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Old 04-04-12 | 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by CRM114
I don't know what I'm more thrilled about: finally getting Lawrence on blu-ray or seeing it on the big screen.
Well, if it's in 70mm, then you should be more excited about the big screen, but if it's projected video ala 'Taxi Driver', then get excited about buying the Blu-ray and watching at home.
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Originally Posted by Gerry P.
Well, if it's in 70mm, then you should be more excited about the big screen, but if it's projected video ala 'Taxi Driver', then get excited about buying the Blu-ray and watching at home.
in70mm says the theatrical release will be 2K and 4K DCP digital and 70mm (but I don't get the sense it's written in stone though)

and for the record the 'Taxi Driver' presentation was 4K DCP release - not projected video.
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Originally Posted by Giles
for the record the 'Taxi Driver' presentation was 4K DCP release - not projected video.
For the record, projected video is precisely what a 4K DCP release is.
Old 04-05-12 | 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Doctorossi
For the record, projected video is precisely what a 4K DCP release is.
yes, but it's more commonly referred to as 'digital projection' ... say projected video and you run the risk of confusing people that it a bluray or worse, DVD being thrown onto the screen, which some theaters have been known to do.
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yes, but it's more commonly referred to as 'digital projection' ... say projected video and you run the risk of confusing people that it a bluray or worse, DVD being thrown onto the screen, which some theaters have been known to do.
So, if Levi's are more commonly referred to as jeans, it's inaccurate to call them pants?
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So, if Levi's are more commonly referred to as jeans, it's inaccurate to call them pants?
correct ...
Old 04-06-12 | 01:21 PM
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I know at least one person in the industry who objects to the description of digital photography or digital projection as "video." While it may sound like semantics to us, there are technically a lot of differences between the two. Calling it "data" is more accurate.
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Originally Posted by CRM114
I don't know what I'm more thrilled about: finally getting Lawrence on blu-ray or seeing it on the big screen.
I think this is big enough to be excited by both
Old 04-06-12 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Superdaddy
Given Sony's track record, I agree that everyone has the right to expect nothing less than the best presentation of this masterpiece.
Actually if I take Sony's track record into account I have every reason to doubt the quality of the Blu. Their first release of Lawrence on DVD was crummy, only on the Superbit did they do a proper job with the colors, then the Superbit disapeard and for years they've only sold a one disc barebones version of the original crummy transfer.

I'll wait for the reviews on this one, and since all home video reivews now completely suck I'll wait to hear the chatter on the forums and I'll especially wait to hear what Robert A Harris has to say.

After buying this twice on DVD I don't think I'll upgrade at all. I swore long ago that you really can't do the film any justice at home. I have an 84" screen and it still doesn't look like it should. It really must be seen on the big screen.
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Found this quoted over at IMDb:
Lawrence of Arabia which had been scanned in at 8K resolution (to ensure the highest capture of detail from the film’s large-format 65mm negative) and then taken down to 4K for the workflow, was even more revealing. A close-up of Peter O’Toole’s face jumped off the screen compared with the earlier 2K master, thanks to the more detailed texture of his skin and the sharper reproduction of the layer of dust partially coating his face. A longer shot from Lawrence that was also taken in the desert showed a series of fine concentric lines near the top of the frame in a pattern reminiscent of a fingerprint. These, (Grover) Crisp explained, are cracks in the film emulsion caused by its melting in the desert heart and then healing over. The Lines have always been there in the negative and result in an unusual rippling artifact when viewing the movie, but until now there hasn’t been a way to fix it. We’ve never been able to see this kind of detail before – it’s always been kind of submerged, he says, but now with this 8K scan it’s more obvious, Sony commissioned a third party to develop software to minimize or eliminate this distracting artifact for the restored version, which is due out on blu-ray and in theaters later this year

- Home Theater (February 2012 Vol. 19 No. 2) “Hollywood the 4K Way” by Rob Sabin
Why fix it? It's part of the actual photography of the film. We're going way past restoration and into recreation. Disney is apparently "fixing" 20,000 Leagues to "fix" some artifacts created by early anamorphic lenses. What's wrong with these restoration people?
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I don't understand how these lines would be more "obvious" after an 8K scan than they would be from the original 65mm film when new - the film is a much higher resolution.
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I saw the film in 70mm in 1989 as a kid, and haven't seen it since (pointless on a television), so I'm looking forward to the theatrical revival. I'll probably hold off on the Blu-ray until I upgrade my 50-inch plasma to a 65, hopefully next year, funds permitting.
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I don't understand how these lines would be more "obvious" after an 8K scan than they would be from the original 65mm film when new - the film is a much higher resolution.
It isn't, actually. There's not a lot of spatial resolution difference between an 8K scan and what's likely on the negative. Meanwhile, there's a very big difference between that scan and what you would see on a 70mm print in even the best of circumstances.
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Actually if I take Sony's track record into account I have every reason to doubt the quality of the Blu. Their first release of Lawrence on DVD was crummy, only on the Superbit did they do a proper job with the colors, then the Superbit disapeard and for years they've only sold a one disc barebones version of the original crummy transfer.

