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This shit has to end.

Thank you.

As I've mentioned many times, I've been supporting Blu-ray since January 2007 - when HD DVD was still coming in at #1 in the Nielsens over Blu-ray week after week. I waitied until they had a few films I would want to own and then jumped aboard. Looking at your posting history you bought into Blu-ray when the PS3 came out - a whole month or two before me (if you got it on release day). So I guess we both supported Blu-ray at the same time then, eh?

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Blu win every week in 2007?

How does January 2007 fit in to that? Just curious - I wasn't really paying attention to numbers back then.

Either way, Blu-Ray didn't really get going until Q1 2007 when Fox started releasing more as well as high profile titles Casino Royale. ALso better players were available after the end of November like the PS3, BDP-S1 and others. The Samsung was crap and I specifically stayed away from it.

That was also the same Q1 2007 where Universal did a near disappearing act. I remember because up until that time I was favoring HD DVD, but once they pulled that shit I changed my preference and made sure I bought every dual-format title on Blu - a decision I am very glad I made since many of the Paramount titles went OOP for a while. This was all while I saw still actively purchasing HD DVD titles which were only on HD DVD - so essentially just Uni titles.

It's always been my opinion HD DVD did more to kill itself than Blu-Ray did to kill it.

Outstanding post, thanks! :up:

HD DVD won the Nielsens in all (or up until December at least) of 2006. Blu-ray started winning in 2007 thanks to the PS3. I picked up my PS3 (as like you I wouldn't touch the Samsung and Panasonic/Sony was way too expensive) in January 2007 around CES when Fox announced a ton of titles. I think that was the first or second week of January.

I mentioned this before, but I think everything is based on perspective on how far ahead the format should be. Some are comparing it to DVD, others feel it should be far ahead, others say it should be right on par, others think there hasn't been enough time, then there's the time spent competing with HD-DVD. There's a lot of ways to take the (few) numbers that come out and hence all the differing opinions and articles both regarding it's doom and success. It's quite weird.

Still, no offense to the people always involved with the debate, its almost as though you guys are becoming caricatures of yourselves :p For every negative article a few people are right on queue with the defense. It's surreal.

That's a great point.

I think all of the deals today on both hardware and software render this debate somewhat moot.

Whether the format remains niche or takes on DVD in a major way, the bar has now been set for consumer expectations on what the stuff should cost.

I am happy for it to remain niche as long as they keep pumping out quality titles in the sub-$20 range, which quickly fall thereafter.....market dominance be damned.

I am not here everyday so there is no way a casual person will know every post you make. I have noticed a pattern of negative posts or maybe I just see every negative post you make :)


Maybe it is not so much the format you have an issue with but some people who post postive news for us. Maybe you just feel a need to jump on their posts and prove them wrong.

Only you know.

My suggestion:

If you see a post you think is too positive about Blu-Ray or with a spin on it you disagree with. Move on and let it slide every now and then.

Don't worry be happy :)

Pick your battles for when they matter and maybe more people would listen and not say- There he goes again.

Go Team Dvdtalk!!

The only problem with that is it's a complete reversal when anyone posts anything bad, which is just what happened. The vocal pro people come out and say the negatives are wrong and that they shouldn't say such things.

We're only doomed to failure if one refuses to listen to both sides. No matter how much it sucks to hear something bad about something one likes, it only makes one ignorant to refuse to listen.

Back to the topic of sales though, I heard from my wife that tons of people were picking up Bu-ray players and movies at our closest Wal-Mart. She also ended up picking up 4 for me.

edit: My wife was even looking for the cheap BR player they had, even though if we get any more players, they will be PS3 so I can stream video and music from my PC.

People Definetly bought up the players and movies at Wal-Mart today. It was nuts, there were a few $15 titles I was sen just browsing through and they were hard to come by. The player they had on special was no where to be found either.. I was informed they had been picked off the pallet pretty quickly.

Your observation, however, is quite a bit off. People are discarding the negative comments precisely because they are reading, or listening if you will, and disagreeing with them. If people weren't listening they wouldn't be addressing the one-sided negativity that this forum harbors.

As I've noted so many times, a lot of the neutrality around here is painfully transparent. And the fact that so many people have spoken against it confirms it. What is even more transparent and impossible to avoid in such discussions is the fact that those who apparently seek to bring balance, whatever that is supposed to mean...a number of purchased BDs perhaps, happen to be ex-HDDVD supporters who apparently have a difficult time grasping the fact that there is one HD format left to benefit from.

That's the bottom line, really!

Pro-B

Not really what I saw. Gizmo posted a ytd figure showing ytd Blu-Ray was at 4%.

