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Old 04-28-10 | 01:27 AM
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LOTR Extended and Hobbit future extras.

http://bluray.ign.com/articles/108/1086145p1.html


New Content for LotR, Hobbit Blu-rays
Insiders have been talking about what fans can expect.
by Cindy White


April 26, 2010 - When the Blu-ray edition of Lord of the Rings was released on April 6, we heard from a lot of you that you were planning to wait until the extended edition came out. Last Friday provided a wealth of information about that potential release, from interviews with producer Michael Pellerin via Digital Bits and director/producer Peter Jackson via The Wall Street Journal's Speakeasy blog.

Pellerin, who worked on the original Special Extended Editions of The Lord of the Rings on DVD, talked about how the Blu-ray box set (for which he was a consultant) came together and the work that was done to make the films HD-ready. Most interestingly, he provided some hints as to what's in store for the eventual Extended Editions on Blu-ray.

Pellerin told the site that Jackson himself supervised the creation of new HD masters of the films for the Blu-ray release. There were existing HD masters available, but they had been created a decade ago when the films were released in theaters and were not up to today's standards. New Line had originally planned an ambitious box set that would have included the extended editions, but when the company was folded into Warner Bros. the decision was made to hold off until the full set could be released in conjunction with The Hobbit's debut in theaters. The theatrical edition that came out on April 6 was a compromise solution, getting a Blu-ray edition out there while reserving some content for the ultimate box set. It did have some technical tweaks, however, like color corrections and an improved audio presentation for The Fellowship of the Ring.

But here's where the excitement comes in. Pellerin revealed that he and Jackson have been planning an HD box set for nearly a decade, and set aside some content specifically for that eventual release.

"We didn't even have the room to fit everything on the original releases anyway," he said. "Truth be told, even with the six Appendices discs on the original Extended Edition DVDs, which we packed to capacity with content, we knew there would be a lot of material we just could not fit onto the original DVDs. So we purposefully held back some of the best stuff for later use. Every idea we had, Peter vetted and was placed into one of two categories: 1) Stuff to put it on the Extended Edition DVDs – or 2) Stuff saved for the HD Box Set."

- New Line

So what kind of stuff did they save?

"One of the crown jewels was to be Peter's documentary," Pellerin revealed. "Peter had always talked about creating his own feature-length documentary, that tells the whole process of creating LotR chronologically, from his – the filmmaker's – point of view: what he was thinking and why he made decisions, and inviting us to walk with him on that journey, from beginning to end."

The additional content will also include "anecdotes; shenanigans on and off screen; practical jokes, the gag and outtakes reels (which are myriad), and the stories only people who were there know about."

According to Pellerin, he and Jackson have about 20 hours worth of ideas and material set aside for the box set. He didn't reveal any potential release date, however, explaining that Warner Home Video is concentrating on the theatrical releases for the time being.

Meanwhile, it seems as though Jackson has similar plans for The Hobbit when it eventually comes out on Blu-ray and DVD. Jackson is producing and co-writing the two-part follow-up, with Guillermo del Toro at the helm. According to the Speakeasy report, Jackson and his team have been filming supplemental material for about a year now.

"[Director] Guillermo [del Toro] has been doing location scouts and design work, with the DVD people following him around, so we've shot 20 or 30 hours of DVD material so far and we're still a few months away from the first day of shooting."

Jackson also said that although he was "heavily involved" in the DVD process when New Line was handling the releases, now that Warner Bros. has taken over, they haven't involved him beyond giving him updates on what is being done. He added that he gets why fans might have felt let down by the recent Blu-ray release.

