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Kino has this:

so....only missing is the interview w/ the curator in Argentina. Wonder how long that one is cuz if that was the person that found (for some reason I doubt that) it....that's pretty fucking cool.

I guess UK all the way, eh?

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I feel dismayed to pass on the UK one, but can't play it.



I'd like to note amazon raised the price on the Kino. Was hoping they'd lower to $25, doesn't look like that will happen soon.

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Why? I saw a different list of specs (much shorter), so based on that list, the US is missing the commentary but that's it. It's a trade-off (UK has the commentary, US has the interview) but it doesn't seem as "instant decision" as you're making it out to be.

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shit shit shit shit shit - the commentary is a UK exclusive - what a kick in the nuts :mad:

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The commentary to me edges out the interview...of course..this is me assuming it's a good commentary. I didn't mean to make it an instant decision but most interviews as features don't really last long...or as long as I'd want I should say. I'm at the moment split much like I was w/ Waltz With Bashir...get the commentary from US or get the making of from the UK.

In that case..I got the UK.

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Waltz with Bashir though at the moment is dirt cheap from amazon.co.uk and also has deleted scenes not on the US edition - no contest there. As for the commentary on Metropolis - I always like reading Jonathan Rosenbaum's film review/essays - so it's an easy decision as well.

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You never know though...his commentary might be boring..and a boring commentary is never a good thing. I want more details on that interview. ATM though...UK BD has the win....

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Plus a not-insubstantial 56-page booklet. MoC's booklets are always fantastic.

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Got that one ordered. Also was lucky enough to see the Alamo Drafthouse screening at the Seaholm Power Plant here in Austin.

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Film looks just like that YouTube clip above... fantastic.

Re: Metropolis (KINO)
 

Just got an email from Amazon saying this has been delayed. I can't find a date, but the estimated arrival is December 06 2010 - December 10 2010.

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The new release date is November 23rd, I got the email today as well saying my new estimated arival is November 23rd.
Iam going to assume you are not a prime member hence your estimate arival being 12/6- 12/10

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Looks like I had the free shipping. It still usually only takes a day or two longer than the standard.

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Is this the version of Metropolis that TCM is showing next Sunday?

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Yes.

Also, the Paula Felix-Didier interview should be good. She appeared at the San Francisco Silent Film Festival last summer along with a film fan who had for years pursued rumors that a longer cut of Metropolis was held by her museum.

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I don't know why Kino is calling this is 'The Complete Metropolis' when it technically should be titled 'The Almost (But Still Not Quite) Complete Metropolis' whereas MoC edition simply has 'remastered and restored'

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I can't believe the Kino blu-ray doesn't have a commentary track. Lang scholar, David Kalat is an amazing commentarian, who would've been happy to record one if they couldn't use the one that MoC is using. What a bunch of shit.

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It figures... The Kino release is region-free while the MOC release is Region B locked.

It got my hopes up when I read that the Kino was region-free a couple of days ago.

Sigh...

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MoC reluctantly region-locked their edition due to a prior agreement with Kino, with both parties agreeing to lock their discs to their respective regions. Kino didn't, royally screwing MoC. Now Kino claims that the whole thing was an "authoring error" on their part. Regardless, the damage is done. Read all about it!

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Well, on the bright side, maybe this will get MoC to no longer region-lock their blu-rays.

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That's not going to happen. One, Eureka is run by adults, not bratty little children. Two, the basis of MoC region-locking their titles doesn't come solely from Kino. Just because Kino reneged on this deal doesn't give MoC license to back out of the region coding agreements they make with various other companies across the globe.

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Hey, don't piss on my hopes, Debbie-Downer!

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He's fucking doctor and you shall respect the title if not the man, man!

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Interesting. Thanks for the link.

I can't imagine why MoC would agree to that, considering their release is much more desirable.

I'm tossed now. On the one hand, I'm dying to get this on BD. On the other hand, I'd love to have the MoC packaging and book.

I may just order the MoC version and force myself to get a region free player, like the Sherwood BDP-5004. There are a number of other BDs that are region locked that I've been wanting.

Decisions, decisions...

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maybe in turn MoC can release a new pressing without the Region B encoding. Watch how many of us would buy MoC edition over Kino's.

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release a new pressing....where? Here in the US? With Kino around?

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^ in the UK of course, advertise the hell out of it that it's region free - sure, it's a pipe dream.

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Well, I just ordered the MoC version. Fuck Kino. :D
In Canada, the Kino version would have cost me $31.49 after tax. The MoC dual-format steelbook will cost me just under $30 CAD, shipped.

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You guys need to invest in a region free player. I don't regret my purchase at all.

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Ye....ah I just bought a blu-ray player through the Disney Reward promotion...:brickwl2:

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Well, I just ordered the dual format set. Apparently there's a workaround for the number of region switches for a PC Blu-ray drive, so I can use that to watch it. If I find it doesn't work, I'll order the Sherwood player.

Actually, I almost did order the Sherwood, until I realized it doesn't have optical out, only coaxial or analog.

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AnyDVD HD works great with Region B discs via HTPC.

My UK steelbook shipped this morning via Royal Air Mail.

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Where did you order from?

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Amazon UK.

A friend who preordered direct from Eureka actually already got it last week.

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So who's actually watched this version yet?

I've never seen Metropolis before. I only really got interested in finally watching it when that new footage was found. So it's been a long wait. According to the booklet that came with the Kino edition that there isn't just new footage, but the film is edited differently as well. Thanks to looking at Huppertz's score and notes and matching it with the 16mm version. How different is the cut outside of the new scenes?

And what still confuses the hell out of me is this whole film speed debate. It seems to always be mentioned that the run time of the film when it premiered was 153 minutes. This latest cut is very close to that time but because it's still missing scenes it is shorter (147 mins). It appears to run at 24 FPS. And the original score seems to link up perfectly fine at this speed.

It seems Lang left nothing that indicates exactly what the deal is, but of course running the film at a lower FPS makes the movements more natural. But that doesn't mean it was his intention, especially if it really did premiere at a length of 153 minutes. Are people still heavily debating this?

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I read that the US release has a lenticular slipcover. Can someone please post a pic of it? Thanks.

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The original score was composed to sync with 24 fps projection. At the time, sped-up motion was not something that bothered audiences, who perceived movies as being something completely "different" than reality anyway.

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Here's the cover.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g1...olis_cover.jpg

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Don't know how I missed this, but DVD Savant had a great article about this: http://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/s3200frame.html

It was actually projected at 26 FPS originally and, according to one correspondence, the frame-rate was decided before the film was even shot.

It's a tricky situation, because I can see many people finding the sped up movements being comedic and undercutting the dramatic elements but if it was intended that way then going against intention is rough. The 24 FPS was not really an issue for me, I never laughed anyway. A slowed down 20 FPS version would be very interesting to watch though.

Re: Metropolis (KINO)
 

Cool! Thanks Cobra! That is one nice looking slip. Kino did a great job on their first lenticular slipbox. :up: