Final Fantasy 13, Final Fantasy 13 Versus, Metal Gear Solid 4, Gran Turismo 5, Little Big Planet, Killzone 2, Infamous, Resistance 2, White Knight Chronicles (Level 5 is making it) and Tekken 6 seem to fit the criteria you're looking for.


Before someone starts with the " Final Fantasy is not coming out this year", here's a little something I just found that says we may get it this year afterall.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/858/858038p1.html

If those titles come out in a timely fashion, then the PS3 may have a fighting chance. Absolutely. I don't think Tekken 6 is a system seller, though. Resistance 2 isn't, either. The only reason Resistance sold so well on the PS3 is that it was the only launch title worth a damn. I don't think the sequel will do nearly as well. The FF games, MGS, Gran Turismo, Killzone, and maybe Little Big Planet will do very well. I personally can't wait for MGS and Little Big Planet.

But again, this just hammers home my point that the console wars are fought with games, not high def media.

Seriously, the console wars is the only technology war that makes it your worthwhile for a person to jump in. Each console has their own positives and exclusives that you can truly come away feeling good as a gamer with a 360 and PS3 purchase. Wii purchase not so much.

Microsoft has been threatening the PS3 ever since it came out.

But the PS3 is looking like a much better investment in the long run with the BD attachment which is why I was suggesting the 360 having a internal BD drive to create a competition for who has the best multimedia console.

You're assuming gamers care about being able to play Blu-ray movies...they don't. They care about games and the 360 holds all the cards. If they cared about Blu-ray you would see PS3 hardware sales through the roof...but their not. You would see PS3 games in the Top 10...but that does not happen very often.

Ive been a gamer since the NES days and I own 0 PS3 games. I have no interest in the console at all as a gaming machine. I own/ed almost every video game system available in the US including 3DO, TG16 and CDi. Still can't get myself up to actually buy a PS3 game.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on the Wii. I played Smash Bros. for 6 hours last night, then switched over to Super Metroid, then threw on some Mario Galaxy for good measure. The Wii is a great gaming machine.

Kinda OT...but have you been able to play online Brawl at all? Ive been trying for the past 2 days and out of 50 or so times where I fight the sand bag, I got to play 1 match without kicking me off. Too bad the 2 minute match was plagued with so much lag it took 10 minutes...ugh.

You say this because you're a 360 owner and pleased with it. Ill say it again, there are still 100+ million gamers who havent bought a 360 that can choose between a 360 and PS3 going forward. What happens from here on out is much, much more important now, especially when someone walks into a store and checks out the value of the ps3 vs the value of the 360 (tons of needed accessories, 100 buck wireless, pay to play online, no built in 1080p movie player, etc etc), its going to become a tougher and tougher sale for microsoft as time goes on. And the games will come, sony owns more gaming studios then any other company on the planet. Each one has great franchises. Square is still very loyal to sony (and im sure sony cut quite a few checks for that to happen, no doubt). And i have 6 PS3 games myself (and a lot more 360 games), and they are Fantastic games! Uncharted is absolutely astonishing and nothing on the 360 comes even close to it in presentation, style and wonderful storyline. Killer gameplay too. Its one of the most impressive games of this gen so far.

Having seen every major game on the 360 + PS3 up till this point, its safe to say that once the PS3 ramps up its games, its going to be very tough for microsoft to recover. Again, my opinion, but looking at the exclusive list of titles for 08 and 09 for the 360, its a very stale list of games that will play just like the old incarnations from xbox 1 or previous xbox 360 games. And fans of those styles of games already own 360s. JMO.

I think you're severely discounting the attraction of many of the 360 titles. Uncharted is fun, but it's short, and there's very little replayability. You're about the only person I've ever heard praise the PSN above Xbox Live. And Bioshock tops Uncharted in gameplay, presentation, and storyline.

