Go Back  DVD Talk Forum > DVD Discussions > HD Talk
Reload this Page >

Pinocchio blu-ray has black bars on side whether the DVD version doesn't. Why?

HD Talk The place to discuss Blu-ray, 4K and all other forms and formats of HD and HDTV.

Pinocchio blu-ray has black bars on side whether the DVD version doesn't. Why?

Old 07-21-10, 04:47 AM
  #1  
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 164
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Pinocchio blu-ray has black bars on side whether the DVD version doesn't. Why?

The new Pinocchio blu-ray has black bars on the side and the DVD version which is included with the blu-ray set, fells up the entire screen. Why is this?
Old 07-21-10, 07:15 AM
  #2  
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Formerly known as "Solid Snake PAC"/Denton, Tx
Posts: 39,239
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Re: Pinocchio blu-ray has black bars on side whether the DVD version doesn't. Why?

....Pinocchio is a 4:3 film. It should be that way. It wasn't a widescreen film. that's the only way it should be viewed.
Old 07-21-10, 08:00 AM
  #3  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 9,866
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Re: Pinocchio blu-ray has black bars on side whether the DVD version doesn't. Why?

Really?

Close sesame.
Old 07-21-10, 08:15 AM
  #4  
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Puerto Rico
Posts: 11,973
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Re: Pinocchio blu-ray has black bars on side whether the DVD version doesn't. Why?

I think he has a point. He isn't arguing that the Blu-ray has the wrong aspect ratio, he is actually wondering why would Disney include a DVD in the package that doesn't have the correct aspect ratio that even the BD that was packed together has. I haven't seen the DVD, so I don't know if the OP's claim is true.
Old 07-21-10, 08:42 AM
  #5  
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Posts: 4,531
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: Pinocchio blu-ray has black bars on side whether the DVD version doesn't. Why?

Unless your settings are futzed, I'm unaware on the DVD being in anything other than 1.33:1

Maybe the DVD it also as a option for the "Disney View" -- which was on the BD. It's a selectable option where art and background cards fill the negative space outside the 1.33:1 image.
Old 07-21-10, 12:45 PM
  #6  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Josh Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Boston
Posts: 11,757
Received 254 Likes on 180 Posts
Re: Pinocchio blu-ray has black bars on side whether the DVD version doesn't. Why?

The Blu-ray is pillarboxed with black bars hard-coded on the sides of the 16:9 frame. The DVD is 4:3 inherently. The o/p undoubtedly has his DVD player and/or TV set to stretch the 4:3 picture sideways.
Old 07-21-10, 04:33 PM
  #7  
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Briarwood Sanatarium
Posts: 4,293
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: Pinocchio blu-ray has black bars on side whether the DVD version doesn't. Why?

I have that same "problem" and it's because I have my HDTV set to fill the entire screen on my DirecTV because my wife gets bothered by bars on all 4 sides and it does that on 1.33:1 DVDs but Blu-Ray shows up in the correct OAR. I just haven't upgraded to HD programming yet. I guess I need to call and do that today
Old 07-21-10, 04:36 PM
  #8  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 5,512
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: Pinocchio blu-ray has black bars on side whether the DVD version doesn't. Why?

This thread just irritates me...
Old 07-21-10, 04:56 PM
  #9  
DVD Talk Legend
 
dsa_shea's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma
Posts: 22,196
Received 307 Likes on 229 Posts
Re: Pinocchio blu-ray has black bars on side whether the DVD version doesn't. Why?

Originally Posted by Anubis2005X
This thread just irritates me...
Why? It is a legitimate question/concern on the OP's part.
Old 07-21-10, 05:04 PM
  #10  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
riotinmyskull's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: portsmouth, va
Posts: 9,176
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Re: Pinocchio blu-ray has black bars on side whether the DVD version doesn't. Why?

Originally Posted by dsa_shea
Why? It is a legitimate question/concern on the OP's part.
not if the settings on his TV are fucked
Old 07-22-10, 10:34 AM
  #11  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 5,512
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: Pinocchio blu-ray has black bars on side whether the DVD version doesn't. Why?

Originally Posted by dsa_shea
Why? It is a legitimate question/concern on the OP's part.
It just boggles my mind that people in general can watch a full frame image, stretched out and distorted to fill a widescreen tv, and not even notice that anything is wrong.
Old 07-23-10, 08:30 PM
  #12  
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 54
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: Pinocchio blu-ray has black bars on side whether the DVD version doesn't. Why?

