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Old 04-02-14 | 09:48 AM
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All of your points here are accurate. What they all really boil down to is that the people doing digital color grading today are frequently ignorant of what older movies should look like, and simply grade them based on what they think looks good to their eye today.
Or the director specifically chooses to change it
Old 04-02-14 | 03:20 PM
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They generally cannot be used as a reference. Publicity photos would be taken by a studio photographer who'd visit the set. How he chose to shoot and time his photos may have very little relation to what the film's cinematographer had planned.
There are also glossy stills taken directly from the film. Why don't we get out our Alien bubble gum cards or old issues of Fangoria and compare them to screen caps of the BDs.
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I actually have the trading cards which came with the Legacy boxed set.
Old 04-03-14 | 01:21 PM
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There are also glossy stills taken directly from the film.
Yes, but who did the color timing on them?
Old 04-08-14 | 06:48 AM
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So, will we ever see the original Alien (colors not manipulated), in 1080p?
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That would be a great gimmick to sell tv's, if possible, a teal & orange color filter.
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Don't give THEM any ideas.
*jotting down notes* Wait 'til you guys see what WE have in store for you in CES next year!
Old 04-08-14 | 08:03 AM
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So, will we ever see the original Alien (colors not manipulated), in 1080p?
The original and the sequel both have had their colors manipulated. As the Anthology release was about as definitive a Blu release as you could have, I can't see another release around the corner. Even if there is, since the changes were done by the directors themselves, unless the backlash is big enough to get them to change their minds (not likely), it's a safe assumption that it's going to be their choice of presentation for the film going forward, including any future releases on future formats and releases.

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Old 04-08-14 | 09:30 AM
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The backlash, if you can call it that, is only amongst the nerds. Everyone else doesn't have a problem with them. Hell, I'm a nerd, and I think the set on BD is fantastic.
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I just want to remind everyone that while the colors in Alien do seem tweaked, it is very slight. I don't think it's fair to lump them in with the changes made to Aliens. Those are much more drastic.
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The backlash, if you can call it that, is only amongst the nerds. Everyone else doesn't have a problem with them. Hell, I'm a nerd, and I think the set on BD is fantastic.
It is. It's a 5 star set.

The color timing doesn't hurt the films. It just hurts what the films should really look like.
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Just curious, does the menu default to the theatrical or extended/dc version?
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It gives you the option to which you want.
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The color timing doesn't hurt the films. It just hurts what the films should really look like.


All films have is what they should really look like and what they should really sound like.
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Well, it's not quite like what George Lucas does, but the principle is the same. I think the average person probably wouldn't even notice such changes. And of course, what a film "should" look like is an increasingly controversial thing in the digital age-if the audience have seen a film on beat up prints and VHS tapes for years, and the director suddenly changes things because "that's how it was originally supposed to look," you wind up with an issue which wouldn't have happened in the pre-digital days. That said, not only do I personally have no patience with it, but there is absolutely no excuse for the omission of mono which has increasingly become an issue. That could be presented as an alternate audio track with absolutely no issue.
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Well, it's not quite like what George Lucas does, but the principle is the same. I think the average person probably wouldn't even notice such changes. And of course, what a film "should" look like is an increasingly controversial thing in the digital age-if the audience have seen a film on beat up prints and VHS tapes for years, and the director suddenly changes things because "that's how it was originally supposed to look," you wind up with an issue which wouldn't have happened in the pre-digital days. That said, not only do I personally have no patience with it, but there is absolutely no excuse for the omission of mono which has increasingly become an issue. That could be presented as an alternate audio track with absolutely no issue.
Well, Aliens has always looked like film. A grainy film but there's no mistaking the aesthetic of it. The BD looks like film, so anyone that says it looks too polished, etc., doesn't know what they're talking about. The timing is fine and is in no way distracting.
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The timing is fine and is in no way distracting.
I assume you mean color timing. I cannot agree with that at all. The teal in Aliens is incredibly distracting. The movie is all teal, teal, teal, teal, teal, small bit of orange, teal, teal, teal, teal, teal.
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I assume you mean color timing. I cannot agree with that at all. The teal in Aliens is incredibly distracting. The movie is all teal, teal, teal, teal, teal, small bit of orange, teal, teal, teal, teal, teal.

Yes, the timing. It's fine.
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Yes, the timing. It's fine.
No, you are incorrect. It is not fine. Those are not the colors the movie was photographed with in 1986. Just because you don't care doesn't mean that the disc is correct.
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No, you are incorrect. It is not fine. Those are not the colors the movie was photographed with in 1986. Just because you don't care doesn't mean that the disc is correct.

I think the stuff with Star Wars and how those were butchered is a bigger deal than this Aliens issue.
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Teal.
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There is no argument, the encodes are technically fantastic on the Blu-Ray. In fact, all BRs should be so carefully and judiciously encoded. The features do not have digital artifacts, have high bitrates, little to no DNR, etc. However, it is highly unforturnate that Cameron wanted to tinker with ALIENS and TERMINATOR by changing the colors.

How he and other fellow tinkerers can put so much love into the technical parts of the Blu-Rays, but spoil the presentation by putting so much TEAL into the pictures is mind-boggling. Is he color blind?

And, the lack of mono-audio inclusion is NOT a technical problem. Such an audio track would only add around 500 MB to a 50 GB disc. It is a conspicious choice. It seems mono is out, too "old-fashioned" for modern sophisticates, with their fancy 7.1 audio systems. Even if that is the way the film was shown on release!

Honoring the technical conditions of the film *upon its release* is no longer in favor. Sadly.
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And no way do those screenshots look anything like the final Blu-ray. It reminds me of the whole "green" bullshit from the LOTR. That was also blown out of proportion.
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Yes they fucking do. You just don't notice it until a non Viagra shot is put up next to it.

Throughout the entire blu, everyone looks like they have severe cases of cirrhosis, fatty liver, and bruises from being repeatedly kicked by mules. Everyone on the blu encode literally looks ill.
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Yes they fucking do. You just don't notice it until a non Viagra shot is put up next to it.

Throughout the entire blu, everyone looks like they have severe cases of cirrhosis, fatty liver, and bruises from being repeatedly kicked by mules. Everyone on the blu encode literally looks ill.
Bull-fucking-shit, sir.


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