Is Fletch still coming out on HD-DVD next week?
I'd like to pick this one up myself.
-beebs
Bad disc=not copped
I love this movie, but I am not dealing with crap transfers anymore. I got owned on Wall Street, that isn't happening again. Why can't catalog movies look as good as 2001?
Bad disc=not copped
I love this movie, but I am not dealing with crap transfers anymore. I got owned on Wall Street, that isn't happening again. Why can't catalog movies look as good as 2001?
Last edited by darkside; 03-03-08 at 08:53 PM.
I will definitely be waiting for a review as well on this one. Unless I can get it really dirt cheap, a 3 star on PQ probably won't warrant an upgrade for me.
God damn 2001 looked great
However, you can't expect a film like Fletch shot on 35mm and a tight budget to ever compete with an epic from the 60s shot on 70mm film.
The 50s and 60s were the heyday of the format, but it was used after this such as the effects shots of Close Encounters and a variant is still used for Imax.
Last edited by darkside; 03-03-08 at 10:33 PM.
The soundtrack, on the other hand, is pretty uneven. Every time the theme music came up, I was reaching for the volume control (to turn it down). Wish they'd stuck with the original Dolby mix, as this is a dialogue-driven movie.
Bottom line: If you're a Fletch fan, get it on HD DVD. Who knows how long it'll take Uni to put it out on BD, and the price is right at 12 bucks and change.
So, it's pretty even, if you ask me. The Thing, Top Gun, The Deer Hunter, Full Metal Jacket, The Shining, 2001, Dog Day Afternoon, and I could go on, all benefit from an HD upgrade. So, which titles on HD from the 70's and 80's are you referring to? Top Gun wasn't amazing, but it was better than what I remember it.
Just my thoughts, and I am in no way an expert.
On the topic of Top Gun, Tony Scott frickin rules. He's like Michael Bay, in the sense that they both use super stylized action, except his movies don't su ck.
So, it's pretty even, if you ask me. The Thing, Top Gun, The Deer Hunter, Full Metal Jacket, The Shining, 2001, Dog Day Afternoon, and I could go on, all benefit from an HD upgrade. So, which titles on HD from the 70's and 80's are you referring to? Top Gun wasn't amazing, but it was better than what I remember it.
But other stuff like Caddyshack, Terminator, even The Shining left a little to be desired. Of course Shining isn't helped, at least for me, by the damned aspect ratio, but whatever. I'd love to see how good the full-frame HD looks; hopefully (doubtfully) WB will give us that someday.
I also didn't say all 70s and 80s films were bad. Just that the majority of the mediocre transfers I have watched seem to be from that era and a disturbing number of the films that underachieve in the video department seem to be from Universal. They will slap any old transfer on a HD disc and call it HD. Among the ones I watched that to me were lacking in video quality were: Meaning of Life, The Jerk, Clockwork Orange, Last Starfighter, Purple Rain, Midnight Run, Coming to America, Smokey and the Bandit and especially The Deer Hunter. Most of these were slight upgrades, but not really enough to upgrade from the DVD for. Deer Hunter, Last Starfighter, The Jerk and Meaning of Life stand out to me as being almost identical to the DVD transfers. Complete ripoffs in HD. There are probably several more, but those come to mind right away as disappointments. Thankfully I only rented most of them.
Can stuff from this era look great? Sure. Warriors, Blazing Saddles, Blade Runner, Dune, Trading Places and many others prove that. I just ran into many that were not ready for HD release. From the reviews Fletch seems to be one that is also only a minor upgrade from the DVD. If I can find it for $10 I may grab it, but it isn't a must on HD.
Last edited by darkside; 03-20-08 at 09:01 AM.
Just my thoughts, and I am in no way an expert.
Don't let that stop you from getting it if you like the movie, though. This is a very nice catalog release.
However, you can't expect a film like Fletch shot on 35mm and a tight budget to ever compete with an epic from the 60s shot on 70mm film.
The 50s and 60s were the heyday of the format, but it was used after this such as the effects shots of Close Encounters and a variant is still used for Imax.
effect shots for 'Blade Runner' were also shot in 65mm.
Last edited by Giles; 03-20-08 at 12:39 PM.