I have mine HDTV set to just scan so if will use the aspect ratio set on the DVD. I too get annoyed when the image is streched, I'm amazed at people who can't tell the difference.
Old 07-23-10, 08:53 PM
  #13  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,023
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: Pinocchio blu-ray has black bars on side whether the DVD version doesn't. Why?

Originally Posted by Anubis2005X
It just boggles my mind that people in general can watch a full frame image, stretched out and distorted to fill a widescreen tv, and not even notice that anything is wrong.
Well, some don't have as good as eyesight as you. Or some just don't give a crap.
Old 07-23-10, 08:55 PM
  #14  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
BuckNaked2k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Hartford, CT
Posts: 6,145
Received 33 Likes on 26 Posts
Re: Pinocchio blu-ray has black bars on side whether the DVD version doesn't. Why?

Originally Posted by Anubis2005X
It just boggles my mind that people in general can watch a full frame image, stretched out and distorted to fill a widescreen tv, and not even notice that anything is wrong.
I've had shouting matches with my Father over this issue...
Old 07-23-10, 08:57 PM
  #15  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Drexl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 16,077
Likes: 0
Received 15 Likes on 13 Posts
Re: Pinocchio blu-ray has black bars on side whether the DVD version doesn't. Why?

Originally Posted by Josh Z
The Blu-ray is pillarboxed with black bars hard-coded on the sides of the 16:9 frame. The DVD is 4:3 inherently. The o/p undoubtedly has his DVD player and/or TV set to stretch the 4:3 picture sideways.
Either that, or maybe he's using the "Disney view" on the BD that fills in the blank space with artwork. Obviously the DVD doesn't have that as it is native 4:3.
Old 07-24-10, 04:37 PM
  #16  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Josh Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Boston
Posts: 11,757
Received 254 Likes on 180 Posts
Re: Pinocchio blu-ray has black bars on side whether the DVD version doesn't. Why?

Originally Posted by Drexl
Either that, or maybe he's using the "Disney view" on the BD that fills in the blank space with artwork. Obviously the DVD doesn't have that as it is native 4:3.
The first post complains that the Blu-ray has side bars while the DVD doesn't. He's watching the DVD stretched.

How someone could look at these two images and not notice that there's something wrong with the bottom one is astounding to many of us, but it does happen.





I once had to sit through a whole screening of Pirates of the Caribbean like the following when some friends bought a new plasma and didn't bother to set their DVD player for a 16:9 TV.



They didn't notice that anything was wrong. When I fixed it for them afterwards and restored the proper picture geometry, they told me that they couldn't tell the difference.

Last edited by Josh Z; 07-24-10 at 04:48 PM.
Old 07-25-10, 10:45 AM
  #17  
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Detroit
Posts: 3,518
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: Pinocchio blu-ray has black bars on side whether the DVD version doesn't. Why?

I hate people so much.
Old 07-25-10, 11:23 AM
  #18  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
riotinmyskull's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: portsmouth, va
Posts: 9,176
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Re: Pinocchio blu-ray has black bars on side whether the DVD version doesn't. Why?

Originally Posted by Josh Z
They didn't notice that anything was wrong. When I fixed it for them afterwards and restored the proper picture geometry, they told me that they couldn't tell the difference.
i've done this to at least 10 of my friends/family members tv's
Old 07-25-10, 12:46 PM
  #19  
DVD Talk Godfather
 
fumanstan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Irvine, CA
Posts: 55,349
Received 26 Likes on 14 Posts
Re: Pinocchio blu-ray has black bars on side whether the DVD version doesn't. Why?

Some of the responses here are why casual folks never end up learning. Explanations like Josh Z is far better then the eyerolling. Sheesh.
Old 07-25-10, 02:08 PM
  #20  
DVD Talk Legend
 
calhoun07's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 14,401
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Re: Pinocchio blu-ray has black bars on side whether the DVD version doesn't. Why?

Originally Posted by Josh Z
They didn't notice that anything was wrong. When I fixed it for them afterwards and restored the proper picture geometry, they told me that they couldn't tell the difference.
They didn't see the difference before or after the adjustment? Or both?

I often wonder about the average intelligence of people who can't see the difference, in all honestly. It's like there is something wrong with their capacity to process what they are seeing so I wonder if there are other things wrong with the functionality of their brain.

