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Matthew Chmiel 03-30-12 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 11172747)
When I saw Ghost Protocol at a Digital IMAX, the "opening up" from 2.35:1 to 2:1 was so negligible that I doubt anyone in the audience noticed it unless they were specifically looking for it.
You're wrong.

There are a few digital IMAX screens that exist that in the original 1.44:1 aspect ratio and there's been a few films to play in that OAR since IMAX has shifted gears to digital (such as Born to be Wild 3D). However, those screens are few and far between. The rest, like other digital projectors, has an OAR of 1.89:1.

I saw the same film in a ten-year-old IMAX theater that just did the change to digital and it was easy to tell the moments it changed from 2.35:1 to 1.89:1. If you saw the film in what was conceived from the start to be a digital IMAX theater, than yes, it's not going to be a worthwhile experience.

Doctorossi 03-30-12 01:30 PM
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The IMAX theatrical projection aspect ratio is actually a range of ratios. Regardless, following the established tradition built upon the philosophy of the IMAX format, the footage, if opened up, would have been transferred at 1.78:1. The distinction between 2.39:1 and 1.78:1 is plenty evident.

RocShemp 03-30-12 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Doctorossi (Post 11172871)
The distinction between 2.39:1 and 1.78:1 is plenty evident.
Which is why I was really hoping for shifting aspect ratios.

Matthew Chmiel 03-30-12 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Doctorossi (Post 11172871)
The IMAX theatrical projection aspect ratio is actually a range of ratios. Regardless, following the established tradition built upon the philosophy of the IMAX format, the footage, if opened up, would have been transferred at 1.78:1. The distinction between 2.39:1 and 1.78:1 is plenty evident.
Until films became DMR'd, the OAR for films shot and shown in IMAX was always 1.44:1.

When Disney released Beauty and the Beast, Fantasia 2000, The Lion King, and Treasure Planet in the beginning of the millenium, they were newly created 70mm IMAX prints and did not have to go through the Digital Media Remastering process from IMAX.

Everything else since then has.

Apollo 13 was the first one up and not only had 25 minutes removed, but was cropped from 2.35:1 to 1.44:1 to take full advantage of the IMAX aspect ratio. When Attack of the Clones came out in IMAX a few months later, 22 minutes were removed, but it was the first DMR processed title to retain its 2.35:1 aspect ratio. [The Disney films all had aspect ratios of 1.66:1 or 1.85:1.]

Almost a year later, when platter sizes were increased, The Matrix sequels retained their running times and OAR of 2.35:1 and the last sequel was the first DMR title to have an IMAX release day-and-date with its theatrical release date and set the standard for IMAX DMR films to come.

Speed Racer was the first IMAX DMR release created digitally. However, I saw it both times in separate IMAX theaters in 70mm. The first time was in an auditorium specifically created for IMAX digital (it finally got the digital projector at the beginning of 2009). The second screening just became a digital IMAX venue since the release of Super 8.

Most IMAX DMR'd films are getting released digital only anyways. In 2011, 10 out of 25 DMR films were released in digital only.

In 2012? So far, 3 out of 7 were released digital only. Nobody knows if Titanic will be digital only in part due to the film's running time, but The Avengers, the next Resident Evil sequel, and Frankenweenie will be digital only.

Of course, for the time being, there are a handful (fifty locations are so) that can't go digital due to the size of the IMAX screen. Those locations will go digital when IMAX begins its rollout of their Kodak laser projectors which will replace ALL 70mm projectors AND ALL current digital setups.

RobLutter 03-30-12 02:41 PM
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Its going to be a sad day when all IMAX is digital... seeing as most of the theaters around here are already 4k.

Matthew Chmiel 03-30-12 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by RobLutter (Post 11172959)
Its going to be a sad day when all IMAX is digital... seeing as most of the theaters around here are already 4k.
Yeah, IMAX digital should've used 2 4K projectors rather than 2 2K projectors.

