Sony in Talks With Microsoft, Apple Over Blu-Ray
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Originally Posted by mbs
For example (speaking of garbage on PSN), I suppose you have not played Pain, Go!Ski, or the motion duckie game? I paid for all three of those (because PSN, unlike XBL, doesn't have demos) and each is utter garbage.
Now please resume your argument where you each fail to make the other change their opinion.
As an owner of all 3, I'm of the opinion that each has it pluses and minuses and some people will like one more than the other for different reasons.
The only one thing for sure is that right now the Wii is outselling them all, the 360 is 2nd and the PS3 is 3rd. Claiming to know how a system will do in the future because of things that haven't happened yet and fighting over it is stupid. Things change, anything can happen, games can end up being crap after months or years of hype.
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I remember when this used to be the Hi-Def forum
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Originally Posted by Shazam
I remember when this used to be the Hi-Def forum
Seems like it was warranted with all the
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
If that isn't a fanboy mentality, I don't know what is. I have to agree with Tracer and Supermallet. You are posting nonsense.
The PS3 is selling briskly now and with the introduction of the games mentioned earlier in this thread I don't see a reason why its positive performance won't continue.
Specifically as to the timely fashion posted by Suppermallet...what does it mean? Now, three months from now, six months, the end of the year? It is complete non-sense as the PS3 was not designed to perform as a game console only, hence its initial high-price tag.
The PS3 sells both as a media center and a game console and there will be more than enough funds to go towards software in addition to what is already being planned (strangely Microsoft will be the donor). So, the short-sited notion expressed in this thread that SONY must target the-hardcore gamers/X-BOX owners because this is where the business is is so far off it is not even worth discussing it. You don't have to be a gamer to see how SONY mapped their PS3 strategy. Or, do you?
I also repeatedly posted that the PS3 was designed with future being the foundation. It did everything right for BR thus far and with royalties on the horizon I have every reason to believe game developers will make it a long lasting success. This does not mean that it has to be on top of the video race nor does it mean that it must happen now. Unfortunately a few of the posters here have absolutely the same view on the entire market they had with HDDVD: now is the center of the universe.
Reality of course is different - the PS3 is still the leading BR player in addition to being a game console. So, until the SONY 2.0 players street I have every reason to believe that for them the priority is elsewhere, especially given the fact that no one expected Toshiba to end the war this soon.
Obviously for you an a few others the market looks rather different, which isn't surprising really as all of the comments I've read so far are centered around the idea that the PS3 is a game console only.
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The PS3 IS a game console. You can say it isn't all you want. But it is. Spare us this media hub bullshit that companies have been saying for damn near 20 years. People will buy video game consoles to SHOCK! play video games. Not to watch movies. Not in the numbers that make these things successful.
Spin until you are dizzy, but the PS3, right now, is a failure. All signs point to that failure continuing.
I just hope it doesn't drag HDM down with it.
Spin until you are dizzy, but the PS3, right now, is a failure. All signs point to that failure continuing.
I just hope it doesn't drag HDM down with it.
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Originally Posted by trespoochies
Is that a joke? Odd, I know more than one person who bought it with the intention to watch movies....
While those that bought the system for movies may be a high percentage, they are still an insignificant number compared to the number who buy game consoles to play games.
If there were a BD player from any other company that wasn't total shit would as many people have bought a PS3? Or if SAs were priced at a level where game features added a premium to the cost?
People did not seek out the PS3 because it was a media hub, but because it was the only reliable BD player available, and that group is still a small sample of the greater group of PS3 owners.
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So how did Blu Ray prevail over HD-DVD? I'm thinking the PS3 had something to do with it.....just a guess.....as Pro-B said, it's a media center, not a simple game console anymore. Sony basically was thinking a few steps ahead, at the risk of a quick death. They prevailed, and so will the PS3. Not sure why you're so hellbent against it. Anyhow, not my fight, I know whatever anyone says won't convince you. We'll know more of their intentions as the year progresses.
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Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim
The PS3 IS a game console.
Spin until you are dizzy, but the PS3, right now, is a failure..
Spin until you are dizzy, but the PS3, right now, is a failure..
Yesterday I addressed point by point your fabrications that:
Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim
IMO, Sony has already blundered on such an epic scale, it is astounding.
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Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
The only biased mentality here stems from the persistent statements that there aren't games for the PS3 now (don't come back to me with "system sellers" as the PS3 isn't about hardcore gamers only, the "system seller" so far has been excellent future proof BR performance) and it will only be a success if such are released in the future. Nothing could be further from the truth.
This means that right now (and for the foreseeable future) the only must-have app for the PS3 is Blu-ray. Now, let's think about this for a minute. If we're talking mass adoption, how many average people are going to purchase a Blu-ray player at $400? Not many. So right now you have the PS3 market as hardcore HD media fans and hardcore gamers, and only one of those markets is being catered to with any level of success. Where is the mass adoption going to come from?