Pro-B was trying to say that it may be true that overall Blu-ray is at 4% but the trends are up not down. So currently Blu-Ray has a larger % of the market than it did earlier in the year. So if Blu-Ray was at 2% for the first 5 months and 6 % for the last 5 months for example The average may end up being 4% for the whole 10 months but that does not really give you a true picture of where Blu-Ray is at currently.


Gizmo did not seem to want to hear this and began just repeating his 4% posts. How is this having any discussion at all?

So to use Gizmo way of looking at numbers if I was earning $20,000 a year for 5 months and got a promotion to $60,000 and 5 months later I am asked what I am earning I need to say $40,000 because that is my average income for the 10 months?

How is this an accurate reflection of what i am truly earning at the time i am asked. the correct answer would be $60,000 in my world view.

From one moderator's point of view, the balance lies somewhere between the two extremes (I won't get into names since it should be obvious to most). Some users tend to over report on the negative news while other users tend to over report on the positive news. And many of the supposed "news" articles ... I think they are very biased and are borderline propaganda. IMHO, Blu-ray is neither doing great nor poorly. It's doing okay.

While I try to be optimistic and enthusiastic about Blu-ray, I want to make sure that the picture we paint is an accurate one. So you will often see me trying to discredit any article that says Blu-ray is doing awesome or awful, because neither of it is true.

Beg your pardon? In January 2007 Blu-ray was already outselling HD DVD 2:1 week after week.

You might be thinking of cumulative, since-inception figures, for which Blu-ray overtook HD DVD in February 2007.

I think that may be more to the point. In the current economy, where "flat" is the new "up", some people tend to think doing "okay" is great. And, when you compare it to some industry reports, when DVD growth stopped a few summers ago and this year DVD sales are actually down, Blu-ray looks even better.

I'm dizzy from all the spinning here. Caricatures indeed.

"GO team Dvdtalk!" Really?

I do think it is funny that the ZDNET blogger guy said 4% YTD a few weeks ago and a few of the members here bashed him, told me that number was completly wrong and the number was so wrong that they wouldn't even "acknowledge it"

So here you go. And for the record, I did buy a Sony S350, but I was wondering how well it upconverts ..can anyone help me on that.

Yes. This website has been a great source of help in finding Dvd deals and I hope Blu-Ray discs in the future.

The community in general has been helpful and a great group of people. I remember when I was more active going to Meets where members got to see each other and actually get to know each other in the real world.

So yes-

Go Team Dvdtalk! :)

-other-


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Yes, and whats more amusing is those people are no longer willing to discuss these now "official" numbers and would rather make up excuses for it and why this does not show the "trend" BD has been going through along with cryptic messages akin back to the format war days of "just you wait!". The only trend I am seeing is the Q4 trend where we got tons of hot summer movies on the format that are selling like gangbusters (Iron Man, Inc. Hulk, Indy).

I only pop in to threads like these once in a blue moon, and there's one constant: People are fighting with GizmoDVD on a regular basis about his tone, or whatever.

Just as a CASUAL observer in these threads, I have to say, that you indeed come off as either gloating, or simply saying 'I told you so'. Knowledge is power in a discussion, even if people don't realize what you're saying may be true, but conveying your points in such a way, intelligently with a touch of snyde, doesn't make people want to listen to you. I appreciate your efforts and numbers and figures and all that, but I'm tired of seeing this thread being overtaken by a 'users vs Gizmo' debate, and that's my final endpoint, I'm not really saying as much about Gizmo, as much I want to say that this is out of control at this point.

Blu-ray isn't on the hot track to overtake DVD, but DVD was a lot more accessible to people than Blu-ray is right now for numerous, numerous reasons. It's doing fine. Can we please just report the numbers and discuss from there without questioning the validity of the formats place in the market week after week?

True about the market being different. When Dvd was forming we had a ton of internet startups flush with cash almost giving away dvd's to grow in marketshare.

I miss those days of logging on each day to see what internet company was giving a coupon or reduced pricing to try to get people to "buy" from them.

I am not surprised HD-Dvd or Blu-Ray never grew at the rate dvd's did. How could they?

To be fair, we did have some BOGO deals for a while. I think I ended up paying around $5-7 each (maybe less) for some of them when they gave me price adjustment credits on the free discs.

The good news in that chart: Consumers spending went up over what was spent in 2007.

However, this number STILL does noting to denote actual units moved. It stands to reason that sales are higher this year strictly from the fact that for a good part of 2007, BDs were given away at half price in BOGOs. These deals pretty much evaporated, leaving little in the way of true bargains until last week. We know the revenue was much higher, but how many more units were moved this year than last?

What slice of disc sales did both formats carve out, total, for 2007?