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Spottedfeather 01-14-11 02:41 AM

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Good and bad movies are not just a matter of opinion. There can be movies that you really hate but are very well made/acted. Then there can be movies that you love but that are extremely horrible, badly acted, and have bad effects. Just because you like it doesn't make it a good movie. And just because you hate it doesn't make it a bad one. Even if you really hate a movie, you can look at it and see that it's good. Just as you can like a movie, but can see that it's bad. Twilight is a really badly written book which was turned into an even more badly written and acted movie. It's a bad movie. That's fact. I really hate the Spiderman movies, but I can acknowledge that they are well made. Well, except for the CGI web-swinging and fighting scenes.

riotinmyskull 01-14-11 04:58 AM

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art is subjective.

hdtv00 01-14-11 06:09 AM

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....ah whatever.

Jay G. 01-14-11 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 10589254)
Good and bad movies are not just a matter of opinion. There can be movies that you really hate but are very well made/acted. Then there can be movies that you love but that are extremely horrible, badly acted, and have bad effects.

You're making a distinction between one's enjoyment of a movie, and a more critical analysis of how it was made. This is an important distinction to make, and especially important when one is trying to understand/explain why they did or did not like something.

However, the problem is that any critical analysis of the film or parts of the film is still subjective, or an opinion. For example, someone may agree with you on disliking Spiderman 3, but disagree with you and think the fighting scenes were well done. Who's right?

Let me put it another way: name one objective measurement for the quality of a film.

The Lizard King 01-14-11 08:43 AM

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I hear that in some circles, it's called, "Bwu Way."

TLK :cool:

Josh Z 01-14-11 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay G. (Post 10588300)
For example, Transformers 2 scored 20% with critics, but 76% with audiences. Who's right, the critics or the audience?

The critics. Absolutely the critics. Did you see that shitpile? :)

tylergfoster 01-14-11 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay G. (Post 10588546)
Right, it's reasonable for predicting probability, or how likely you will like a film. But it's not an absolute indicator of quality, and it doesn't trump personal opinion.

For example, if a movie you really liked was 40%, while a movie you thought was just OK was 70%, would you then adjust your personal opinion accordingly?

No, of course not, but that's not what I was saying.

Jay G. 01-14-11 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by droidguy1119 (Post 10589525)
No, of course not, but that's not what I was saying.

But that is what slop101 was saying, who you were ostensibly agreeing with, which is why I asked for clarification.

slop101 01-14-11 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay G. (Post 10589548)
But that is what slop101 was saying...

No, not really.

tylergfoster 01-14-11 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay G. (Post 10589548)
But that is what slop101 was saying, who you were ostensibly agreeing with, which is why I asked for clarification.

No. He was saying the same thing I was, except he was setting the "likely-to-be-crap" line at 50% instead of 40%, and he puts much more stock in it.

Jay G. 01-14-11 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by droidguy1119 (Post 10589980)
No. He was saying the same thing I was, except he was setting the "likely-to-be-crap" line at 50% instead of 40%, and he puts much more stock in it.

Except he didn't say "likely-to-be-crap", he said "is-crap". Again, the quote:


Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 10586639)
Sorry, but anything lower than 50% is rightly considered a shitpile.

No "likely to be" in there, or anywhere else in his posts. Remember that this was in response to Matthew Chmiel recommending the film and specifically asking slop101 if he had actually seen the movie he was calling crap. slop101's response is basically "I don't have to see it, because the rottentomatoes score tells me it is crap." He then proceeded to equate anyone who liked Step Up 3 with heroin users.

I was disagreeing with this assertion that rottentomatoes can be used as an absolute indicator of quality.

Now, if that wasn't slop101's intention, he can post again to clarify his statements so we can better understand his position.

slop101 01-14-11 10:46 PM

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If you're gonna quote me, why not quote my follow-up posts?


Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 10588026)
If we were having this discussion in person, you'd see that my tone and attitude is a bit tongue-in-cheek and actually quite delightful!

I apologize if my hyperbole is giving you cancer.

Jay G. 01-14-11 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 10590630)
If you're gonna quote me, why not quote my follow-up posts?

Because the line I quoted is the one I have issue with, and you follow up doesn't really address it. Especially since after that "tongue-in-cheek" post, you posted this:

Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 10588059)
I was mostly generalizing, so of course there's going to be a couple examples to the contrary here and there, but a great majority of other examples prove my point rather than yours.

So you're at best inconsistent.


Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 10590630)
I apologize if my hyperbole is giving you cancer.

So you admit your statement was hyperbole? You don't think that a score under 50% on rottentomatoes.com means a film is a shitpile? Have you actually seen Step Up 3 yourself?

slop101 01-14-11 11:57 PM

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No, but I'm pretty sure it sucks.

jarofclay73 01-17-11 12:46 AM

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I'm trying to avoid re-buying everything on DVD. There are select movies I really want on Blu-Ray that would really enhance the viewing experience. There are plenty movies that I have the would suffice on DVD. Then, any NEW movie that I want to buy I'll buy it on Blu-Ray.

So, you just have to figure out which ones you REALLY want to upgrade to Blu.

TheMovieman 01-17-11 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jarofclay73 (Post 10593906)
I'm trying to avoid re-buying everything on DVD. There are select movies I really want on Blu-Ray that would really enhance the viewing experience. There are plenty movies that I have the would suffice on DVD. Then, any NEW movie that I want to buy I'll buy it on Blu-Ray.

So, you just have to figure out which ones you REALLY want to upgrade to Blu.

Yeah, right with you. I haven't bought a new release DVD (unless it's the only format available) since going to Blu-ray a few years back.

auto 01-18-11 08:17 PM

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< insert an internet is serious business pic >

PopcornTreeCt 01-18-11 11:27 PM

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OP, I would check out movies you really love on Blu-ray before anything else.


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