There was a test of a laser projector in January and the specifications on it were:

• 600 optical watts of laser power (Total R+G+B)
• Laser light is coupled to the existing integration rod in a conventional DP 4K-32B optical core.
• 1.38-inch DLP 4K DMD with an illuminated area is 4096 X 2160 pixels was used.
• Contrast of 2,300:1
• The wide color gamut of the laser was mapped to a standard digital cinema P3 color gamut for the demo.
• Everything was self-contained in one projector cabinet 30" wide X 36" high X 60" long (76 x 91 x 152 cm). This includes the lasers and the laser drivers.
• Astandard projection lens was used, with no optical modifications done on the output side of the DLP optical core.
• The demo was shown on a 70 foot (21.3M) wide Harkness matte screen (1.0 gain) at a light level of 22fL. 22 fL on a gain 1.0 screen area of 2,560 sq. ft. (238M2), corresponds to 56,980 Lumens.
• Pictures were excellent, with especially good uniformity and resolution across the full screen.
• There was no observed chromatic aberration in the image.
• By all reports, speckle was not an issue. Even experienced observers could not see speckle in color bars showing the P3 color gamut. When color bars showing the full laser gamut were shown, the speckle in the green bar was visible although still not objectionable. Barco acknowledges speckle is objectionable on a silver screen for 3D, however.
• A retrofit program for existing digital cinema projectors is thought to be necessary by Barco, and product development is including that option.
• The demonstration was not a product yet.
There are rumors the laser projection system IMAX will use might be 2 4K laser projectors, but nothing is confirmed until IMAX unveils what the final projector system will look like... and that might be a year, or longer, out.

Doctorossi 03-30-12 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Matthew Chmiel (Post 11172952)
Until films became DMR'd, the OAR for films shot and shown in IMAX was always 1.44:1.
The exposure/taking ratio is 1.44:1. Installed screens vary between roughly 1.44:1 and 2.0:1 to best take advantage of the theatres' differing architectures, vis-a-vis the philosophical objective which is to extend the field of view beyond the limits of the audience's peripheral vision and thus, in effect, present no aspect ratio at all.

Matthew Chmiel 03-30-12 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Doctorossi (Post 11172992)
The exposure/taking ratio is 1.44:1. Installed screens vary between roughly 1.44:1 and 2.0:1 to best take advantage of the theatres' differing architectures, vis-a-vis the philosophical objective which is to extend the field of view beyond the limits of the audience's peripheral vision and thus, in effect, present no aspect ratio at all.
Prior to just a few years ago, ALL IMAX locations had screens installed for the 1.44:1 aspect ratio. Domes, stand-alone IMAX theaters, and auditoriums in existing multiplexes all carried installed screens with the same, exact aspect ratio.

When IMAX came out with the MPX projection system (specifically as IMAX was going to an all-digital system), it was the first IMAX projector specifically with a 1.89:1 aspect ratio. However, retrofitted auditoriums utilizing these projectors didn't pop up closer until a year-or-two before IMAX actually launched their digital projectors. A lot of AMC and Regal locations used these MPX projectors before the digital projectors were installed. The three Regal theaters here in town that retrofitted existing auditoriums used the MPX projectors (for only a few months) until the digital projectors were installed in early-to-mid 2009.

However, the IMAX theater I go to the most still has that original installed 1.44:1 screen. They went from using an SR projector to a digital one last year. The screen sizes are pretty apparent too:

41 x 56 feet (Brenden Palms; 1.44:1)
35 x 57 feet (Regal Red Rock; 1.78:1)
33 x 51 feet (Regal Aliante Stadium; 1.78:1)
24 x 48 feet (Regal Sunset Station; 2.1:1)

There's only one screen here in town with an installed screen of a 2.1:1 aspect ratio. But why even bother when it's almost half the size of the others in town (retrofitted or not)?

In case of the United States and Canada, these are most of the 70mm locations still left:

