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Mr. Cinema 03-25-08 01:50 PM

I went over to Best Buy on my break and got Bonnie and Clyde. They received a whopping 2 copies. The book packaging is about an inch shorter than a dvd case.

depooter 03-25-08 07:33 PM


Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
I wonder if we will get sales numbers. No Country is #1, but may have only sold 20k copies...meaning ID4 could have only sold a little more then 2k copies. Sad thing is I think we only see sales numbers if there big...like 60k big.

as usual, you are always so negative....multiple reports indicate that no country sold in the neighborhood of 60 -80k it's first week on BD....

Gizmo 03-25-08 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by depooter
as usual, you are always so negative....multiple reports indicate that no country sold in the neighborhood of 60 -80k it's first week on BD....

1. I simply chose a number to show the difference between 100% and 10%. Its not being negative at all.

2. I have not see a single article with Blu-ray figures posted. Care to share?

Ridiculous.

Gizmo 03-25-08 08:19 PM

Anyway...

Just got Unbreakable and Hidalgo...so far both look great. The $10 rebate is also included in the case as well (like The Rock and Con Air)

Bcolon 03-25-08 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
1. I simply chose a number to show the difference between 100% and 10%. Its not being negative at all.

2. I have not see a single article with Blu-ray figures posted. Care to share?

Ridiculous.

That is weird because in the Men in Black thread you posted this:

Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Wishful thinking. Sales of CET3K were not very good, he may back off from some of his bigger releases until Blu-ray player sales grow.


It seemed like you knew all about the sales figures there.

Gizmo 03-25-08 08:32 PM

Sales figures from a 6 month old title that has been posted or one released last week that has no "sold x amount x of copies" article. All we have is 100%, that does
not show how many copies were sold. Damn I was just posting how it would be neat to see sales numbers vs % and people jump on me?

namja 03-25-08 09:33 PM


Originally Posted by depooter
as usual, you are always so negative....multiple reports indicate that no country sold in the neighborhood of 60 -80k it's first week on BD....

That's not being negative. That's reality. BD sales are SO PISS POOR that they are embarassed to release the sales figures (and the same held true for HD DVD). Unless they release the actual sales figures--and every now and then we get those numbers--we can pretty much assume paltry sales. I think this is what GizmoDVD is trying to say.

Maybe we should petition to have them report actual numbers instead of the uber-lame % that they've been using. Or is there already a petition and I just missed it?

Gizmo 03-25-08 09:40 PM


Originally Posted by namja

Maybe we should petition to have them report actual numbers instead of the uber-lame % that they've been using. Or is there already a petition and I just missed it?


Thats exactly what I posted that I wanted to see. The % are stupid as we are now comparing Blu-ray to a format that will have no big exclusive releases ever. Does Nielsen do the % thing with DVDs or give actual round numbers?

Lt Ripley 03-25-08 09:52 PM


Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Thats exactly what I posted that I wanted to see. The % are stupid as we are now comparing Blu-ray to a format that will have no big exclusive releases ever. Does Nielsen do the % thing with DVDs or give actual round numbers?


Count me in as one that would rather see actual numbers.

On a similar note, anyone have sales numbers of Laser discs?

dsa_shea 03-25-08 09:53 PM

Why should we give a shit about what the actual sales numbers are as long as they continue to release Blu-Ray titles?

Lt Ripley 03-25-08 10:09 PM


Originally Posted by dsa_shea
Why should we give a shit about what the actual sales numbers are as long as they continue to release Blu-Ray titles?


I think the point is, if they are going to show numbers, quit with the worthless percentages and give us actual numbers.

bunkaroo 03-25-08 10:15 PM

While the percentages were fun to see how much one was beating the other (well mostly one-sided beatings), now is the time to see actual units sold.

Gizmo 03-25-08 10:41 PM


Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Anyway...

Just got Unbreakable and Hidalgo...so far both look great. The $10 rebate is also included in the case as well (like The Rock and Con Air)

Another quick look at the rebate, and the $10 off applies to Unbreakable, Hidalgo, Coyote Ugly, and Shall We Dance? . I didn't even know Shall we Dance was announced on Blu-ray, but it looks like a May 6th release according to Amazon.

tonymontana313 03-25-08 10:44 PM

Gizmo, how does the transfer on Unbreakable look?

dsa_shea 03-25-08 11:04 PM


Originally Posted by tonymontana313
Gizmo, how does the transfer on Unbreakable look?

I would like to know as well. Thanks!

fitprod 03-25-08 11:25 PM


Originally Posted by Lt Ripley
Count me in as one that would rather see actual numbers.

On a similar note, anyone have sales numbers of Laser discs?

The benchmark was to pass 100,000 copies sold in a lifetime of releases. (i.e. multiple incarnations of the same film)

Then ones I know that broke that mark were Star Wars, Terminator II, Abyss and Aliens. I'm sure there were more, but I can't think of them off the top of my head.

From the rumbling that I heard, the basic rule of thumb during the 90's was that you needed to sell 2 - 4 thousand disc to break even. (Given the pricing scheme of LD... Cost to press the discs were between 10 and 12 dollars, each.)

fitprod

Gizmo 03-25-08 11:57 PM


Originally Posted by tonymontana313
Gizmo, how does the transfer on Unbreakable look?

