Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
03-23-11, 10:52 AM
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Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
It's total BS, but that's how they roll.
03-23-11, 12:20 PM
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Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
I thought it was pretty obvious why they leaving them on the DVDs. How else would they sell you on an upgrade when the first Hobbit film comes out on Blu Ray?
“For the first time ever, experience the complete collection, including extras, spread across 10 blu ray discs…”
And then another re release when the second Hobbit film comes out on Blu Ray.
“For the first time ever, experience the complete collection, including extras, spread across 10 blu ray discs…”
And then another re release when the second Hobbit film comes out on Blu Ray.
03-23-11, 02:16 PM
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Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
Just read this on the Bits:
Now then... before we get to the release news today, we have a little more Lord of the Rings: Extended Blu-ray information for you. A lot of people have asked about the new 2K remaster of Fellowship. Specifically, a few people have wondered if WHV was cheaping out by not remastering at at least 4K. We've confirmed that 2K was the resolution of the final post-production/editorial master for the film. So unless and until someone goes in and rescans all the film elements at higher resolution, then rebuilds the edit and re-renders all the visual effects at the higher resolution, 2K is the highest resolution element available to master a Blu-ray from. And that's what WHV has apparently gone back to. Today, this kind of film mastering work is mostly done at 4K, but back in 2000-2001, 2K was standard.
A couple other comments on the set: A few readers have complained that The Appendices and Costa Botes documentaries are only included on DVD in standard definition. In other words: Why haven't they been upgraded to high-definition for the Blu-ray? Surely they were shot in HD? And the answer is no, they weren't. We've confirmed that all of The Appendices material was shot in 16x9 SD and the finished documentaries were in that resolution and aspect ratio. What's more, the Costa Botes documentaries were 4x3 letterboxed SD. You have to remember, from post-production to finished DVDs, this material was produced in the 1998-2003 timeframe. The HD transition had only just begun, and studios weren't in the habit of paying for HD behind-the-scenes material yet. I think it was closer to 2005-2006 that DVD producers really began shooting such material in HD in anticipation of high-def discs. In the last 5 years or so, it's obviously become standard practice to shoot "making of" in HD. But back then, not so much. So SD IS the final resolution of all this material. As to why all the SD bonus content wasn't collected onto BD-25s for this release, we can only assume it was done to save authoring costs. One other note: The set will include a collectible map of Middle Earth, and the booklets for each film will include a chapter listing and guide to all the extras. So there you go. For those of you've who had questions about these issues, we hope this clarifies things for you a little. We're expecting more technical information from WHV on the set soon, so we'll pass it on to you here as it comes in.
Now then... before we get to the release news today, we have a little more Lord of the Rings: Extended Blu-ray information for you. A lot of people have asked about the new 2K remaster of Fellowship. Specifically, a few people have wondered if WHV was cheaping out by not remastering at at least 4K. We've confirmed that 2K was the resolution of the final post-production/editorial master for the film. So unless and until someone goes in and rescans all the film elements at higher resolution, then rebuilds the edit and re-renders all the visual effects at the higher resolution, 2K is the highest resolution element available to master a Blu-ray from. And that's what WHV has apparently gone back to. Today, this kind of film mastering work is mostly done at 4K, but back in 2000-2001, 2K was standard.
A couple other comments on the set: A few readers have complained that The Appendices and Costa Botes documentaries are only included on DVD in standard definition. In other words: Why haven't they been upgraded to high-definition for the Blu-ray? Surely they were shot in HD? And the answer is no, they weren't. We've confirmed that all of The Appendices material was shot in 16x9 SD and the finished documentaries were in that resolution and aspect ratio. What's more, the Costa Botes documentaries were 4x3 letterboxed SD. You have to remember, from post-production to finished DVDs, this material was produced in the 1998-2003 timeframe. The HD transition had only just begun, and studios weren't in the habit of paying for HD behind-the-scenes material yet. I think it was closer to 2005-2006 that DVD producers really began shooting such material in HD in anticipation of high-def discs. In the last 5 years or so, it's obviously become standard practice to shoot "making of" in HD. But back then, not so much. So SD IS the final resolution of all this material. As to why all the SD bonus content wasn't collected onto BD-25s for this release, we can only assume it was done to save authoring costs. One other note: The set will include a collectible map of Middle Earth, and the booklets for each film will include a chapter listing and guide to all the extras. So there you go. For those of you've who had questions about these issues, we hope this clarifies things for you a little. We're expecting more technical information from WHV on the set soon, so we'll pass it on to you here as it comes in.
03-23-11, 03:03 PM
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Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
From an article I found, Costa Botes indicates that a lot of the EE documentary material was taken from his footage:
http://costabotes.com/making-of-lord-of-the-rings/
Nearly all their footage was taken from my stuff in the first place.
Furthermore, WHV released those documentaries without Costa Botes involvement:
Unfortunately, the first I knew of the release, it was already happening.