Spoiler:
Austin, TX || IMAX Theater Austin
Boston, MA || Jordan’s IMAX
Boston, MA || IMAX 3D Theatre in Reading
Calgary, AB || Scotiabank Theatre Chinook 16 + IMAX
Chantilly, VA || Washington, DC Udvar-Hazy Center IMAX
Chicago, IL || Navy Pier IMAX Theatre
Des Moines, IA || SCI IMAX Dome Theater Des
Detroit, MI || Henry Ford IMAX
Edmonton, AB || Scotiabank Theatre Edmonton + IMAX
Harrisburg, PA || The Whitaker Center for Science & the Arts IMAX
Houston, TX || Houston Marq*e Stadium 22 + IMAX
Indianapolis, IN || White River IMAX
Los Angeles, CA || Irvine Spectrum 20 + IMAX
Los Angeles, CA || RAVE 18 + IMAX
Los Angeles, CA || Ontario Palace Stadium 22 + IMAX
Los Angeles, CA || Citywalk Stadium 19 with IMAX
Madison, WI || Star 18 Fitchburg with IMAX
Miami, FL || AutoNation IMAX
Minneapolis, MN || Great Clips IMAX
Montreal, QC || Cinema Banque Scotia Montreal + IMAX
Nashville,TN || Opry Mills Stadium 20 + IMAX
New York, NY || Lincoln Square 13 with IMAX
New York, NY || Palisades IMAX
Omaha, NE || Star Cinema 16 with IMAX
Orlando, FL || Pointe Orlando Stadium 20 + IMAX
Ottawa, ON || Silvercity Gloucester + IMAX
Palm Springs, CA || Desert IMAX Theatre
Philadelphia, PA || IMAX & the Tropicana
Philadelphia, PA || Tuttleman IMAX – Franklin Institute
Phoenix, AZ || Arizona Mills 25 with IMAX
Providence, RI || Providence Place 16 with IMAX
Quebec City, QC || IMAX Le Theatre At Quebec
Sacramento, CA || Esquire IMAX
San Antonio, TX || IMAX at RiverCenter
San Francisco, CA || Metreon 16 with IMAX & ETX
Seattle, WA || Boeing IMAX – Pacific Science Center
Tampa, FL || Museum of Science and Industry (MOSI)
Toronto, ON || Coliseum 12 Mississauga + IMAX
Toronto, ON || Scotiabank Theatre Toronto + IMAX
Toronto, ON || Colossus 18 Woodbridge + IMAX
Vancouver, BC || Colossus Langley + IMAX
Vancouver, BC || Silvercity Riverport 18 + IMAX


The reason they're the few remaining? They all have screens close to, if not larger, 70 feet tall (and all have a wonderful 1.44:1 aspect ratio). Digital projectors suck on the large screens and that's why IMAX is waiting to have laser projectors before converting those locations over.

zekeburger1979 03-30-12 09:49 PM
Re: Mission: Impossible Ghost Protocol - 4/17/12
 
MovieWeb has a breakdown of what is available in the 2-disc set and the Best Buy exclusive 3-disc set:

Breakdown of MI:GP sets

The Valeyard 03-31-12 12:47 AM
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I see now. Best Buy version is 2 Blu and 1 DVD while the normal version is 1 Blu and 1 DVD. Love that the Best Buy version has an entire disc dedicated to the movie alone (Disc 1). I was on the fence but I'm definitely hitting Best Buy now.

Thanks, zekeburger.

OldBoy 03-31-12 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by The Valeyard (Post 11173647)
I see now. Best Buy version is 2 Blu and 1 DVD while the normal version is 1 Blu and 1 DVD. Love that the Best Buy version has an entire disc dedicated to the movie alone (Disc 1). I was on the fence but I'm definitely hitting Best Buy now.

Thanks, zekeburger.
i believe all versions have 2 Blu-rays, 1 DVD, but BB version just has more extras on its 2nd disc.

The Valeyard 03-31-12 11:20 AM
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Ah. Never mind then. I was on my 3rd margarita when I wrote that last night. Made sense to me then.

Solid Snake 03-31-12 12:09 PM
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Guess BB will be teh way cuz I can't see paramount giving us an IMAX one. Fuck.

Giles 04-01-12 12:55 PM
Re: Mission: Impossible Ghost Protocol - 4/17/12
 
Originally Posted by Matthew Chmiel (Post 11172952)
Until films became DMR'd, the OAR for films shot and shown in IMAX was always 1.44:1.

When Disney released Beauty and the Beast, Fantasia 2000, The Lion King, and Treasure Planet in the beginning of the millenium, they were newly created 70mm IMAX prints and did not have to go through the Digital Media Remastering process from IMAX.

Everything else since then has.

Apollo 13 was the first one up and not only had 25 minutes removed, but was cropped from 2.35:1 to 1.44:1 to take full advantage of the IMAX aspect ratio. When Attack of the Clones came out in IMAX a few months later, 22 minutes were removed, but it was the first DMR processed title to retain its 2.35:1 aspect ratio. [The Disney films all had aspect ratios of 1.66:1 or 1.85:1.]

