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big e 04-04-08 01:57 PM

I wouldn't mind seeing Saw 1 & 2, Stir of Echoes, and Terminator 2 re-released with the extras intact. Does anyone here know if the Director's Cut of Saw 3 will be released on Blu-Ray? I've held off buying the Blu-Ray and the Director's Cut thinking it will show up on Blu-Ray sometime. But now I'm asking myself, is it worth buying? Is it any good? Are the extras worth it? I really wish the producers of the Saw films would make one version and be happy with it instead of making 2 or 3 different versions.

Also, I've got a question about Unbreakable. I was looking at the Blu-Ray and DVD yesterday and noticed that the DVD had a running time of 107 mins and the Blu-Ray's running time was 102 mins. Is this a misprint or were some edits made?

Drexl 04-04-08 02:08 PM

I wish they'd redo Lord of War, and put out some more catalog titles like Monster's Ball, Requiem for a Dream, and The Doors.

rfduncan 04-04-08 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by big e
Are the extras worth it?

One man's trash is another man's treasure. You need to see the extras on SD DVD and decide for yourself if you can live without them.


Originally Posted by big e
I really wish the producers of the Saw films would make one version and be happy with it instead of making 2 or 3 different versions.

Not certain that the producers have much say in what goes onto a disc. I'm MORE certain that the studios want you to buy a copy then double- or triple-dip for the additional SE content they'll end up adding to any catalogue title to generate quick revenue. (e.g. You know FOX is going to re-release Independence Day on Blu-ray as an SE with the unrated edition with added features ported from the SD DVD.)

Mr. Cinema 04-04-08 06:06 PM

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PopcornTreeCt 04-04-08 07:54 PM

92% vs. 8% is pretty depressing. Niche I say, niche.

Gizmo 04-04-08 08:06 PM

Looks like the $19.99 Best Buy sales helped...that says a lot.

Was T2 on sale somewhere? Seems to have a decent % for being an old catalog title with a questionable PQ.

tonymontana313 04-04-08 08:36 PM

Wasn't it 94/6 last week?

skriefal 04-04-08 08:55 PM

T2 was on sale at J&R for $7.99.

big e 04-04-08 09:31 PM


Originally Posted by tonymontana313
Wasn't it 94/6 last week?

Yea, I think it was. Blu-Ray went up 2% so that's good.

Zen Peckinpah 04-04-08 09:52 PM


Originally Posted by Drexl
I wish they'd redo Lord of War, and put out some more catalog titles like Monster's Ball, Requiem for a Dream, and The Doors.

:up: on the latter two. The Doors could have some rockin' audio, and Lionsgate is no stranger to firing on those cylinders.

Let me also add:

Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai (hi-res audio on the RZA soundtrack)

The Monster Squad (this is reportedly being discussed according to Fred Dekker at a CA screening)

Extreme Prejudice (a stretch, but the current DVD looks directly copied from a VHS; and Johnny Handsome for the same reason)

Angel Heart (Mickey Rourke banging Denise Huxtable...now in hi-def! :D)

Dead Alive (the lawnmower scene in HD...a great prospect)

I'd also be VERY pleased to see tweakings of T2, Total Recall, and Devil's Rejects...perhaps American Psycho too (though I have the Blu for it already).

kefrank 04-04-08 11:20 PM


Originally Posted by big e
Yea, I think it was. Blu-Ray went up 2% so that's good.

i was a little surprised that it moved up that much, but then i read the footnote that says it's a breakdown of the top 20 titles on each format, not the overall disc sales for each format.

Qui Gon Jim 04-05-08 06:38 AM

That third piechart is somewhat deceptive. This comparing the top ten selling titles of DVD and BD against each other, which is apples to apples, but the difference is that outside of the top ten in BD, the sales are likely in the low hundreds, or lower, while a title outside of the top ten for DVD could sell hundreds of thousands.

People will look and say "Bd has taken 8% of the market!" but it is not true. This can be an interpretable number. Measure those same ten titles on both formats next week, and the week after and see what the ratios are.

Also, I find it odd that the HD DVD/BD ratio has not shifted in months. Dies this mean that HDM sales are down? BD has been pulling 4-6:1 victories since the Warner announcement, but that since inception ratio has not moved.

rexinnih 04-05-08 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by Zen Peckinpah
:up: on the latter two. The Doors could have some rockin' audio, and Lionsgate is no stranger to firing on those cylinders.

Let me also add:

Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai (hi-res audio on the RZA soundtrack)

The Monster Squad (this is reportedly being discussed according to Fred Dekker at a CA screening)

Extreme Prejudice (a stretch, but the current DVD looks directly copied from a VHS; and Johnny Handsome for the same reason)

Angel Heart (Mickey Rourke banging Denise Huxtable...now in hi-def! :D)

Dead Alive (the lawnmower scene in HD...a great prospect)

I'd also be VERY pleased to see tweakings of T2, Total Recall, and Devil's Rejects...perhaps American Psycho too (though I have the Blu for it already).

Doors and Ghost Dog would be hi on my re-buy list. Lossless sound!

Josh Z 04-05-08 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim
Also, I find it odd that the HD DVD/BD ratio has not shifted in months. Dies this mean that HDM sales are down? BD has been pulling 4-6:1 victories since the Warner announcement, but that since inception ratio has not moved.

It's also rather depressing to see the steep drop-off from the #1 Blu-ray to the rest of the list. It seems that each week it's literally only one title that sells worth a damn, and everything else catches the dregs.

applesandrice 04-05-08 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by Josh Z
It's also rather depressing to see the steep drop-off from the #1 Blu-ray to the rest of the list. It seems that each week it's literally only one title that sells worth a damn, and everything else catches the dregs.