03-23-11, 06:32 PM
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Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
Around 70-80% of FOTR had a digital intermediate when released theatrically. After ROTK, cinematographer Andrew Lesnie went back and finished the DI of FOTR. So while the previous DVD transfers were made from scan of an interpositive, the 2K files WHV are referring to could well be the DI for FOTR.
http://www.kristinthompson.net/blog/...-middle-earth/
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post20186990
http://www.kristinthompson.net/blog/...-middle-earth/
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post20186990
Lesnie's comments to the contrary are new to me, however.
03-23-11, 07:13 PM
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Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
I don't mind that the bonus material is in SD, just that's it is spread across nine fucking DVDs.
At least they could have put all of the bonus material for each movie onto a single blu-ray disc, and made this a nine-disc set.
It's not like this is an inexpensive set, the MSRP is $120.
At least they could have put all of the bonus material for each movie onto a single blu-ray disc, and made this a nine-disc set.
As to why all the SD bonus content wasn't collected onto BD-25s for this release, we can only assume it was done to save authoring costs.
03-23-11, 10:12 PM
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Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
Yeah, they're just making it easier and easier for me to wait for something better down the line, like a chronological cut of the movie or something. I'll wait this one out.
03-23-11, 11:17 PM
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From the previously linked article:
http://www.kristinthompson.net/blog/...-middle-earth/
Digital grading involves scanning the shots of a film into a computer, using a program to manipulate their color, light, and other photographic qualities. Then the result is scanned back onto a film negative, which is used to print the copies sent out to theaters. About 70 to 80% of The Fellowship of the Ring was done with a “digital intermediate” or DI. All of The Two Towers and The Return of the King were handled this way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_intermediate
Although originally used to describe a process that started with film scanning and ended with film recording, digital intermediate is also used to describe color grading and final mastering even when a digital camera is used as the image source and/or when the final movie is not output to film... The digital intermediate process uses digital tools to color grade, which allows for much finer control of individual colors and areas of the image, and allows for the adjustment of image structure (grain, sharpness, etc.).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_grading#DI
http://digitalcontentproducer.com/cg/video_rings/
“This time, the whole thing is mastered digitally, and that means we avoided the generation loss that we saw when we made over 2,000 release prints of the first film,” he says. “We were a little disappointed by the generation loss in some of those prints. We discovered that if you digitally grade the entire film 100%, doing the squeeze of the super 35mm images digitally, rather than optically, the result is less degradation of the image in your release prints. We did extensive tests and eventually figured out this was the best way to go.”
http://digitalcontentproducer.com/di..._right_timing/
http://digitalcontentproducer.com/di...r_control_dps/
03-24-11, 08:03 AM
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Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
I just hope they eventually release these individually. I think I am more a theatrical cut of FOTR and ROTK guy, TTT I am definitely prefer the extended cut. I don't feel like paying even 60 bucks for the set when I have most of the documentaries from my EE dvd sets. I could justify buying the first BD set because I never bought the theatricals on dvd.
03-24-11, 11:42 AM
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Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
I think you're getting stuck on semantics here. In order to be digitally graded, a digital intermediate has to be created (since it consists of the final, digitally graded image).
From the previously linked article:
http://www.kristinthompson.net/blog/...-middle-earth/
From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_intermediate
See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_grading#DI
I've searched a bit on this, and from what I can find, the "totally different" part of the process was when they transferred the DI back to film, not in creating the DI itself:
http://digitalcontentproducer.com/cg/video_rings/
Additional reading:
http://digitalcontentproducer.com/di..._right_timing/
http://digitalcontentproducer.com/di...r_control_dps/
From the previously linked article:
http://www.kristinthompson.net/blog/...-middle-earth/
From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_intermediate
See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_grading#DI
I've searched a bit on this, and from what I can find, the "totally different" part of the process was when they transferred the DI back to film, not in creating the DI itself:
http://digitalcontentproducer.com/cg/video_rings/
Additional reading:
http://digitalcontentproducer.com/di..._right_timing/
http://digitalcontentproducer.com/di...r_control_dps/
03-24-11, 09:26 PM
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Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
Condensing the extras would have involved more production costs, raising the price of the set, and taking up more space in the queue for Bd reproduction at a time when more studios are kicking out more catalog titles. Frankly, they could shunt all the special features to a DVD for every single Bd I buy and I wouldn't care. The movie is what I will be watching multiple times for entertainment. 99 times out of 100 I'll just watch any special features for information.
And while I understand and sympathize with the space considerations, I would rather get the package sooner and cheaper than have to wait for them to synthesize non-essential material to throw in with it.
I was going to be content to wait till Black friday for a deal on the set, but $62 shipped after discounts is enough incentive for me.
And while I understand and sympathize with the space considerations, I would rather get the package sooner and cheaper than have to wait for them to synthesize non-essential material to throw in with it.