Almost a year later, when platter sizes were increased, The Matrix sequels retained their running times and OAR of 2.35:1 and the last sequel was the first DMR title to have an IMAX release day-and-date with its theatrical release date and set the standard for IMAX DMR films to come.

Speed Racer was the first IMAX DMR release created digitally. However, I saw it both times in separate IMAX theaters in 70mm. The first time was in an auditorium specifically created for IMAX digital (it finally got the digital projector at the beginning of 2009). The second screening just became a digital IMAX venue since the release of Super 8.

Most IMAX DMR'd films are getting released digital only anyways. In 2011, 10 out of 25 DMR films were released in digital only.

In 2012? So far, 3 out of 7 were released digital only. Nobody knows if Titanic will be digital only in part due to the film's running time, but The Avengers, the next Resident Evil sequel, and Frankenweenie will be digital only.

Of course, for the time being, there are a handful (fifty locations are so) that can't go digital due to the size of the IMAX screen. Those locations will go digital when IMAX begins its rollout of their Kodak laser projectors which will replace ALL 70mm projectors AND ALL current digital setups.
in terms of 'Attack of the Clones' (Smithsonian Natural History Museum IMAX screen) I specifically remember that the film was 1.44 full screen (not 2.35 AR) the cropping was real bad and the image so in your face it rendered the action scenes visually incoherent at times.

I wish I had seen Speed Racer in IMAX - a guilty pleasure that would have looked insane on the huge screen.

Matthew in terms of the new Barco IMAX digital technology what is the timetable when it will be implemented?

Josh Z 04-02-12 04:23 PM
Re: Mission: Impossible Ghost Protocol - 4/17/12
 
Originally Posted by Matthew Chmiel (Post 11172777)
You're wrong.

There are a few digital IMAX screens that exist that in the original 1.44:1 aspect ratio and there's been a few films to play in that OAR since IMAX has shifted gears to digital (such as Born to be Wild 3D). However, those screens are few and far between. The rest, like other digital projectors, has an OAR of 1.89:1.

I saw the same film in a ten-year-old IMAX theater that just did the change to digital and it was easy to tell the moments it changed from 2.35:1 to 1.89:1. If you saw the film in what was conceived from the start to be a digital IMAX theater, than yes, it's not going to be a worthwhile experience.
All IMAX digital projectors have a projected image ratio of ~1.9:1. Even if an older theater with a 1.44:1 screen has been retrofitted with digital projectors, that doesn't magically give the projector more pixels than it was designed and built with. The 1.9:1 picture will be letterboxed on the larger screen.

IMAX does not have digital projectors that will project a 1.44:1 image, unless the theater is overscanning the screen and/or cropping picture from the sides.

Josh Z 04-02-12 04:25 PM
Re: Mission: Impossible Ghost Protocol - 4/17/12
 
Originally Posted by Giles (Post 11174921)
in terms of 'Attack of the Clones' (Smithsonian Natural History Museum IMAX screen) I specifically remember that the film was 1.44 full screen (not 2.35 AR) the cropping was real bad and the image so in your face it rendered the action scenes visually incoherent at times.
You're correct. The Matrix Reloaded was the first DMR'ed film to retain its original aspect ratio letterboxed on the screen. Attack of the Clones was cropped to 1.44:1.

Mr. Cinema 04-11-12 07:26 PM
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Best Buy ad beginning April 15 posted on blu-ray.com:

Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol:

2-Disc Blu-ray/DVD Combo Pack (includes UltraViolet Digital Copy) - $22.99

3-Disc Blu-ray/DVD Combo Pack (includes UltraViolet Digital Copy) - $22.99
(Exclusive Price on Tuesday 4/17/12 only: $19.99)
*Best Buy exclusive with over 1 hour of bonus content*

DJariya 04-11-12 08:02 PM
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:thumbsup: Nice...$14.99 for the 3-disc BD with my $5 RZ coupon. I'll try really hard to pick it up Tuesday.