"The one thing we never did with the fans was make them feel cheated," Jackson told the site. "Back in the original release, we always put extra material in, extra documentaries – a lot of added value. I so totally understand why the fans would be upset; I don't disagree with them."
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A feature to eliminate all talking trees would be great.
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Originally Posted by LosingMyMind
A feature to eliminate all talking trees would be great.
Seriously? What's wrong with the talking trees? They only play a vital part in Two Towers. And adding that sequence where they helped Gandalf and Aragorn at the end made much more sense as it explained how they really won that battle as we never got to see that in the original version. Plus I love the whole line..."Weeee haaaaave deeecided.......you are not orcs."
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Originally Posted by obidawsn
Seriously? What's wrong with the talking trees? They only play a vital part in Two Towers.
Which is one of the reasons that's my least favorite of the trilogy. IDK what it is, I just really don't like them ha.
Old 04-28-10 | 02:35 AM
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There are still quite a few deleted scenes that haven't seen the light of day. Fingers crossed that those turn up on the Blu...
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Wow. Sales of that TE box set will plummet now. This will surely be a decider for anyone on the fence.
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I still don't like this talk of waiting for the EE's until the Hobbit is out. That's like 2.5 years, no?
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Originally Posted by bunkaroo
I still don't like this talk of waiting for the EE's until the Hobbit is out. That's like 2.5 years, no?
Where exactly did this talk originate, anyway? Who began this rumor? From what I recall many months ago, Peter Jackson said that the extended editions would come out about a year after the theatrical editions. Did he later amend that statement, or was it someone else who said they'd release concurrently with The Hobbit?
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It's on the Internet so it must be true!
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Originally Posted by doctorthodt
Where exactly did this talk originate, anyway? Who began this rumor? From what I recall many months ago, Peter Jackson said that the extended editions would come out about a year after the theatrical editions. Did he later amend that statement, or was it someone else who said they'd release concurrently with The Hobbit?
Why from this very thread!

Originally Posted by Scorpio
http://bluray.ign.com/articles/108/1086145p1.html

Pellerin told the site that Jackson himself supervised the creation of new HD masters of the films for the Blu-ray release. There were existing HD masters available, but they had been created a decade ago when the films were released in theaters and were not up to today's standards. New Line had originally planned an ambitious box set that would have included the extended editions, but when the company was folded into Warner Bros. the decision was made to hold off until the full set could be released in conjunction with The Hobbit's debut in theaters. The theatrical edition that came out on April 6 was a compromise solution, getting a Blu-ray edition out there while reserving some content for the ultimate box set. It did have some technical tweaks, however, like color corrections and an improved audio presentation for The Fellowship of the Ring.
It should be noted this is not the first occurrence of the release coinciding with The Hobbit, but it seems to be a reinforcement of the earlier statements. I certainly hope it's not true, but there you have it.

EDIT: Here's something from January which may have started the talk - I found this via Google:

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=4088

Warner Exec Confirms Hobbit Delay – No Extended LOTR Blu-ray till 2012?

Posted January 27, 2010 06:44 AM by Juan Calonge


New Line CinemaWarner Bros. COO Alan Horn (who also oversees New Line Cinema, which became a part of WB in early 2008) has said that the most probable date for the theatrical release of 'The Hobbit' would be in the fourth quarter of 2012, thus confirming earlier reports (see blu-ray.com, December 1, 2009). In that case, the theatrical version of the 'Lord of the Rings' trilogy (due out on April 6) could be the only one available on Blu-ray for a long time.

For 'The Hobbit', New Line shares financing rights with MGM/UA, which bought the original rights in 1969; the complication this time around is that MGM could soon sell those rights as part of its restructuring.

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I've heard Jackson mention hours upon hours of deleted scenes and good alternate takes that were filmed and finished that he wants to release - maybe we'll finally get those.
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Originally Posted by slop101
I've heard Jackson mention hours upon hours of deleted scenes and good alternate takes that were filmed and finished that he wants to release - maybe we'll finally get those.
Here are some known ones (from Wikipedia):

The Fellowship of the Ring

* Additional footage from the Battle of the Last Alliance during the prologue.
* An obscure shot from the trailers of two Elven girls playing about in Rivendell.
* Scene mentioned in the commentary, about an animal disrupting Frodo and Sam while they sleep, after seeing the Wood Elves. Many animals were used, including rabbits and deer.[10]
* Dialogue from the Council of Elrond, such as Gandalf explaining how Sauron forged the One Ring.[10]
* An attack by Orcs from Moria on Lothlórien after the Fellowship leaves Moria. Jackson replaced this with a more suspenseful entrance for the Fellowship. Much of the lost footage can be seen as promotional material on The Fellowship of the Ring theatrical DVD and tie-in books, documentary footage on the Extended Editions, and Trading Cards.
* Longer scene of Boromir trying to take the Ring.[10]
* Frodo seeing more parts of Middle Earth when he put the Ring on.[10]
* More battle footage from Parth Galen.[10]
* An attack on Frodo and Sam at the river Anduin by an Uruk-hai.[10]