I was going to be content to wait till Black friday for a deal on the set, but $62 shipped after discounts is enough incentive for me.
03-25-11, 10:30 PM
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Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
Exactly why I think I'll be skipping this release. At this point, and given that there are so many discs in this set, I think I can wait until the complete LotR/Hobbit set comes out with EVERYTHING consolidated onto the proper number of BD discs.
03-26-11, 06:15 AM
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Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
We all know these plus the Hobbit films are coming in a megaset in a few years time. That's what I'm waiting for.I held off on the theatrical BDs until they were $7.99 at amazon. If these extended cuts get released separately and make their way to a bargain price--say $12 or so per movie, I might buy them that way to tide me over. Heck, they could even make the separate releases barebones since so many people own these on DVD already (myself included).
If that doesn't happen, I'll just wait it out.
04-07-11, 09:50 AM
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This is just crazy, I did preorder it but now i'm thinking to cancel just due to (as stated above) but had to point it out again:
Note: Most of the bonus features are on DVDs, not Blu-ray Discs. The feature films are on Blu-ray.
and
Q - How many Blu-ray discs are in the box?
A - There will be SIX Blu-ray discs holding the 3 movies. The additional 9 'extras' or 'bonus' discs will be DVDs.
Note: Most of the bonus features are on DVDs, not Blu-ray Discs. The feature films are on Blu-ray.
and
Q - How many Blu-ray discs are in the box?
A - There will be SIX Blu-ray discs holding the 3 movies. The additional 9 'extras' or 'bonus' discs will be DVDs.
04-07-11, 01:41 PM
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WB/New Line owns the production rights, but MGM owns the distribution rights. This is what largely caused the large gap in production between the two adaptations, as WB and MGM hammered out a deal, and MGM dealt with its ongoing financial issues:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hob...%29#Production
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hob...%29#Production
04-07-11, 02:33 PM
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Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
WB/New Line owns the production rights, but MGM owns the distribution rights. This is what largely caused the large gap in production between the two adaptations, as WB and MGM hammered out a deal, and MGM dealt with its ongoing financial issues:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hob...%29#Production
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hob...%29#Production
04-07-11, 02:42 PM
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Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
I don't know if that's publicly known yet. Due to the deal WB and MGM reached, both studios are financing the film, WB is distributing domestically, while MGM is distributing internationally. This would lead one to suspect that WB will be the domestic distributor on video as well, but this isn't absolute.
If this is in regards to some "Ultimate Box Set" down the road of all 5 films: even if the two series have different domestic video distributors, some deal could be made to package all 5 films together. This would be similar to how the Infernal Affairs trilogy got a box set release, even though the 1st film was distributed by different company than the 2nd and 3rd films.
If this is in regards to some "Ultimate Box Set" down the road of all 5 films: even if the two series have different domestic video distributors, some deal could be made to package all 5 films together. This would be similar to how the Infernal Affairs trilogy got a box set release, even though the 1st film was distributed by different company than the 2nd and 3rd films.
04-08-11, 08:06 AM
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Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
We all know these plus the Hobbit films are coming in a megaset in a few years time. That's what I'm waiting for.I held off on the theatrical BDs until they were $7.99 at amazon. If these extended cuts get released separately and make their way to a bargain price--say $12 or so per movie, I might buy them that way to tide me over. Heck, they could even make the separate releases barebones since so many people own these on DVD already (myself included).
If that doesn't happen, I'll just wait it out.
04-08-11, 11:56 AM
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Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
I don't know if that's publicly known yet. Due to the deal WB and MGM reached, both studios are financing the film, WB is distributing domestically, while MGM is distributing internationally. This would lead one to suspect that WB will be the domestic distributor on video as well, but this isn't absolute.
04-08-11, 01:16 PM
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Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
Um...we could all be dead tomorrow. Like a lot of other readers, I'm speculating on a release I'd like to buy, and that I feel would be worth my money. If it comes to pass, great. If not, I save some money. If I'm dead, it doesn't concern me either way, yes?
I own three video editions of these films already, and will gladly buy a fourth, plus more down the road, if said release is in my price range.
If it's not, no biggie.
Just my thoughts; I'm not here to crap on the opinions of those who want to buy the set.
I own three video editions of these films already, and will gladly buy a fourth, plus more down the road, if said release is in my price range.
If it's not, no biggie.
Just my thoughts; I'm not here to crap on the opinions of those who want to buy the set.
04-08-11, 01:30 PM
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Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
Dual-layered DVD = 7.95GB.
Dual-layered Blu-ray = 50GB.
9 DVDs x 7.95GB = 71.55GB (and that's stretching it).
Yeah, Warner could've put all of the bonus material across two BDs.
Lazy.
Dual-layered Blu-ray = 50GB.
9 DVDs x 7.95GB = 71.55GB (and that's stretching it).
Yeah, Warner could've put all of the bonus material across two BDs.
Lazy.