Among the ones I watched that to me were lacking in video quality were: Meaning of Life, The Jerk, Clockwork Orange, Last Starfighter, Purple Rain, Midnight Run, Coming to America, Smokey and the Bandit and especially The Deer Hunter. Most of these were slight upgrades, but not really enough to upgrade from the DVD for. Deer Hunter, Last Starfighter, The Jerk and Meaning of Life stand out to me as being almost identical to the DVD transfers. Complete ripoffs in HD.
This is why Blu-ray is screwed too. It appears things like display size , viewing distance, and resolution of the display have no meaning to you...and shouldn't carry any weight to anyone that may be reading by your opinion. Of those discs that you listed, the several that I have seen have been very worthwhile purchases...when viewed on a 1080p front pj with a screen size of between 80-100" wide with a viewing distance of about 1.25 screen widths. In this circumstance, they are a visible upgrade over their higher compressed, lower res counterparts. Just because you don't currently own either the gear or watch it in the circumstances that would reveal the difference doesn't mean the difference doesn't exist. And by pronouncing judgement on titles like thus scaring potential owners off you do every film fan who buys these for the inherent joy in the material first, a huge disservice. Low sales due to poor word of mouth from people w/ ignorant expectations negatively impact future releases.
Posts like yours remind me of the people who question whether such and such a movie really merits an hd release if the film is only a comedy or a drama without effects and explosions. High Def compared to standard def is like seeing the world thru a dirty, dingy pair of glasses versus a pair that has been wiped clean. Why on earth would you want to watch any movie you love with a pair of dirty glasses on?
Last edited by Paul_SD; 03-20-08 at 05:19 PM.
I said the others were minor upgrades and it is up to the individual to decide if it is worth it for them. If anything I am one of the few people that seem to want older films on HD. However, I expect a little bit of effort on the transfer and Universal has released more than a few discs that should have had more effort done on the transfer. Last Starfighter is a dirty print that could have been cleaned up for the HD version. I'm not expecting everything to get the kind of restoration Bladerunner or The Warriors received, but there is no excusing all of the mediocre efforts I have viewed in HD. Especially when so many of the few films that have been released from the 30s - 80s in HD look so amazing.
So yes, I want more films pre 90s in HD, but I think there should be some effort involved. I can fault very few Warner efforts and they release the most catalog stuff. Maybe that is because they are actually putting an effort into their releases that other studios like Universal need to match more often.
BTW, I bet the edge enhancement Universal uses on many of their catalog HD releases looks awesome on your 100" TV.
Last edited by darkside; 03-20-08 at 06:40 PM.
So I'll just say I love you, man.
All the other titles you mention (except Purple Rain) I'm not sure about as I don't own those nor have I rented them. But I do have 141 HD DVD titles, and very few would make me say titles are just slapped on HD in general. Yes, there are bad ones, but this is the exception, not the HD rule. I will agree Universal has it's problems, and they need to get with it, but still, I have several Universal releases which are darn good. I'm surprised you didn't add Casino to your list, because it's worse than Deer Hunter could ever be, although the colors do pop more than the DVD version.
Purple Rain was certainly inferior, but even then, I noticed some great definition in a few scenes which were better than the DVD.
Also, I lean more towards High-Def Digest's comments on the video (4/5 which I would give it as well) regarding Deer Hunter. I don't agree with DVD Talk's review in this case. I've seen Deer Hunter three times already on HD DVD because it's so good. Might even watch it again, since the subject has come up.
Last edited by DVD Polizei; 03-20-08 at 08:21 PM.
I'm not saying it is the same situation as stuff like 40 Year Old Virgin or Last Starfighter that Universal screwed up on purpose with either a bad print or terrible edge enhancement. I would group it in with stuff like The Jerk or Smokey in the Bandit that probably looks as good as they possibly can in HD, but I just personally felt the difference too small to pay the money at the time to upgrade over my DVDs.
Granted if I run across Deer Hunter at $10 or less with the HD sales I may change my mind, but for the time being I felt the Legacy version close enough not to upgrade. That is my biggest issue with some of these like Fletch. I already own it and I need a good enough reason to upgrade. If I didn't own Fletch I wouldn't have as much problem buying it in HD. I have a lot of titles to upgrade though and I simply can't buy every release that comes out, especially if the return isn't big enough.
Last edited by darkside; 03-20-08 at 08:17 PM.