The Two Towers

* More Arwen footage, including a flashback scene of her first meeting with a beardless Aragorn (seen in The Two Towers trailer).
* Faramir having a vision of Frodo becoming like Gollum.[13]
* Footage of Arwen at Helm's Deep, cut by Jackson during a revision to the film's plot. Foreshadowing this sequence were scenes where Arwen and Elrond visit Galadriel at Lothlórien (seen in The Two Towers trailer). The scene was edited down to a telepathic communication between Elrond and Galadriel.[13]
* Théoden speaking to the troops in the armoury, prior to the Battle of Helm's Deep.
* Éowyn defending the refugees in the Glittering Caves from Uruk-hai intruders.[29]
* An unknown scene displayed in The Two Towers trailer of Éomer lowering a spear while riding his horse in a forest.
* Frodo and Sam fighting on the ground in Osgiliath (after Sam tackles Frodo away from the Ringwraith). The scene's fighting was deleted, but Frodo drawing Sting and pointing it at Sam after he is tackled was left in.[30]

The Return of the King

* A line of dialogue during the death of Saruman, in which he reveals that Wormtongue poisoned Théodred, giving further context as to why Wormtongue kills Saruman, and Legolas in turn kills Wormtongue.[31]
* A conversation between Elrond and Arwen in a library in Rivendell, after Arwen decides to wait for Aragorn. Elrond leaves, saying, "You gave away your life's grace. I cannot protect you anymore."[32]
* Sam using the Light of Eärendil to pass the Watchers at Cirith Ungol.
* Aragorn having his armour fitted during the preparations for the Battle of the Black Gate. This was the final scene filmed during principal photography.[19]
* Sauron fighting Aragorn at the Black Gate. A computer-generated Troll was placed over Sauron due to Jackson feeling the scene was inappropriate. Sauron is also seen in a beautiful form as Annatar, Giver of Gifts.[19]
* Also at the Black Gate sequence, Pippin was seen in the trailer holding a wounded Merry.
* Further epilogue footage, including that of Legolas and Gimli, as well as Éowyn and Faramir's wedding and Aragorn's death and funeral.
I would love to have all of these included in the BR set, including the Aragorn vs. Sauron fight with completed effects.
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MORE EPILOGUE?! Fuck that.
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Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC
MORE EPILOGUE?! F*ck that.
What's the matter, the first seven endings were enough for you?

While they're at it, maybe they could also tack on a few thousand more fan club names.
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I watch the series once a year during the Christmas season, my dvds will keep me satisfied until 2012.
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I've stated since the beginning that I wouldn't be happy picking up the set unless it included both cuts of the films, and everything from the three DVD releases. While I'm still not 100% sure based on that article, it looks like we'll be getting that and more.

I have the Limited Editions, so I'll be fine holding off.
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So Jackson is responsible for the horrible video quality on The Fellowship. I hope he rectifies the issue in the extended version.
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Re: LOTR Extended and Hobbit future extras.

Originally Posted by MTRodaba2468
I've stated since the beginning that I wouldn't be happy picking up the set unless it included both cuts of the films, and everything from the three DVD releases. While I'm still not 100% sure based on that article, it looks like we'll be getting that and more.

I have the Limited Editions, so I'll be fine holding off.
That will never happen.
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If anything he should cut that scene w/ him and some of the crew in RoTK. Totally kills the suspense and mystery of Aragorn and crew's little predicament in those caves.
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The Two Towers

* Éowyn defending the refugees in the Glittering Caves from Uruk-hai intruders.[29]
this scene is also featured in the trailer for Two Towers, as she is hiding from a stalking Uruk-hai
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Jackson has similar plans for The Hobbit when it eventually comes out on Blu-ray and DVD.
Let's hope he's referring to a loaded Blu and not referring to holding back content for a decade for a later release.
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I was always going to wait for the EE anyways, so nice to know they'll be jam-packed once they finally arrive.

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