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Spaceknight 02-19-08 02:05 PM

I wonder when we'll see cheap BD players with good up-conversion. From what I've seen reviewed, most BD players don't up-convert as well as the Toshiba HDs. I'm in the camp that sees little to no difference and wasn't planning to replace my SD collection in any format... but I'll take a new fancy option for new stuff if it makes my old stuff look new again.

Michael Corvin 02-19-08 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by Spaceknight
I wonder when we'll see cheap BD players with good up-conversion. From what I've seen reviewed, most BD players don't up-convert as well as the Toshiba HDs. I'm in the camp that sees little to no difference and wasn't planning to replace my SD collection in any format... but I'll take a new fancy option for new stuff if it makes my old stuff look new again.

Wait and get a Toshiba BD. :D

matome 02-19-08 02:12 PM

Crutchfield has already removed all HD-DVD players from it's site.

TheKobra 02-19-08 02:15 PM

I have both Blu-ray and HD DVD. Now you wait and see as all the blu-ray movies go back up in price and the players will be slow with the 2.0 roll out. I know two formats are bad...but it kept the price down for a while.

Philly30 02-19-08 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by TheKobra
I have both Blu-ray and HD DVD. Now you wait and see as all the blu-ray movies go back up in price and the players will be slow with the 2.0 roll out. I know two formats are bad...but it kept the price down for a while.

thats ridiculous, there is only one standard dvd format, i can get a dvd player for 30 dollars, prices will fall not go up

RockStrongo 02-19-08 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by Philly30
thats ridiculous, there is only one standard dvd format, i can get a dvd player for 30 dollars, prices will fall not go up

I think he meant shorter term.....I dont think the prices will go up, but we wont see many deals anymore and the prices will be slower to decline.

Also, remember, there may only be 1 HD format now, but really, there are 2 formats overall. DVD and Bluray. They ARE competitors and Bluray has a HUGE mountain to climb to overtake DVD.

Personally, I dont think it will ever happen.

Giles 02-19-08 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by RockStrongo
I think he meant shorter term.....I dont think the prices will go up, but we wont see many deals anymore and the prices will be slower to decline.

Also, remember, there may only be 1 HD format now, but really, there are 2 formats overall. DVD and Bluray. They ARE competitors and Bluray has a HUGE mountain to climb to overtake DVD.

Personally, I dont think it will ever happen.

and then you have Fox

that does stupid things like not porting over all the extras from standard DVD's to HiDef (or even the non-inclusion of uncut versions of 'Die Hard 4'/'Commando') - faults like these shouldn't be overlooked.

jiggawhat 02-19-08 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by Giles
and then you have Fox

that does stupid things like not porting over all the extras from standard DVD's to HiDef (or even the non-inclusion of uncut versions of 'Die Hard 4'/'Commando') - faults like these shouldn't be overlooked.

Universal didn't help their situation by learning from other studios' mistakes. They did the same with American Gangster this week. Left out the extended cut and didn't port all the extras.

bmello 02-19-08 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by matome
Crutchfield has already removed all HD-DVD players from it's site.

They'll be on overstock soon....

RockStrongo 02-19-08 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by Giles
and then you have Fox

that does stupid things like not porting over all the extras from standard DVD's to HiDef (or even the non-inclusion of uncut versions of 'Die Hard 4'/'Commando') - faults like these shouldn't be overlooked.

I really believe Fox is not as into BD as they claim. I think they know their breadwinner.

Maybe the death of HD-DVD will change their stance a bit.

whomod 02-19-08 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by Giles
and then you have Fox

that does stupid things like not porting over all the extras from standard DVD's to HiDef (or even the non-inclusion of uncut versions of 'Die Hard 4'/'Commando') - faults like these shouldn't be overlooked.

Which is why I can't find it in myself to buy the HD version of American Gangster or even Kingdom Of Heaven.

The promise of larger storage capacity IMO assumes that you'll be getting MORE out of Blu-Ray/HD not LESS than SD DVD.

