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Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
(Post 9045360)
I expect people who own the format, or those who are interested in owning the format to post. But those who want it to fail...I don't understand why they would spend time posting. I find it strange.
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Originally Posted by slymer
(Post 9049154)
Why would anyone want it to fail?
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Originally Posted by chanster
(Post 9049050)
Actually that article that Pro B posted about Wal Mart seems to support the idea that retailers are getting on board with digital delivery, while "packaged media" is slowly on its way out.
Originally Posted by chanster
(Post 9049050)
If you strip away the analyst quote and just look at what the actual Wal Mart exec says:
Last time I checked, Blu Ray discs still only contain movies. It seems from the quote that video games are definitely getting an expansion. Pro-B |
Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
(Post 9049063)
I guess that only goes to help prove that Downloads are on their way!
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/A...-In-Reno-98856 AT&T Starts Metered Billing Trial In Reno Earlier this year, AT&T began laying the political and public relations groundwork for a shift toward metered billing, throwing comments to the press about how such a shift was "inevitable," while company lobbyists began dropping vague hints that a billing shift was coming. Last summer, executives at the company announced that the telco would be conducting a metered billing trial this fall. The time for that trial has arrived, and Broadband Reports has learned that Reno, Nevada will be the lucky first market. Last Friday, AT&T filed this (pdf) notice with the FCC that confirms the nation's largest ISP will be conducting a metered billing trial in Reno. This local market trial underscores our commitment to bring bigger, faster and smarter broadband networks to more and more communities at affordable rates. -AT&T Memo Existing flat-rate profits weren't to AT&T CTO John Donovan's liking, the exec complaining last summer that "traffic on our backbone is growing 60 percent per year, but our revenue is not." Earlier this year I floated the idea that the FCC's investigation of Comcast benefited AT&T in more ways than one, and the FCC's supposed love of transparency was in part aimed at opening the door to metered billing. AT&T's filing with the FCC is clear to highlight how much this new metered move is about AT&T's love of "transparency," not protecting U-Verse TV revenues from Internet video, or ramping up already impressive profits: Consistent with AT&T’s belief that consumers should have clear information about the capabilities of their broadband Internet access services and any meaningful limitations on those service, AT&T will be providing written notice to customers involved in the trial explaining that their broadband service will be subject to a certain monthly usage tier for the total amount of data they may send and receive, as well as a per gigabyte charge in the event they exceed the usage tier. New customers in Reno this month are finding that their shiny new DSL tier comes with caps ranging from 20 to 150 gigabytes per month, depending on which service speed tier a customer signs up for (AT&T offers DSL tiers ranging from 768kbps to 6Mbps). The filing says that later this year, existing customers in Reno will become a part of this trial should their monthly usage exceed 150 GB in one month. Should customers in Reno exceed the 150GB usage limit, AT&T is currently considering charging them an additional $1 per gigabyte. That's in line with Time Warner Cable's current metered usage trial, news of which we first broke earlier this year. Unlike Comcast, who also has implemented caps of 250GB per month, AT&T will be offering up a usage tool to impacted customers. The company will also provide some kind of automated alert (perhaps banner injection technology?) once a customer hits 80% of their monthly allotted capacity. From the AT&T FCC filing: In addition, the first time a customer exceeds the applicable monthly usage tier, AT&T will send a written notice reminding the customer again about the usage tier, but we will not impose any additional charges at that time. Only after the second time the customer exceeds the applicable monthly usage tier will the customer be subject to additional per-gigabyte charges. Finally, in the event a new or existing customer does not want to participate in the trial, we will permit the customer to cancel their broadband Internet access service without an early termination penalty. Well aren't you a sweetheart, AT&T. Combined with your planned piracy filters and wholesale funneling of customer data to the NSA (pdf), you're becoming a real charmer. Despite denying to us earlier this year that you were making subtle flirtations with metered billing, it's now pretty clear this is an idea you've lusted after for a while. According to documents, AT&T may extend the trial into additional markets later this year, so Reno customers won't be the only lucky netizens to experience AT&T's new broadband profit vision. According to AT&T, it's for your own good. "This local market trial underscores our commitment to bring bigger, faster and smarter broadband networks to more and more communities at affordable rates," an announcement is expected to read. Update: AT&T Spokesman Seth Bloom contacts me to add: "One minor point I’d make - we may extend the trial to ONE other market by the end of the year...not markets plural..." |
Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
(Post 9049532)
Last time I checked, amongst other things, Blu-ray also contains games.
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I think Pro-B was referring to the fact that all PS3 games are on Blu-ray discs.
Edit: Or maybe he wasn't referring to PS3 games, but they are on Blu-ray discs. |
Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
(Post 9049576)
SD films are typically 1GB while HDs are 3-4GB. Do you think people watch 30-40 HD films a month? Most rent a movie or two a week and thats it. But regardless, all the "doom and gloom" over internet caps have been pretty funny. I've yet to be affected by it nor anyone else I know. |
Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
(Post 9049532)
Actually, from all packaged media Blu-ray is what currently is growing, hence the industry's support and plans for expansion at Walmart stores.
