majorjoe23

Shout Factory is putting out a special edition Blu ray/DVD combo with an EPK and two documentaries. I'm hoping the deleted host segments and scenes from the movie also make the cut.

There are more details on mst3kinfo.com:

Here’s what Shout is telling us now:

* They’re releasing a collector’s edition Blu-ray/DVD combo. Both discs will have identical content. The cover will be the original theatrical poster; and it’ll have a reverse cover with new art from Steve Vance.

* There may be more extras, but these are the extras that are definite:
– The Making of Mystery Science Theater 3000 The Movie (the EPK that fans have probably seen around)
– Two new docs from Ballyhoo: “Mystery Science Theater 3000 The Movie: The Motion Picture Odyssey” (including new interviews with cast and crew and never-before-seen behind the scenes footage) and “This Island Earth: 2 1/2 Years In the Making.”
– Original theatrical trailer.

http://www.mst3kinfo.com/?p=15558#comments

milo bloom

Even a standard def dump from videotape of the original cut would do it for me, as it is I'm not really interested in a third purchase of this.

E Unit

It's the Brak Show!

DJLinus

Definite buy for me since I never upgraded my VHS copy to DVD.

Spottedfeather

If this is going to be DTS, then it's a huge no sale for me.

Adam Tyner

I don't understand. Are you sidestepping all discs that use DTS-HD Master Audio (I'm not sure what else you could mean by "DTS")? If you are, wouldn't that prevent you from buying somewhere around 98% of the Blu-ray releases that come out anymore?

Lastdaysofrain

he means "Direct To Syria", seems like more discs are being released that way. I can understand why he wouldn't want to travel over there to pick it up.

sb5

Posted on Ballyhoo's Facebook page (credit to Troy's Dad at http://forrestcrow.proboards.com/)

https://www.facebook.com/ballyhoomotionpictures

milo bloom

We'll that certainly makes it more tempting, at least as long as more than just a few minutes worth.

Spottedfeather

I HATE DTS-HD Master Audio. The dynamic range is just ridiculous. At least that I've noticed, the range isn't there in the theaters. I just saw Jurassic Park in 3D. Could hear the voices just fine over the effects. But at home, the effects far overpower the dialogue. I just don't get why they mix DTS-HD that way. Doesn't make sense. Keep the ranger of the effects and music, but raise the dialogue up a lot more than you do.

No, I don't avoid blu-rays that have dts....if I don't know about it beforehand. Sometimes, I will get excited about a movie that came out before DTS existed and buy it because I've loved it for years. But then when I look at the back of the cover, it says DTS-HD Master Audio. Which is what's bugged me about Bean the movie and The Rocketeer. The dialogue in both of those movies, as it is in 99% of the DTS blu-rays that I have, is mixed FAR too low in comparison to the effects and music. Again, it just doesn't make sense.

An example is the Incredibles blu-ray. I love the movie and was disappointed that it said DTS-HD Master Audio. But when I was futzing around with the menus, I found that it also had a Dolby Surround track...thank goodness. Sounds amazing, and get this...I could hear the dialogue properly without the explosions and music suddenly punching me in the face.

I can mix the audio so that the receiver reads it as normal 5.1 audio, which will let me use the night mode. Unfortunately, it's either on or off since it's not a real Dolby stream. But it's the only way that I can enjoy the DTS movies. Luckily, I rarely notice any weird audio issues from this.

Also luckily, most of the kind of movies that I collect give the movies their proper audio mixes. If it was released in Dolby 5.1, then the blu-ray of the movie should have Dolby 5.1. The classic Disney movies seem to understand this by giving us the choice of DTS-HD or the normal audio.

Studios, please stop mixing the dialogue so low. If you want to put DTS, fine. But at least give us the choice of a more properly mixed track.

rocket1312

I'm not a sound expert or anything, but DTS-HD is just a codec used to encode audio tracks. It has nothing to do with the way tracks are mixed. If you have a problem with the way a track sounds, then it's most likely a problem with your sound set up. If it's not your sound system and it really is a bad mix, then the fact that is DTS is irrelevant. If the same bad mix was encoded in Dolby TrueHD, it would probably sound exactly the same.

bunkaroo

I've decided to boycott this release because it will probably use too many "0" bits and not enough "1"'s. That seems rational, I think.

Spottedfeather

It IS that it's DTS-HD Master Audio that's the problem. I've had the dvd of Jurassic Park, with Dolby 5.1, for years. You can hear the dialogue just fine. Same with Bean The Movie and every other dvd I have. The dvds have pretty much perfect volume for the dialogue. But the blu-rays's effects and music knock you to the ground and you can barely heard the dialogue. Every DTS track I've ever heard has the dialogue mixed far too low. It's not the levels of the effects and music that's the problem. It's that the dialogue can barely be heard if you have the effects and music at their proper level.