Giles 02-19-08 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by jiggawhat
Universal didn't help their situation by learning from other studios' mistakes. They did the same with American Gangster this week. Left out the extended cut and didn't port all the extras.

yes there is the occasional fuck-up from other studios. I'm hoping when and if Legend get's the HiDef treatment, we get the Director's Cut/The US cut/ and Euro Cut all in Hidef

Supermallet 02-19-08 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by bmello
They'll be on overstock soon....

Prices on Overstock suck right now.

Giles 02-19-08 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by RockStrongo
I really believe Fox is not as into BD as they claim. I think they know their breadwinner.

Maybe the death of HD-DVD will change their stance a bit.

it is very apparent they favour standard DVD over Bluray. Take a look even at what's being shown on various HiDef cable stations, the HiDef output from Fox is pathetic, considering there's a whole channel for MGM's library.

Alan Smithee 02-19-08 02:50 PM

Geez, even THIS lasted longer than HD-DVD:

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Qui Gon Jim 02-19-08 03:19 PM

So tragic that that was better than any advertising that HD DVD ever did.

RockStrongo 02-19-08 03:24 PM

Yeah, I have to say, when I heard they were spending $150 million on advertising, I was confident. When they announced an HD-DVD bus tour, I lost all that confidence.

Spider/Christopher? Really?? Couldnt find anyone bigger??

applesandrice 02-19-08 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by RockStrongo
Yeah, I have to say, when I heard they were spending $150 million on advertising, I was confident. When they announced an HD-DVD bus tour, I lost all that confidence.

Spider/Christopher? Really?? Couldnt find anyone bigger??


Don't forget the free stumping that Blu-ray had from Señor Spielbergo and "Mr. Humility", Michael Bay.

Honestly: the PR for HD DVD was terrible.

RoboDad 02-19-08 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by applesandrice
Honestly: the PR for HD DVD was terrible.

I think that has always been Toshiba's problem, and not just with HD DVD.

If I had to speculate, I would say that the successful marketing of DVD happened in spite of Toshiba's involvement, rather than because of it. With DVD, the Forum had the involvement of Sony, Matsushita, and 100%, complete, unequivocal support form Warner. Those guys all know how to market.

RockStrongo 02-19-08 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by applesandrice
Don't forget the free stumping that Blu-ray had from Señor Spielbergo and "Mr. Humility", Michael Bay.

Honestly: the PR for HD DVD was terrible.

The free pub from Speilberg was definately a good thing for BD.

The blowhard Michael Bay came off looking like a whiny ass with no power over his releases in his mess.

Not that I had much before, but I lost respect for him after his outbursts and child-like tantrum.

applesandrice 02-19-08 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by RockStrongo
The free pub from Speilberg was definately a good thing for BD.

The blowhard Michael Bay came off looking like a whiny ass with no power over his releases in his mess.

Not that I had much before, but I lost respect for him after his outbursts and child-like tantrum.


Not to mention the waffling he did after his first Pro-BD rant.

RoboDad 02-19-08 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by RockStrongo
Not that I had much before, but I lost respect for him after his outbursts and child-like tantrum.

Not that I'm excusing his behavior, but I've seen film clips of other directors, on set, behaving so badly that they make Bay look like a saint by comparison.

Jericho 02-19-08 04:04 PM

Honestly, I thought marketing had little to do with this war. Some Monday Morning QBs are saying after the fact what the problem was and how it could have been fixed, but would it have mattered? So few people bought standalones on either side, that mainly it was the more technology oriented people who did anything. And those people aren't the kind to fall easily for a gimmicky market pitch.

kvrdave 02-19-08 04:12 PM

The one thing, as a guy who has both, that BD definately does better is the scratch resistant coating. I've been amazed at it.

jiggawhat 02-19-08 04:12 PM

They just lowered the price at Circuit City to $99.99 on the A3.

DVD Josh 02-19-08 04:21 PM

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.en...ts-blu-ray.jpg

nmr1723 02-19-08 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by jiggawhat
They just lowered the price at Circuit City to $99.99 on the A3.

I just saw a thread on slickdeals that Best Buy is putting them on clearance for $79.99...if this is true...not too bad.

I've got an A2 now and part of me wants a backup player...but i don't know if I want a Gen 3 unit. I've heard of some issues when compared to the sturdy A2 & A20.