I don't mind stripping the analysis but fact of the matter is that, as expected, you are not deducting properly. And producing incorrect statements. Last time I checked, amongst other things, Blu-ray also contains games. Pro-B And none of this bullshit, PS3 games are video games, not "Blu Rays" as the term is being bantered around here. Unless you want to start including PS3 games as Blu Rays sold, which I'm sure you would be happy to do to distort the numbers. |
Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
(Post 9049532)
Actually, from all packaged media Blu-ray is what currently is growing, hence the industry's support and plans for expansion at Walmart stores.
Pro-B |
Originally Posted by Suprmallet
(Post 9049630)
I think Pro-B was referring to the fact that all PS3 games are on Blu-ray discs.
Edit: Or maybe he wasn't referring to PS3 games, but they are on Blu-ray discs. |
Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
(Post 9049717)
I'd hope so. I have yet to be impressed with any of the games on BD discs (movies not PS3 games).
However, Resistence 2 may change that. |
Originally Posted by candyrocket786
(Post 9049721)
I have yet to be impressed with any PS3 Games.
However, Resistence 2 may change that. |
Originally Posted by candyrocket786
(Post 9049721)
I have yet to be impressed with any PS3 Games.
However, Resistence 2 may change that. |
Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
(Post 9049698)
SD films are typically 1GB while HDs are 3-4GB.
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Originally Posted by Jim
(Post 9049811)
HD downloads are only 3-4GB? Don't movies on DVD take up more space than that? Are the HD downloads about DVD quality?
The HD downloads look far superior to DVDs but not better than Blu-ray. |
Originally Posted by chanster
(Post 9049702)
Puh-leeze. If I am not deducting something correctly, please tell me the error I have made.
And none of this bullshit, PS3 games are video games, not "Blu Rays" as the term is being bantered around here. Unless you want to start including PS3 games as Blu Rays sold, which I'm sure you would be happy to do to distort the numbers. “We believe Wal-Mart is increasing its exposure to consumer electronics, video games and Blu-ray, and reducing floor space devoted to CDs and standard DVDs,” said Richard Greenfield, analyst with Pali Capital, in a note. Pro-B |
Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
(Post 9049821)
The HD downloads look far superior to DVDs but not better than Blu-ray.
Pro-B |
Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
(Post 9049822)
With other words, apparently Walkmart is expanding floor space for the products that sell and shrinking exposure for those that reveal declining numbers.
Pro-B I remember the very large UMD selection at Wal-Mart and Target as well. It kept expanding and expanding...and now, well, you know what happened. |
Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
(Post 9049821)
The HD downloads look far superior to DVDs but not better than Blu-ray.
Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
(Post 9049831)
Really? This is news to me. What downloading service do you use that matches Blu-ray quality?
Pro-B |
My mistake I misread the quote.
Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
(Post 9049845)
After the Holidays will be very telling - either BD remains the same, grows in size, or shrinks (like most departments due after the Holidays). Of course I'd love to know what "growing" means. Last I checked mine still has 30 or so BD titles right next to the hispanic music.
Pro-B |
Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
(Post 9049867)
Sure it will be. For now, we move one step at the time. At least we know that the trend is toward expansion of floor space and greater promotion. When Q4 ends then we could debate whether or not the performance was good.
Pro-B |
Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
(Post 9049576)
This way?
Pro-B Netflix Roku box Xbox 360 streaming Netflix and also through their marketplace PS3 streaming stuff through their marketplace Amazon downloads through Tivo Netflix streaming through browsers Youtube streaming through Tivo, and PS3 Hulu streaming through PS3 Joost LG's BD300 that streams Samsung P2500 and P2550 VOD through cable companies. iTunes Zune marketplace Just some off the top of my head so I'm probably missing much more. Many of those changes are things that will appear towards the end of the year. An ISP changing their rates doesn't equal downloading will go away. No matter how many times you shake your head like a child inflicted with Tourette's, it doesn't change the fact that video downloads are increasing. “We believe Wal-Mart is increasing its exposure to consumer electronics, video games and Blu-ray, and reducing floor space devoted to CDs and standard DVDs,” said Richard Greenfield, analyst with Pali Capital, in a note. Greenfield said the chain’s floor space devoted to DVD, including Blu- ray, ranged from up modestly to down slightly. Can anyone name some other products that have had lots of articles saying the product is dying or is a failure and then it came back to win the hearts and minds of Americans? I'm genuinely asking this because I can't think of one off the top of my head. Anyone? Will BR be the first? Is that what pro-b meant when he was talking about the many unnamed firsts BR will do? |
Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
(Post 9049867)
When Q4 ends then we could debate whether or not the performance was good.
Pro-B |
Originally Posted by applesandrice
(Post 9049879)
So, not another word on it 'til then, right? Deal!!
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Originally Posted by Mister Peepers
(Post 9049882)
I will buy you apples and rice if that comes true.
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