I think that's got a lot to do with the releases themselves. When there's only really one (or two) big new day-and-date release(s) for a given week, that's what is going to sell really well for that brief period. If there were more, there'd inevitibly be a bit more even spread over the sales. But look at the titles for any given week and you'll see that week's big release in the number one spot, and then a bunch of titles which have been around for a while.

Gizmo 04-05-08 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim
That third piechart is somewhat deceptive. This comparing the top ten selling titles of DVD and BD against each other, which is apples to apples, but the difference is that outside of the top ten in BD, the sales are likely in the low hundreds, or lower, while a title outside of the top ten for DVD could sell hundreds of thousands.

People will look and say "Bd has taken 8% of the market!" but it is not true. This can be an interpretable number. Measure those same ten titles on both formats next week, and the week after and see what the ratios are.

Also, I find it odd that the HD DVD/BD ratio has not shifted in months. Dies this mean that HDM sales are down? BD has been pulling 4-6:1 victories since the Warner announcement, but that since inception ratio has not moved.

I don't think most people understand that. They seem to think the gigantic 500 Blu-ray library is selling 8% of the somewhat huge 100,000k+ DVD library.... :lol:

I noticed that HD DVD is still holding its %...whats up with that? Either the Top 10 of Blu-ray are selling poorly (and catalog/firesale HD DVDs are close enough in Top 11-30) or the pie chart is no longer being updated.

Qui Gon Jim 04-05-08 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
I don't think most people understand that. They seem to think the gigantic 500 Blu-ray library is selling 8% of the somewhat huge 100,000k+ DVD library.... :lol:

Agreed, but I am not trying to laugh at anyone here.

This shows exactly what is wrong with playing with percentages. The "best" comparison between the two formats can be any number of things. Total titles since inception, both formats (would be very bad for BD), total titles at X months from inception (which would probably be pretty good for BD) etc. It is totally subjective, and can be easily twisted to support one's position. I would be more interested in hard numbers, and attach rate. THOSE are the numbers that can't be twisted.

I am sure that many see this number as BD sales = 8% of all media sales, and it is just not true.

When the competition was with HD DVD, it was against a product with a similar lifespan since inception. I had issues with these graphs then, but at least it was a far better apples-apples comparison. These pie graphs are meaningless when comparing BD against DVD because the data is so cherry-picked it is laughable.

jiggawhat 04-05-08 11:59 PM

What I don't get is why they are still even wasting their energy putting the graphs of HD-DVD vs Blu-ray. They should just get rid of that pie chart altogether. HD-DVD is effectively dead at this point so no sense in keeping either of those charts anymore.

Gizmo 04-06-08 12:35 AM


Originally Posted by jiggawhat
What I don't get is why they are still even wasting their energy putting the graphs of HD-DVD vs Blu-ray. They should just get rid of that pie chart altogether. HD-DVD is effectively dead at this point so no sense in keeping either of those charts anymore.

Could be to show that Blu-ray still has not moved that SI % much over the past few months maybe? It does seem pretty useless.

bunkaroo 04-06-08 12:47 AM

I agree these charts are laughable now. I'd love to see them not posted here so it's one less thing to use as fodder for, well, the usual.

The only numbers worth posting now are actual units sold. Not how many sold vs. a dead format's clearance sale numbers; not how much vs. some selective percentage of DVD sales for the week; just numbers of units sold. In absence of that, what's the point of the continuous analysis if numbers and graphs that aren't meaningful?

Gizmo 04-06-08 12:58 AM


Originally Posted by bunkaroo
I agree these charts are laughable now. I'd love to see them not posted here so it's one less thing to use as fodder for, well, the usual.

The only numbers worth posting now are actual units sold. Not how many sold vs. a dead format's clearance sale numbers; not how much vs. some selective percentage of DVD sales for the week; just numbers of units sold. In absence of that, what's the point of the continuous analysis if numbers and graphs that aren't meaningful?

We won't see numbers for a while, if ever.

100% for I Am Legend on Blu-ray looks awesome on a graph, 80k (a guess) Blu-ray copies sold vs 5+ million (a guess, just for show. Don't go nuts and get all hissy guys) DVD copies do not look that good. We will be seeing %'s for a long time.

tonymontana313 04-06-08 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
We won't see numbers for a while, if ever.

100% for I Am Legend on Blu-ray looks awesome on a graph, 80k (a guess) Blu-ray copies sold vs 5+ million (a guess, just for show. Don't go nuts and get all hissy guys) DVD copies do not look that good. We will be seeing %'s for a long time.

It's already been said at another site that I am Legend sold a 150k on BD. I'm not sure how accurate that is though.

Gizmo 04-06-08 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by tonymontana313
It's already been said at another site that I am Legend sold a 150k on BD. I'm not sure how accurate that is though.

Impressive...but if that is true, then Enchanted sold (20% out of 100% if 100% is 150k) 30k copies...more then it did on release week?

These graphs and %'s suck.

jiggawhat 04-06-08 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by bunkaroo
I agree these charts are laughable now. I'd love to see them not posted here so it's one less thing to use as fodder for, well, the usual.

The only numbers worth posting now are actual units sold. Not how many sold vs. a dead format's clearance sale numbers; not how much vs. some selective percentage of DVD sales for the week; just numbers of units sold. In absence of that, what's the point of the continuous analysis if numbers and graphs that aren't meaningful?

I like the BD vs. DVD graph because this is the closest apples to apples comparison you can get right now.

jiggawhat 04-06-08 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Could be to show that Blu-ray still has not moved that SI % much over the past few months maybe? It does seem pretty useless.

A few months of data isn't going to move those numbers even if they have been a lot higher lately.


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