Both are good systems, but right now the 360 has the edge on games. Can that change? Sure. Is Blu-ray movie playback going to be the deciding factor? Absolutely not.

It was hard to read past this sentence. You really think the games on PSN even come close to those on XBL? Seriously? I have both a 360 and a PS3. And I own probably around 6 PSN games. However, they are, on average, nowhere close to what XBL has.

For example (speaking of garbage on PSN), I suppose you have not played Pain, Go!Ski, or the motion duckie game? I paid for all three of those (because PSN, unlike XBL, doesn't have demos) and each is utter garbage.

I don't care whether the 360 or the PS3 win the prize for second this generation, but XBL is miles and miles better than PSN, IMO.

And to the discussion of games for the PS3, I own one (and about fourty 360 games), Motorstorm. That is one hell of a fun game.

I never discounted the attraction of the 360 games, but by this holiday season, they will be old news. I didnt see anyone going to best buy last year to buy a Xbox 360 to play Perfect Dark Zero or Kameo. They buy based on whats new and whats hot. 2007 Holiday season was really great for the 360. 2008 isnt looking like much at this point.

And the PSN is great for what its designed for, which is playing games online. Xbox live is awesome, but it has seen better days, and 95% of the XBL Arcade games are complete throwaways, while the PSN has some fantastic titles (Flow, Everyday shooter, Pixeljunk Monsters, etc), and a better signal to noise ratio, IMO. I think most would agree that theres a lot of junk on XBL Arcade (even tho there is some great stuff too of course). I dont do movie downloads, so i have no opinion either way on that portion of live. I also despise having to pay for it. You can justify it because it works great (when it works at least), but the i dont mind losing the cross game stuff for free online gaming which works as good if not at times better then lives online gaming. You guys are quick to discount the PSN, but it works just fine. And if you ask someone whos never seen Xbox Live, they will have 0 issues with it as well. It is just because you're so used to live.

Bioshock was a fun ride, but it felt like a game, where Uncharted felt more like a movie and more immersive. Of course everyone has different opinions on games, but most people i know who played and finished Uncharted absolutely adored it. You are 100%, absolutely right that as of right now, the 360 has the edge on games. If this gen of the console wars ended right now, it would be the 360 as the top console. But that is not the case. We are VERY early in this gen and everyone keeps saying theres no way to come back up for the ps3. I am just saying, its barely gotten started. Every major franchise from the playstation systems has yet to hit the PS3 other then Ratchet and Clank. I cannot say the same for the 360. They've played all their cards it seems.

Where did I say that the PS3 can't come back from its third place spot? I never said that. I only said it's not going to be Blu-ray playback that gets it there. And I'm sure Microsoft will have some serious heavy hitters come Christmas 08. They'd be fools not to.

As for the PSN, we'll just have to agree to disagree, but I find that Live is far more flexible than the PSN, and the fact that you can download demos of every marketplace game on Live means that the signal to noise ratio doesn't matter. The only game I've purchased from the PSN has been Tekken Dark Resurrection, and that was because I'd played the game before. Since so few games have had demos, I haven't purchased anything else. And the few that do have demos seemed very bland.

Agree to Disagree for sure.

I have to admit I'm a PC Gamer, but playing a game in High-Def on my 50" plasma does sound rather fun.

I think you'll be eating your words on this statement. I know a ton of people who loved Ressistance: Fall of Man, and are waiting for the sequel.

I know of over a dozen people off hand that purchase the system for R:FOM - that and the BD player

You know, I really have no idea if I was being serious or sarcastic when I wrote that. I think it was a bit of both, really.

Sometimes I think the only difference between Sony and Microsoft is that one is named Sony and the other is named Microsoft.

I love how PS fans love to throw the cost of Xbox Live out there constantly. If you look a little you can usually get 13 months of Xbox Live for around $40 (msrp is $50) which averages to $3.08 a month (or perish $3.85 if ou pay $50).

Oh my god! How can people afford that? Microsoft is obviously ripping people off!

