good! I too would prefer both cuts, but I'd rather it be the unrated and not the theatrical than vice-versa. The remaining question, of course, is how will the restoration look and what ratio will they use? Now if only they could get to work on a 4K remaster of Predator, like Solid Snake said, then life would be good. How is the first Blu release? Better than the Ultimate Hunter Edition, I assume, but was the quality still subpar?
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The original BD for Predator was alright. It wasn't cleaned up. So it was kind of rough but very true to the original visuals of the film. No features aside from the trailer.
It could be better but it sure as hell isn't fucked in the ass and pushed down into an alleyway like that Ultimate edition was. Damn thing lost all the visual grit of the era and setting.
It could be better but it sure as hell isn't fucked in the ass and pushed down into an alleyway like that Ultimate edition was. Damn thing lost all the visual grit of the era and setting.
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35mm is dead, long live 35mm. How Fox could mess it up that badly is beyond me. Incidentally, I just revisited the second film on the advice of Josh Z. It wasn't as bad as I remembered it being.
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Well the cover is better than the other one.
Still wish they could just use the poster art for it. That poster has aged very fucking well in staying badass. It's simple action but oh so awesome.
Still wish they could just use the poster art for it. That poster has aged very fucking well in staying badass. It's simple action but oh so awesome.
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Re: Robocop (remastered) - 21/1/14
I hope this remaster retains the steel grey, desaturated look of the Ciriterion DVD. I hated how the colors were boosted in all subsequent releases.
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Re: Robocop (remastered) - 21/1/14
Even when I was a kid and didn't know squat about films and transfers (Some would argue I still don't ), I was struck by the bluish tints and the stylish Adam Greenberg lighting in that movie. And now Cameron has gone and and completely changed the film just because he can. Great.
Yeah, the George Lucas effect, to "improve" something or take it back "what was originally intended" after its been ingrained in the culture as a specific thing. The dark side of technology. Ironic that such big sci-fi films warning against technology would be the biggest victims, isn't it? I assume it's been done to all Blu releases of the film across regions?
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Re: Robocop (remastered) - 21/1/14
Yeah, the George Lucas effect, to "improve" something or take it back "what was originally intended" after its been ingrained in the culture as a specific thing. The dark side of technology. Ironic that such big sci-fi films warning against technology would be the biggest victims, isn't it? I assume it's been done to all Blu releases of the film across regions?
People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians, and if the laws of the United States continue to condone this behavior, history will surely classify us as a barbaric society. The preservation of our cultural heritage may not seem to be as politically sensitive an issue as “when life begins” or “when it should be appropriately terminated,” but it is important because it goes to the heart of what sets mankind apart. Creative expression is at the core of our humanness. Art is a distinctly human endeavor. We must have respect for it if we are to have any respect for the human race.
These current defacements are just the beginning. Today, engineers with their computers can add color to black-and-white movies, change the soundtrack, speed up the pace, and add or subtract material to the philosophical tastes of the copyright holder. Tommorrow, more advanced technology will be able to replace actors with “fresher faces,” or alter dialogue and change the movement of the actor’s lips to match. It will soon be possible to create a new “original” negative with whatever changes or alterations the copyright holder of the moment desires. The copyright holders, so far, have not been completely diligent in preserving the original negatives of films they control. In order to reconstruct old negatives, many archivists have had to go to Eastern bloc countries where American films have been better preserved.
In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.
There is nothing to stop American films, records, books, and paintings from being sold to a foreign entity or egotistical gangsters and having them change our cultural heritage to suit their personal taste.
These current defacements are just the beginning. Today, engineers with their computers can add color to black-and-white movies, change the soundtrack, speed up the pace, and add or subtract material to the philosophical tastes of the copyright holder. Tommorrow, more advanced technology will be able to replace actors with “fresher faces,” or alter dialogue and change the movement of the actor’s lips to match. It will soon be possible to create a new “original” negative with whatever changes or alterations the copyright holder of the moment desires. The copyright holders, so far, have not been completely diligent in preserving the original negatives of films they control. In order to reconstruct old negatives, many archivists have had to go to Eastern bloc countries where American films have been better preserved.
In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.
There is nothing to stop American films, records, books, and paintings from being sold to a foreign entity or egotistical gangsters and having them change our cultural heritage to suit their personal taste.
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Re: Robocop (remastered) - 21/1/14
One question, though. Was George Lucas testifying against the tinkering done by third parties (like those who own the rights to a given film) or was he also against filmmakers altering their own works? That could be the difference for him and would mean he's not a hypocrite.
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Re: Robocop (remastered) - 21/1/14
Here's the special features of that disc:
Q&A With the Filmmakers (2012)
Flesh and Steel: The Making of Robocop
1987 Featurette: Shooting Robocop
1987 Featurette: Making Robocop
The Boardroom: Storyboard with Commentary by Animator Phil Tippett
Deleted Scenes
Villains of Old Detroit
Special Effects: Then and Now
Robocop: Creating a Legend
Paul Verhoeven Easter Egg
Commentary with Director Paul Verhoeven, Writer Ed Neumeier and Executive Producer Jon Davison
Theatrical Trailer
TV Spot
Q&A With the Filmmakers (2012)
Flesh and Steel: The Making of Robocop
1987 Featurette: Shooting Robocop
1987 Featurette: Making Robocop
The Boardroom: Storyboard with Commentary by Animator Phil Tippett
Deleted Scenes
Villains of Old Detroit
Special Effects: Then and Now
Robocop: Creating a Legend
Paul Verhoeven Easter Egg
Commentary with Director Paul Verhoeven, Writer Ed Neumeier and Executive Producer Jon Davison
Theatrical Trailer
TV Spot
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