Giles 04-11-12 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 11187014)
:thumbsup: Nice...$14.99 for the 3-disc BD with my $5 RZ coupon. I'll try really hard to pick it up Tuesday.
same here! can't wait! (still sucks though the IMAX scenes aren't full screen)

Isny 04-13-12 01:58 AM
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Just a heads up for Canadians. The BB Special Edition will be a FS exclusive here in Canada. The flyer states the price will be $26.99.

leahcim 04-17-12 10:23 AM
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Does the basic 2 disk Blu-Ray/DVD/Digital come with a separate digital code from the DVD or does the DVD need to be used to acquire the digital version?

Mr. Cinema 04-17-12 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by leahcim (Post 11193477)
Does the basic 2 disk Blu-Ray/DVD/Digital come with a separate digital code from the DVD or does the DVD need to be used to acquire the digital version?
I believe this one has a code. I think it is a UV title, but also includes a code for itunes. Someone can confirm if they've opened their copy already.

E Unit 04-17-12 01:26 PM
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You are almost correct Mr. Cinema. I picked mine up from Best Buy a little while ago. It has one leaflet that has ONE code for both UV as well as downloading a digital copy via paramountdigitalcopy.com. But no seperate iTunes code.

MasterofDVD 04-17-12 09:16 PM
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I hit up Best Buy in a hurry before work today to get my copy. I stop into their stores now and then to just look around but I rarely buy much. Their prices seem to be reasonable on some stuff now but today they had 1 checkout open and the picked the wrong employee to man the register. The guy in front of me bought 1 item and it took longer for him to checkout with that item than people with entire carts full of stuff at a Target or Wal-Mart take. It was fucking insane. I get up to the line and the guy tried to make small talk with me and I cut him off real quick and told him I was in a hurry. Normally I'm not a dick like that. I hope the extras end up being worth the hassle.

DJariya 04-18-12 02:41 AM
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Picked up the 3-disc set today for $14.99 with my $5 RZ coupon.

Was surprised to see some people actually take the 2-disc set over the 3-disc.

The cashier asked me if I've seen it before and I told him yeah I saw it in theatres. He seemed surprised that so many people were buying this title. He said I was the 7th or 8th straight person to buy it at his register. :lol: uhhh Duh!!

DJariya 04-18-12 01:36 PM
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:thumbsup: Just watched the 48 minute Mission Accepted Documentary on Disc 2. Really good stuff. I know most of you aren't that into Behind the scenes docs and only care about the movie, but this was a pretty damn good feature. Lots of interesting material covered. I hate self congratulatory EPK fluff where everyone says how great the movie is and how awesome it was to work with the director. This one was more of a Behind the scenes diary of the production, which interests me as a film lover.

Will try to watch the Impossible Missions documentary later on.

E Unit 04-18-12 02:13 PM
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Yep, I really enjoyed all of the extras myself. I loved that Brad Bird used his iPhone so much when prepping scenes and just shooting behind the scenes stuff in general. Definitely the kind of behind the scenes stuff I enjoy. Deleted scenes weren't bad either, but they wouldn't have added to the movie itself, so it was a good choice to leave them out. Pisses me off though seeing the IMAX part, as brief as it is, how effective and good it overall looks compared to shooting on other stock. And of course Paramount decides to fuck us over by NOT letting us see the IMAX version on blu.

DJariya 04-18-12 02:17 PM
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I'm puzzled why Bird recorded a commentary track for the deleted scenes, but didn't do a track for the actual movie.

And yeah I liked how he used his iPhone camera in the documentary to give us a closer and more intimate perspective on the production.

Superdaddy 04-18-12 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 11195339)
:thumbsup: Just watched the 48 minute Mission Accepted Documentary on Disc 2. Really good stuff. I know most of you aren't that into Behind the scenes docs and only care about the movie, but this was a pretty damn good feature. Lots of interesting material covered. I hate self congratulatory EPK fluff where everyone says how great the movie is and how awesome it was to work with the director. This one was more of a Behind the scenes diary of the production, which interests me as a film lover.

Will try to watch the Impossible Missions documentary later on.
Production documentaries are actually my favorite bonus feature (when they're intelligently done; I don't care for EPKs either). For older movies, I can live with minor bonus features being deleted in the upgrade from DVD to BD but am annoyed when decent documentaries are axed. I always hang onto the DVD version in that case rather than trade it or give it away.