I'll wait for the reviews on this one, and since all home video reivews now completely suck I'll wait to hear the chatter on the forums and I'll especially wait to hear what Robert A Harris has to say.

After buying this twice on DVD I don't think I'll upgrade at all. I swore long ago that you really can't do the film any justice at home. I have an 84" screen and it still doesn't look like it should. It really must be seen on the big screen.
I am speaking of their BD track record (not their DVD history). I have not been seriously disappointed by a Sony BD yet (mildly disappointed by one out of several dozen I own). I have the first DVD release of Lawrence and am aware of the poor color timing. I do not own any other release.

Now, having seen a projected 70mm print of LOA on a large screen, if you are saying that ANY home video experience of this film is likely a compromise, I'll certainly agree with that. Considering the rarity of such theatrical viewings though, a BD of comparable quality to their best previous efforts is welcome to me, so that I'll be able to freely watch this movie at least a few more times before shuffling off the mortal coil.
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Originally Posted by Mabuse
Found this quoted over at IMDb:
Why fix it? It's part of the actual photography of the film. We're going way past restoration and into recreation. Disney is apparently "fixing" 20,000 Leagues to "fix" some artifacts created by early anamorphic lenses. What's wrong with these restoration people?
This is where I could go either way.

I know of the marks on the image they are talking about; they were readily visible in the 70mm screening and on the old DVD. But they do not result from a photographic process; they result from damage to the film. It's fine with me if they leave them in; if they fix it and do a crappy job of it, I won't be happy. But if they fix it and do a good job of it, I won't complain.

Removing anamorphic artifacts is more troubling to me, since these are due to the actual photographic process.
Old 04-08-12 | 12:58 PM
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I've never seen this before, so I will hold out for a 70 mm presentation.
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When Robert Harris was restoring "Lawrence of Arabia" several years ago he asked David Lean whether he wanted him to try to fix the thermal damage. After some thought, Lean said they should leave it alone. I believe it's discussed in the documentary on the DVD.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Salty
When Robert Harris was restoring "Lawrence of Arabia" several years ago he asked David Lean whether he wanted him to try to fix the thermal damage. After some thought, Lean said they should leave it alone. I believe it's discussed in the documentary on the DVD.
I would hope that Harris is in the loop about the upcoming BD release. Based on reading his posts as HTF, he seems to be but probably can't reveal too many details while this is still upcoming.

Haven't watched that documentary in ages. If Lean wanted the damage to remain, that's good enough for me.
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Originally Posted by Superdaddy
If Lean wanted the damage to remain, that's good enough for me.
He may have wanted it to remain, in the abstract. However, he may have only preferred it to whatever alternative they thought they'd be able to accomplish at the time.
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Originally Posted by Superdaddy
I am speaking of their BD track record (not their DVD history). I have not been seriously disappointed by a Sony BD yet
Ghostbusters was a serious cock-up from Sony.
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Originally Posted by Doctorossi
He may have wanted it to remain, in the abstract. However, he may have only preferred it to whatever alternative they thought they'd be able to accomplish at the time.
No, he wanted it to remain because it was part of the history of the film and what they went through to make it.
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No, he wanted it to remain because it was part of the history of the film and what they went through to make it.
Is that motive specified or supposed?
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Originally Posted by Doctorossi
Is that motive specified or supposed?
Specified.
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Originally Posted by Josh Z
Ghostbusters was a serious cock-up from Sony.
in what way?

personally I find the grainy to be ultra distracting and ugly, but it was supposedly meant to be seen that way, I don't remember the 70mm (35 blowup) presentation looking that shoddy.
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Originally Posted by Josh Z
Ghostbusters was a serious cock-up from Sony.
Yes, I never claimed they were perfect...I said the same thing when you posted this exact comment in the Monty Python thread...

Doesn't change my perception that they are the best of the majors. I wish I were happy with 90% of my Universal discs, like I am with Sony.


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