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DthRdrX 11-09-09 05:45 PM

Re: Star Trek: Nov 17
 
I'd give the movie a 5.

Kal-El 11-09-09 06:20 PM

Re: Star Trek: Nov 17
 

Originally Posted by DthRdrX (Post 9826007)
I'd give the movie a 5.

+1. So what if a reviewer gave the movie that score anyway, and that people agree with it? What's it to you?

slop101 11-09-09 07:01 PM

Re: Star Trek: Nov 17
 

Originally Posted by Kal-El (Post 9826075)
+1. So what if a reviewer gave the movie that score anyway, and that people agree with it? What's it to you?


Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 9825276)
It's a good movie, but certainly not a 5/5 - so when they exaggerate like that, I really can't take the rest of their review seriously.

Seems like you think it's flawless because you apparently don't pay attention...

fumanstan 11-09-09 07:06 PM

Re: Star Trek: Nov 17
 

Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 9825962)
It's not about being new, it's about room to improve - a 5/5 means that there was nothing wrong with the movie and that it could not improve in any way, which is absolute nonsense. If you agree that the movie could not be improved on, well then you have no business reviewing movies.

That might be what it means to you, but I don't think others share the same scale. I don't think any movie is perfect :shrug:

Supermallet 11-09-09 10:33 PM

Re: Star Trek: Nov 17
 

Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 9825962)
It's not about being new, it's about room to improve - a 5/5 means that there was nothing wrong with the movie and that it could not improve in any way, which is absolute nonsense. If you agree that the movie could not be improved on, well then you have no business reviewing movies.

It doesn't necessarily mean that it can't be improved upon. 99% of movies can be improved upon. It doesn't make sense to withhold a 5/5 score for an astonishingly small handful that don't need a single frame touched. I gave Star Trek 5 stars when I reviewed it. I'll bet there are a bunch of 5 star reviews for it around.

slop101 11-09-09 10:55 PM

Re: Star Trek: Nov 17
 
I guess I just see it as a good movie instead of a great one. I suppose that with so many people actually liking drivel like Transformers, it's no surprise that Trek is seen as a masterpiece by comparison.

Numanoid 11-09-09 11:50 PM

Re: Star Trek: Nov 17
 
I wonder how many four star reviews Ebert has given. Or anyone else for that matter. Reserving them for "perfect movies" is ridiculous. Maybe if it was a 100 point scale.

slop101 11-10-09 12:41 AM

Re: Star Trek: Nov 17
 
Ah, 4-stars are different - that site, since they give .5s, is basically on a 10-point scale.

Josh Z 11-10-09 11:07 AM

Re: Star Trek: Nov 17
 

Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 9826155)
That might be what it means to you, but I don't think others share the same scale. I don't think any movie is perfect :shrug:

I don't think perfection is necessarily required. No movie is absolutely perfect. However, a 5-star rating generally connotes something of a "masterpiece" level.

The snow monster scene, the puffy hands scene, the beaming-from-a-planet-onto-a-ship-in-mid-warp-a-hundred-light-years-away-when-they-don't-even-know-where-it-is scene, Scotty trapped in the cooling pipes, and other pieces of lazy scripting and pointless nonsense really hold this movie back from greatness.

I liked the Star Trek reboot. I really did. But a 5-star masterpiece? No way.

sauce07 11-10-09 11:41 AM

Re: Star Trek: Nov 17
 
a movie doesn't have to be "perfect" to get a 5/5

North by Northwest gets a 5/5 from me despite the little kid plugging his ears before the gun shot at Mount Rushmore.

Josh-da-man 11-10-09 12:51 PM

Re: Star Trek: Nov 17
 

Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 9827224)
The snow monster scene, the puffy hands scene, the beaming-from-a-planet-onto-a-ship-in-mid-warp-a-hundred-light-years-away-when-they-don't-even-know-where-it-is scene, Scotty trapped in the cooling pipes, and other pieces of lazy scripting and pointless nonsense really hold this movie back from greatness.

I liked the Star Trek reboot. I really did. But a 5-star masterpiece? No way.

Mostly agree. This would have been a much better movie had they axed some of the dumb shit, esp. "big hands I know you're the one" and Scotty in the pipes. They seem like sight-gags dropped into the movie to keep little kids from getting too bored.

I don't really mind the monsters, even if it's a little Star Warsy. Star Trek could use a few big monsters.

The transporter thing, though, was just cringe-inducing. That scene would have played much better if Scotty had had some kind of souped-up little warp ship that they could use to catch up with the Enterprise.

fumanstan 11-10-09 01:13 PM

Re: Star Trek: Nov 17
 

Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 9827224)
I don't think perfection is necessarily required. No movie is absolutely perfect. However, a 5-star rating generally connotes something of a "masterpiece" level.

The snow monster scene, the puffy hands scene, the beaming-from-a-planet-onto-a-ship-in-mid-warp-a-hundred-light-years-away-when-they-don't-even-know-where-it-is scene, Scotty trapped in the cooling pipes, and other pieces of lazy scripting and pointless nonsense really hold this movie back from greatness.

I liked the Star Trek reboot. I really did. But a 5-star masterpiece? No way.

When I watched the movie for a second time at the dollar theater those scenes didn't bother me at all. The only one that I really didn't care for was the Scotty in the pipes scene, but even then I don't think it hurts the movie that much. The movie itself was fairly light hearted and not ultra serious so that a few silly things fit in without being much of a distraction or breaking the tone of the movie.