My copy of MI is coming in the mail from BB, so I look forward to checking these out.

fujishig 04-18-12 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by trespoochies (Post 11193747)
You are almost correct Mr. Cinema. I picked mine up from Best Buy a little while ago. It has one leaflet that has ONE code for both UV as well as downloading a digital copy via paramountdigitalcopy.com. But no seperate iTunes code.
But you can still download an itunes copy with the code, right? I mean, the itunes label is right on the sticker.

I haven't opened my MI copy yet, but at least with the last Blu I bought like this, you could redeem the same code for both a UV copy and an itunes copy (though I never redeemed the UV copy).

E Unit 04-18-12 05:15 PM
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Yes, the code which you redeem at the Paramount site can be used on iTunes.

Solid Snake 04-18-12 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Superdaddy (Post 11195523)
Production documentaries are actually my favorite bonus feature (when they're intelligently done; I don't care for EPKs either). For older movies, I can live with minor bonus features being deleted in the upgrade from DVD to BD but am annoyed when decent documentaries are axed. I always hang onto the DVD version in that case rather than trade it or give it away.

My copy of MI is coming in the mail from BB, so I look forward to checking these out.
Fincher loves his making of docs. I actually ALMOST await those more than the movie itself. Feature length beauties.

RocShemp 04-18-12 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by trespoochies (Post 11195377)
Pisses me off though seeing the IMAX part, as brief as it is, how effective and good it overall looks compared to shooting on other stock. And of course Paramount decides to fuck us over by NOT letting us see the IMAX version on blu.
Yeah, that part felt like a kick to the nuts.

Josh Z 04-19-12 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by trespoochies (Post 11195377)
And of course Paramount decides to fuck us over by NOT letting us see the IMAX version on blu.
That was Brad Bird's decision, not Paramount's.

http://entertainment.ca.msn.com/movi...ts-his-mission

Bird feels that the alternating aspect ratios only serve to make the 2.35:1 footage look small on a home screen, which was never his intent. He prefers to have the entire movie run at a consistent ratio in every venue except IMAX, where the 2.35:1 scenes fill a viewer's field of vision and the IMAX scenes exceed the field of vision. On a screen where everything fills the field of vision, he finds the alternating ratios a distraction from the viewing experience.

I'm currently running a poll on this topic, if anyone feels like voting or sounding off about it.

Solid Snake 04-19-12 12:20 PM
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I voted and still feel that he should have kept alternating AR. I, begrudgingly, agree that it's his decision but...he made it like that. And we're losing out on the experience we were given.

applesandrice 04-19-12 01:04 PM
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Brad Bird is a proponent of constant image height in home theaters. I recall seeing him endorsing it in a CineWide ad for Runco several years ago.

DJariya 04-19-12 01:17 PM
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How big of a TV would you need to fully enjoy the IMAX scenes?

I don't own a 75-80 inch HDTV (my TV is 37 inches) So I don't see how I could have fully enjoyed those scenes at home.

E Unit 04-19-12 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 11196840)
That was Brad Bird's decision, not Paramount's.

http://entertainment.ca.msn.com/movi...ts-his-missionI'm currently running a poll on this topic, if anyone feels like voting or sounding off about it.
Nice write up Josh, thanks for pointing it out. I honestly don't see why it's perceived as distracting on the aspect ratio changes, but since we stilll live in an age where people wonder why there's sztill black bars, I guess I can't argue about the shift on those scenes. I'd be inclined to ask Brad then why the exercise of just doing certain scenes this way if the same thing is going to happen in an IMAX theater with shift aspect ratios? But as you said in the end, it's his movie.

Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 11196972)
How big of a TV would you need to fully enjoy the IMAX scenes? I don't own a 75-80 inch HDTV (my TV is 37 inches) So I don't see how I could have fully enjoyed those scenes at home.
I think this picture Josh put in his article sums it up well as a visual.

RocShemp 04-19-12 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC (Post 11196856)
I voted and still feel that he should have kept alternating AR. I, begrudgingly, agree that it's his decision but...he made it like that. And we're losing out on the experience we were given.
That's my feeling as well.

I also get that there are people who feel as Bird does (I've seen many people complain about the alternating ratios in TDK and TL) but all they had to do was offer an alternative, as was done with TF:ROTF.

Doctorossi 04-19-12 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC (Post 11196856)
And we're losing out on the experience we were given.
If he'd gone the other way, you could make the same argument that we 're "losing out" on the 'scope/standard-release experience we were given.


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