Pretty good. I have yet to watch the whole film, but I did skim through the chapters (Ive never seen the movie, didn't go too far in to ruin it). My impressions put this at the same level as Con Air as far PQ goes (3.75 out of 5 from what Ive personally seen, only a few random minutes...). Ive been very impressed with Buena Vista (Disney) films. Very sharp for a catalog title and looking forward to watching this tomorrow or Thursday. Gotta bug Super again to see if its ok to post my reviews here or not.

PopcornTreeCt 03-26-08 12:43 AM

DVDBeaver gave Unbreakable a pretty high PQ score. Very happy that my favorite Shyamalan is coming out first.

Bcolon 03-26-08 04:47 AM


Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
1. I simply chose a number to show the difference between 100% and 10%. Its not being negative at all.

2. I have not see a single article with Blu-ray figures posted. Care to share?

Ridiculous.

Here you go Gizmo:

Quote:
Blu-ray Disc sales continue to pick up steam, with total U.S. sales since inception (about a year-and-a-half-ago) hitting 9 million units through March 16, according to HMR research.

In just 11 weeks this year, BD unit sales have hit 3 million units, seemingly putting the format on pace to easily hit at least 15 million units for 2008.

After averaging weekly sales ranging from 200,000 - 300,000 the past two months or so, sales spiked up to 319,000 units, driven by Miramax's release of "No Country For Old Men."

The Oscar-winner, despite having few special features of any kind, sold a whopping 68,000 units the week ending March 16. That's double the next closest title, Fox's "Hitman: Special Edition," which was also a relatively strong seller.

Prior weekly top-sellers this year were ranging from 10,000 - 30,000 units.
Look for even stronger numbers in the coming weeks with much bigger box-office titles slated for release.

http://www.hollywoodinhidef.com/blog_detail.php?id=187

Mr. Cinema 03-26-08 06:12 AM

68,000 is higher than what I would have predicted.

Speaking of numbers, has anyone ever gone to this site?
http://www.the-numbers.com/

They track box office figures and DVD sales. I'm not sure how accurate their figures are, but they list No Country for Old Men selling 924,757 copies on DVD. I know some here are saying how pathetic BD sales are, but isn't 924K copies sold to a user base of 100 million even more pathetic?

Again, I'm wondering about the accuracy of this site. They said Bee Movie was #1 last week in DVD sales, but it only sold 1.4 million copies. That seems low for an animated movie, especially one that made over $125 million at the US box office.

Thoughts?

Dugout Doug 03-26-08 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
68,000 is higher than what I would have predicted.

Speaking of numbers, has anyone ever gone to this site?
http://www.the-numbers.com/

Thanks for the site.


Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
They track box office figures and DVD sales. I'm not sure how accurate their figures are, but they list No Country for Old Men selling 924,757 copies on DVD. I know some here are saying how pathetic BD sales are, but isn't 924K copies sold to a user base of 100 million even more pathetic?

Just to toss this out there for you, I am a member of this site, and several "deal sites" too. I am always looking to save a buck.

That being said, I don't know one other person, family member, friend, coworker, that realizes if you buy a DVD the week it comes out, you are saving a few bucks.

It could be that most normal people wait for when they want to watch the movie to purchase it.

I buy the stuff when its 14.99 at walmart the week it comes out, and wait to watch it. :)

Just a thought on the "low" dvd sale figures.

fitprod 03-26-08 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
68,000 is higher than what I would have predicted.

Speaking of numbers, has anyone ever gone to this site?
http://www.the-numbers.com/

They track box office figures and DVD sales. I'm not sure how accurate their figures are, but they list No Country for Old Men selling 924,757 copies on DVD. I know some here are saying how pathetic BD sales are, but isn't 924K copies sold to a user base of 100 million even more pathetic?

Last week was the second week of release for Bee Movie... EDIT! Never mind... Now that I don't buy DVD's I guess I've lost track of titles unless their released in HD.

fitprod

Josh Z 03-26-08 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by namja
That's not being negative. That's reality. BD sales are SO PISS POOR that they are embarassed to release the sales figures (and the same held true for HD DVD). Unless they release the actual sales figures--and every now and then we get those numbers--we can pretty much assume paltry sales.

I think it speaks volumes that there are still 2 HD DVD titles on the Top 10 list more than a month after the format officially died.

Mr. Cinema 03-26-08 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by Josh Z
I think it speaks volumes that there are still 2 HD DVD titles on the Top 10 list more than a month after the format officially died.

I'm sure having HD DVD titles on clearance at all retailers is probably a reason American Gangster and Beowulf are in the top 10. I have no doubt there are still people out there buying up cheap players and trying to quickly build a collection for low cost. People do like bargains.

It's a completely moot point anyways. There are reports many, if not all, Best Buys are sending back their stock at the end of this month. One of mine already has. Walmart won't have any by June and Target has already paired down their section.

Was your comment made to try and show 1 last tiny victory for HD DVD? You have been very vocal about how bad sales are, yet use the top 10 as some way to make a positive point that HD DVD is still hanging around?

rfduncan 03-26-08 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by Josh Z
I think it speaks volumes that there are still 2 HD DVD titles on the Top 10 list more than a month after the format officially died.

:why:
(How I feel every time I come into this thread.:()


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