I think the worst example of this is the Comcast tech who hooked up my TV service. He had to come back because my DVR wasn't working right. They gave me the RGB cables for the high def channels, but on standard def channels the picture quality was just horrid. When he came back out I asked him why the standard def channels looked so horrid (color bars would roll across the screen and a changing hue of colors was constant on the very bottom of the screen, not to mention all the colors were washed out and it sucked) and he claimed that's just the way they are broadcast and that's how it looks on his TV, too.

After he left I looked at the back of the DVR and noted the HDMI output, got an HDMI cable and it was night and day difference on the standard def channels. It cleared up the image considerably and made all the colors much more vibrant.

I couldn't help to wonder about the tech who sits at home and convinces himself this is just the way it's broadcast and is too stupid to answer a customer's question about the picture quality. And it wasn't like I was paying them for the RGB cables they provided me. If a tech can't see the difference when he's installing this stuff or accepts the crappy image quality for what it is then that's pretty pathetic. It's one thing for some family somewhere to accept their crap as it is, but for a tech to say stuff like that just floored me.

Last edited by calhoun07; 07-25-10 at 02:13 PM.
Old 07-25-10, 06:38 PM
  #21  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 851
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: Pinocchio blu-ray has black bars on side whether the DVD version doesn't. Why?

I don't see why so many of you are surprised. I venture a guess that at least 90% of the population who buys/sells/reads about/looks at any kind of HDTV, BD, or any high-tech A/V hardware or software have absolutely no clue at all. Be it buying, setting up, or selling, most people are just ignorant.

If you don't believe me, go to a Best Buy. Listen to their 'Home Theater Specialists' and their customers have a conversation. Its some of the stupidest stuff you will ever hear come out of anyone's mouth(on either side).

The problem lies in the fact that the overwhelming majority of people who take on the responsibility about educating the public about High Definition TV and all its parts are just plain stupid. Therefore, the stupid-i-city trickles down to everyone they come into contact with.


Its sad, really.
Old 07-26-10, 12:39 AM
  #22  
DVD Talk Legend
 
calhoun07's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 14,401
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Re: Pinocchio blu-ray has black bars on side whether the DVD version doesn't. Why?

I also love it when somebody is convinced...absolutely convinced...that DVD upconverted is the same quality as a Blu-Ray. I just wonder if they think everybody who buys Blu-Ray are the morons of the world and they are special because they figured out a little secret or something.
Old 07-26-10, 08:57 AM
  #23  
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 4,160
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: Pinocchio blu-ray has black bars on side whether the DVD version doesn't. Why?

Originally Posted by calhoun07
I also love it when somebody is convinced...absolutely convinced...that DVD upconverted is the same quality as a Blu-Ray. I just wonder if they think everybody who buys Blu-Ray are the morons of the world and they are special because they figured out a little secret or something.
I was at Best Buy this weekend and two women who were walking past the BD aisle were having that very conversation, about how they can't see a difference between DVD and BD and it's all marketing, ripping people off.
Old 07-26-10, 09:07 AM
  #24  
Moderator
 
Groucho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
Posts: 71,383
Received 122 Likes on 84 Posts
Re: Pinocchio blu-ray has black bars on side whether the DVD version doesn't. Why?

Originally Posted by calhoun07
I also love it when somebody is convinced...absolutely convinced...that DVD upconverted is the same quality as a Blu-Ray. I just wonder if they think everybody who buys Blu-Ray are the morons of the world and they are special because they figured out a little secret or something.
I expect that out in the real world...but there are people like that on this very forum, which surprises me immensely.
Old 07-26-10, 10:00 AM
  #25  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Josh Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Boston
Posts: 11,757
Received 254 Likes on 180 Posts
Re: Pinocchio blu-ray has black bars on side whether the DVD version doesn't. Why?

Originally Posted by calhoun07
They didn't see the difference before or after the adjustment? Or both?
They thought the movie was fine when they watched it stretched. When I fixed it, they told me that they couldn't tell what I did that was supposed to be different.

I often wonder about the average intelligence of people who can't see the difference, in all honestly. It's like there is something wrong with their capacity to process what they are seeing so I wonder if there are other things wrong with the functionality of their brain.
It's mainly just that they have different priorities than we do. They simply don't care that much, and don't pay any attention to whether the picture is stretched or not. It doesn't mean they're stupid in other aspects of life.

Albert Einstein supposedly had pretty bad taste in movies. He liked them the dumber the better. He had enough to think about in every other part of his life, and didn't want to think when he watched a movie.

Last edited by Josh Z; 07-26-10 at 10:04 AM.

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.