I do not have a PS3 nor do I have an interest in one. But I know several people that do have both and they all state that the Xbox Live experience blows away their online experiences with the PS. I think most would agree that quality and a better online experience is worth paying $3 a month for.

If Sony charged for theirs...would there be any traffic? It appear they have to keep it free right now.

You bounce back and forth from the video game market to the home video market.

This is fact: In the VG market, PS3, from the same company that controlled 90% of the market previously is trailing in an extremely distant third place. An extremely underpowered competitor, the Wii, is outpacing them at a factor of 3 or 4 to one.

Compared to the expected performance from the the last generation, PS3 is a failure of Saturn proportions.

360 is selling like crazy despite the RRoD. Why? The library of GAMES. The PS2 was widely regarded as unreliable. Best selling system ever though. Why? The GAMES.
You are truly coming off as talking about stuff like you are an expert, while you only have passing knowledge of the topic. Unless PS3 brings the GAMES, then it will be a punchline in 10 years, just like the Saturn is now.

I think Supermallet and Tracer Bullet make excellent points here.

There certainly aren't 100 million+ gamers out there, at least not in the sense you apparently mean. The PS2 has sold over 100 million units because it had the greatest number of titles at a lower cost. Which current gen console(s) can say that currently? It's not the PS3.

Also, the PS3 needs to capture some of the casual market in order to begin to catch up to the 360 (forget about the Wii). Of course the problem is that the casual market is snatching Wiis up, leaving gamers to buy 360s, with the PS3 a distinct third place afterthought.

I don't think anyone is claiming the PS3 doesn't have some very good games. The problem is that these aren't system sellers.

Wouldn't that mean that they already own a PS3, thus meaning that Resistance 2 won't be a system seller?

This smacks of fanboy-itis and was basically ripped to shreds already but I find it funny that when this flawed argument doesn't work you whip out the overplayed RROD card:

If that isn't a fanboy mentality, I don't know what is. I have to agree with Tracer and Supermallet. You are posting nonsense. Visit the VG forum once in a while to actually get a feel for the temperament of gamers before posting this crap. You have this heir of elitism around here about BD, but when it comes to gaming you come off like a noob. Sit down before you hurt yourself.

The PS3 is a game machine first and a BD player second. It fails at the first and succeeds at the second. The future looks brighter, but even if the PS3 managed to catch up to the 360 (quadrupling sales monthly compared to the 360) and developers started to consider it as the lead platform you are still looking at an additional 1-2 years development time on a AAA title. So a year to catch up and another year to two for a lead platform AAA title. We will be looking at the new Xbox by then.

Like posted, Resistence isn't a system seller. It was the best launch title for people that were buying a PS3 anyway. It is Sony's Perfect Dark Zero. PD0 wasn't a system seller either. Gears of War, Halo, Mario Galaxy, and Wii Sports are. Sony hasn't had a system seller yet, I doubt MGS4 fits the bill either. At this point, I only see FFXIII wearing that shoe.

In the end, it is beneficial to the Blu camp to get as many players out there as possible for the format to be viable. Looking at it that way, how is a sub $200 player a bad way to go? Sounds like one of the best options out there. You have a pool of 18 million consumers ready to buy into the format. I think an external drive is inevitable.

Resistance 2 will be a hit on the PS3. It still has a pretty active online community and there is a lot of hype surrounding their 8 person online co-op and 60 player multi-player mode.

Resistance was the first game I played on the PS3. Haven't had a chance to play it much since starting up GRAW2 and Rainbow Six Vegas, but damn that game was intense. My last save point was at the Cathedral. To paraphrase Borat, those spider-looking-crawly-alien-facehugger-like-thingies are the pain in my asshole.

...among the relatively small group of PS3 owners who actually game on their systems.

No one is saying it won't be successful. But few believe people will buy a PS3 for the game, and that's what Sony is sorely lacking.