It is complete non-sense as the PS3 was not designed to perform as a game console only, hence its initial high-price tag.
Now in what reality a Blu-ray 360 add-on in any way helps the PS3 I have no idea.
Obviously for you an a few others the market looks rather different, which isn't surprising really as all of the comments I've read so far are centered around the idea that the PS3 is a game console only.
Or put more simply: once you take away the PS3's sole system seller (as you yourself stated) what happens to the PS3?
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Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim
People did not seek out the PS3 because it was a media hub, but because it was the only reliable BD player available, and that group is still a small sample of the greater group of PS3 owners.
That's me
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Originally Posted by Tracer Bullet
This means that right now (and for the foreseeable future) the only must-have app for the PS3 is Blu-ray.
Originally Posted by Tracer Bullet
Now, let's think about this for a minute. If we're talking mass adoption, how many average people are going to purchase a Blu-ray player at $400? Not many. So right now you have the PS3 market as hardcore HD media fans and hardcore gamers, and only one of those markets is being catered to with any level of success. Where is the mass adoption going to come from?
Originally Posted by Tracer Bullet
No, it was not. Which is why the PS3 has been losing (and badly) this generation.
Originally Posted by Tracer Bullet
Now in what reality a Blu-ray 360 add-on in any way helps the PS3 I have no idea.
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You are ridiculous. Your have no grasp of the video game sector of the entertainment industry.
There have been plenty of systems that strove to be more than a video game system, and all of them failed badly.
Also, I am far from bashing everything Sony. I was a day one supporter of the PS1. A day one supporter of PS2. In my eyes, Sony took their eye off the ball, and their position of dominance has slipped away, and I blame the foolish decision to shoe-horn blu-ray into the system for no other reason than to inflate the installed base.
Games are not better because of Blu-Ray. Quite the contrary, there is no noticeable difference between 360 and PS3 versions of games.
They allowed Microsoft to get a full year's jump on them, and I don't understand why they did. This lead time was exactly the thing that allowed Sony to slam the door in MS's face last gen. Just as PS2 was releasing titles worth owning, MS launched with a "more powerful" product, with lackluster titles that never caught on like it could have.
Sound familiar?
I have said this 1000 times, and I think it bears repeating:
Sony sacrificed the top position in a known multi-billion dollar market in hopes of getting in on the ground floor of the next big media format. Time will tell if it was worth the gamble. Right now, it seems like it was a poor choice.
If people can get the library of 360 along with the ability to add in Blu-Ray if they choose, then to me, it is a death sentence for PS3. Right now, Blu-Ray is the best thing PS3 has going for it.
There have been plenty of systems that strove to be more than a video game system, and all of them failed badly.
Also, I am far from bashing everything Sony. I was a day one supporter of the PS1. A day one supporter of PS2. In my eyes, Sony took their eye off the ball, and their position of dominance has slipped away, and I blame the foolish decision to shoe-horn blu-ray into the system for no other reason than to inflate the installed base.
Games are not better because of Blu-Ray. Quite the contrary, there is no noticeable difference between 360 and PS3 versions of games.
They allowed Microsoft to get a full year's jump on them, and I don't understand why they did. This lead time was exactly the thing that allowed Sony to slam the door in MS's face last gen. Just as PS2 was releasing titles worth owning, MS launched with a "more powerful" product, with lackluster titles that never caught on like it could have.
Sound familiar?
I have said this 1000 times, and I think it bears repeating:
Sony sacrificed the top position in a known multi-billion dollar market in hopes of getting in on the ground floor of the next big media format. Time will tell if it was worth the gamble. Right now, it seems like it was a poor choice.
If people can get the library of 360 along with the ability to add in Blu-Ray if they choose, then to me, it is a death sentence for PS3. Right now, Blu-Ray is the best thing PS3 has going for it.
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Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim
The PS3 IS a game console. You can say it isn't all you want. But it is.
Spin until you are dizzy...
Spin until you are dizzy...
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Enough is enough.
Can those of you participating in this thread who own no XBox 360 games, no PS3 games, no HD DVD titles, and barely more than a dozen Blu-ray titles please refrain from acting as through you are an expert in the video game or High-Def media markets? Thank you for your assistance. It will be much appreciated by those of us who actually have a compelling interest in the topics we come here to discuss.
Can those of you participating in this thread who own no XBox 360 games, no PS3 games, no HD DVD titles, and barely more than a dozen Blu-ray titles please refrain from acting as through you are an expert in the video game or High-Def media markets? Thank you for your assistance. It will be much appreciated by those of us who actually have a compelling interest in the topics we come here to discuss.
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Originally Posted by trespoochies
Is that a joke? Odd, I know more than one person who bought it with the intention to watch movies....