My sound setup is just fine and I have my speakers set up the way they're supposed to be set up according to every guide that I've seen. TrueHD sounds just about perfect. As does Dolby 5.1. It's only DTS-HD Master Audio that I have a problem with.

I understand that DTS-HD is a codec and that if the same bad mix was encoded in TrueHD, it would sound just as bad. But I've never encountered a bad TrueHD mix. I can always hear the dialogue just fine in TrueHD. It's always DTS that has bad mixes.

rocket1312

Well I suppose I can't comment because I don't own the discs you mention nor do I know what equipment you are using, but I will say that I've never had a problem with DTS-MA and it's not like DTS is doing the actual mixing or anything. I know DTS tracks are often mastered at an overall louder level than Dolby, but if you turn down the volume, their relative levels should be the same.

What about blu-rays with DTS-MA 1.0 or 2.0 tracks? Do you have a problem with those?

Spottedfeather

If I turn down the volume, sure the effects are lower in volume, but the dialogue is too. DTS mixes tend to be way out of balance when compared to other mixes. The dialogue is constantly too low compared to the effects and music. Before turning down the audio, I can barely hear the dialogue. But if I was to turn down the volume, the effects would be fine but I wouldn't be able to hear the dialogue at all.

I don't know about blu-rays with DTS-MA 1.0. I don't have any. I do have a blu-ray with DTS-MA 2.0. Clash Of The Titans. Aside from one moment, when the Kraken pops out of the water and the roar is massively loud, the mix is just fine. It's DTS surround mixes that are the problem. As I've said, dialogue is FAR too low for anyone to enjoy the movie.

bunkaroo

If I weren't being ignored , I'd say detail your whole setup, models of player and receiver, how they're connected (HDMI, optical, coaxial) and go from there. This is 100% a setup problem. That or every reviewer out there is a pathological liar.

Spottedfeather

I have a Onkyo R-391. My player is a Magnavox magnavox nb500mg9. An HDMI cable connects the player to the receiver. As I've mentioned, Dolby 5.1 are both perfect sounding. The only DTS-HD Master Audio that I can stand are the older movies (pre 1989) that were originally Dolby mixes.

Pizza

I was going to post the same thing. It's definitely his set-up. I actually prefer DTS.

As for this release, I hope the deleted scenes are actually added back into the film and are not presented on their own.

bunkaroo

Someone peeked again. Given the brand of player, that's prime suspect #1.

bunkaroo

So that receiver is part of a $300 home theater in a box. Nothing against affordable solutions, but I'm not sure I'd use that to form an informed opinion on how good or bad the audio is on any disc let alone impugn the codec used by the majority of Blu-ray's.

Jay G.

It sounds like it's a problem with dynamic range. Movies with high dynamic range like to make the dialogue low in talking scenes compared to the sound effects in an action scene. It's likely that the audio is identical to that in a movie theater, but you're not as concerned with it because the theater has the volume set at the perfect level for these variable levels of audio throughout the film, and you're in a more immersive environment and so don't notice, and simply just enjoy, the jumps in volume during action scenes.

Typically, receivers have a mode to compress dynamic range, so that the difference between the loudest and quietest moment in a film are reduced. Looking at the manual for your Onkyo HT-R391, this setting is called "Late Night," and only works with Dolby tracks, not DTS:
http://www.intl.onkyo.com/downloads/...0_manual_e.pdf
From those notes, It looks like it applies Late Night mode by default to Dolby sources. So the problem is related to DTS, but it's not the fault of DTS, it's the fault of your receiver.

Spottedfeather

It's on Auto by default for TrueHD, not regular Dolby. This receiver is what I could afford at the time, but I really want to save up for one with Audyssey, as I've heard that you can do some sort of DRC for DTS tracks with that. Is that true ? And what receivers can do compression for DTS ?

I've just read about a Pioneer 1020k that apparently has something called Automatic Level Control. All I want is a receiver that can do some sort of DRC on DTS tracks.

Jay G.

It looks like Automatic Level Control is something else; it's for maintaining the same volume level when switching between sources.

That said, the Pioneer VSX-1020-K does have DRC that works with DTS. From the manual:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/St...ctions0928.pdf

Spottedfeather

This is great news. Now, I just have to save up the money to get a proper receiver.

jdslater1

I hate to get back to the topic of this release but quite looking forward to the making of This Island Earth.

Always been one one of my fave B-movies.