Don't get me wrong, I don't consider Star Trek a 5/5 movie either, but I can easily see why there are reviewers who would rate it that highly.

islandclaws 11-10-09 01:37 PM

Re: Star Trek: Nov 17
 

Originally Posted by sauce07 (Post 9827300)
a movie doesn't have to be "perfect" to get a 5/5

North by Northwest gets a 5/5 from me despite the little kid plugging his ears before the gun shot at Mount Rushmore.

I dunno... I would think only a perfect film deserves a perfect score. I just watched North by Northwest last night, thought it was fantastic, but I'd give it 4.5/5. It just wasn't totally flawless, but it's a damn fine film.

Chew 11-10-09 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by sauce07 (Post 9827300)
North by Northwest gets a 5/5 from me despite the little kid plugging his ears before the gun shot at Mount Rushmore.

I watched the Blu over the weekend and that's all I can focus on whenever I see that scene now. :lol:

milo bloom 11-11-09 10:39 AM

Re: Star Trek: Nov 17
 
So, I just picked up my first Blu Ray, UP, since I had the $10 off coupon at Target and they were selling it for $19.99, so ten bucks for four discs was too good to pass up. Now, I have a $5 Reward Zone cert. and I was thinking there was a BR/DVD combo for Star Trek for some reason, but apparently not. Am I nuts or was I just hoping there was one? I don't even have a player yet, but I figured I could start picking up these combo packs for now and I don't want to have to double dip on the new Star Trek movie.

ds6161 11-11-09 11:29 AM

Re: Star Trek: Nov 17
 
What?? not selling below $20??
Looks like a rent for me..

WMAangel 11-11-09 12:42 PM

Re: Star Trek: Nov 17
 

Originally Posted by ds6161 (Post 9829504)
What?? not selling below $20??
Looks like a rent for me..

Star Trek will be only $19.96 in store at Walmart next week...it is in their latest ad...

Josh Z 11-11-09 01:20 PM

Re: Star Trek: Nov 17
 

Originally Posted by sauce07 (Post 9827300)
a movie doesn't have to be "perfect" to get a 5/5

North by Northwest gets a 5/5 from me despite the little kid plugging his ears before the gun shot at Mount Rushmore.

I think a continuity error is more forgivable than something that's been written or conceived poorly (like the snow monster scene). Either the writers and director didn't realize that it would be a mistake, or did and decided to go through with it anyway. Nobody accidentally stages a major special effects scene and has a team of VFX artists animate in elaborate CG monsters by mistake. They planned that scene out, staged it, and executed it. And the result is a dumb piece of filler that shouldn't be in the movie.

The kid plugging his ears, that's just a flub.

Josh Z 11-11-09 01:25 PM

Re: Star Trek: Nov 17
 

Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 9827529)
When I watched the movie for a second time at the dollar theater those scenes didn't bother me at all. The only one that I really didn't care for was the Scotty in the pipes scene, but even then I don't think it hurts the movie that much. The movie itself was fairly light hearted and not ultra serious so that a few silly things fit in without being much of a distraction or breaking the tone of the movie.

I'll be honest, I watched the Blu-ray last night (after writing that earlier post), and none of those things bothered me quite as much the second time around. Perhaps knowing about them in advance helped to temper the disappointment.

I still think the movie would be better without them, but I'm inclined to bump my score up half a star.

Still not 5/5, though. :)

Solid Snake 11-11-09 01:44 PM

Re: Star Trek: Nov 17
 
It's not a perfect film but it's a damn entertaining and good film at that. If it had minus some of that humor that was bit too much it'd be fine. Also...Spock kissing like crazy in those few moments...just weird.

chaingunsofdoom 11-11-09 05:28 PM

Re: Star Trek: Nov 17
 
Saw that HMV is doing a BR exclusive set with the badges up here... (looks like the Best Buy US one) might have to check it out next week.

http://www.hmv.ca/Products/Detail/542747.aspx

Josh Z 11-12-09 09:55 AM

Re: Star Trek: Nov 17
 

Originally Posted by chaingunsofdoom (Post 9830485)
Saw that HMV is doing a BR exclusive set with the badges up here... (looks like the Best Buy US one) might have to check it out next week.

Futureshop will have a Steelbook edition also, FYI.

DthRdrX 11-12-09 03:40 PM

Re: Star Trek: Nov 17
 

Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 9829857)
I think a continuity error is more forgivable than something that's been written or conceived poorly (like the snow monster scene). Either the writers and director didn't realize that it would be a mistake, or did and decided to go through with it anyway. Nobody accidentally stages a major special effects scene and has a team of VFX artists animate in elaborate CG monsters by mistake. They planned that scene out, staged it, and executed it. And the result is a dumb piece of filler that shouldn't be in the movie.

The kid plugging his ears, that's just a flub.

Just a flub? In a Hitchcock movie? The man was so meticulous about every single shot I still can't believe it ever happened.

Now some of you need to lighten up ... it's Star Trek which has always been filled with goofy stuff! :)

slop101 11-12-09 04:21 PM

Re: Star Trek: Nov 17
 

Originally Posted by DthRdrX (Post 9832472)
Just a flub? In a Hitchcock movie? The man was so meticulous about every single shot I still can't believe it ever happened.

That's probably why Hitchcock hated using kids, since he couldn't control them like he could everything else. I'm sure that flub bothered him more than anyone else.

AmityBoatTours 11-12-09 06:10 PM

Re: Star Trek: Nov 17
 
Awesome so glad i canceled my amazon order for star trek( along with every other pre order i had with them)

Star Trek will be only $19.96 in store at Walmart next week...it is in their latest ad...


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