I'm hoping and waiting for any big software discounts. I don't care if it's a WB title also available in BD...if it's cheap enough and I like the film...I'll buy it.

jiggawhat 02-19-08 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by nmr1723
I just saw a thread on slickdeals that Best Buy is putting them on clearance for $79.99...if this is true...not too bad.

I've got an A2 now and part of me wants a backup player...but i don't know if I want a Gen 3 unit. I've heard of some issues when compared to the sturdy A2 & A20.

I'm hoping and waiting for any big software discounts. I don't care if it's a WB title also available in BD...if it's cheap enough and I like the film...I'll buy it.

Just saw that right now and I'm heading to my CC right now. I think that's a great deal.

hulka 02-19-08 04:54 PM

Toshiba makes this announcement on the same day that Castro resigns. Coincidence? I think not.:) I guess Castro was really sad to see HD-DVD go.:) Seriously though, I feel bad for HD-DVD owners. Two of my close friends went with HD-DVD in 2006. They are currently planning on making the transition to Blu-ray over the next 6 months. Good luck to all of the HD-DVD owners.

bunkaroo 02-19-08 05:10 PM

I see OneCall.com (Huppins) has already pulled their HD DVD listings except for the Sammy and LG combos. I wonder if they are able to send them back.

PJsig08 02-19-08 05:13 PM

So for those of us who bit on the HD-DVD deal with Amazon a few months back, what do we do? I feel like I just threw $200 out the window.

Is it worth eBaying the player and some DVDs? Or at this point do I just keep the player? Ugh not a good feeling :(

Bill Geiger 02-19-08 05:23 PM

So much for his opinion.

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Bill Geiger 02-19-08 05:24 PM

:lol:

applesandrice 02-19-08 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by PJsig08
So for those of us who bit on the HD-DVD deal with Amazon a few months back, what do we do? I feel like I just threw $200 out the window.

Is it worth eBaying the player and some DVDs? Or at this point do I just keep the player? Ugh not a good feeling :(


Do what you want, of course, but why dump the player and discs now if they're still working? I'd say hang onto them and enjoy them while you can. If you want to sell them at some point down the road, you might even be able to get more money for them later (and I'm thinking like a year or so from now, when neither the players or discs are in ready supply) than you could now (when lots of people are panicking and trying to dump their collections).

PJsig08 02-19-08 05:39 PM

Well I want to sell them while they still have some value? IF I sell later how do I get any value out of them when it's a completely dead medium?

Deftones 02-19-08 05:42 PM

I still have a pretty kickass upconverting player in the HDA3. :shrug:

nmr1723 02-19-08 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by PJsig08
So for those of us who bit on the HD-DVD deal with Amazon a few months back, what do we do? I feel like I just threw $200 out the window.

Is it worth eBaying the player and some DVDs? Or at this point do I just keep the player? Ugh not a good feeling :(


I say keep it. How much do you think you'll get for it? I'm sure there will be a ton on eBay following this announcement...plus the fact that some of the big box stores are already heavily discounting the A3...it just doesn't seem like great timing.

I bought an A2 in August and I have about 15 movies and I've decided to just keep everything and enjoy it as much as I can.

Duh Vuh Duh 02-19-08 06:08 PM

Sorry if a repost, don't come in this forum much.

http://stb.msn.com/i/1A/82F7FAB641BE...708A30C057.jpg

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23204819...5829?GT1=10939


Blu-ray's day: Toshiba quits HD DVD
Decision comes after major studios, retailers defect to Blu-ray format
The Associated Press
updated 3:36 a.m. MT, Tues., Feb. 19, 2008
TOKYO - Toshiba said Tuesday it will no longer develop, make or market HD DVD players and recorders, handing a victory to rival Blu-ray disc technology in the format battle for next-generation video.

"We concluded that a swift decision would be best," Toshiba President Atsutoshi Nishida told reporters at his company's Tokyo offices.

The move would make Blu-ray — backed by Sony Corp., Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., which makes Panasonic brand products, and five major Hollywood movie studios — the winner in the battle over high-definition DVD formatting that began several years ago.

Nishida said last month's decision by Warner Bros. Entertainment to release movie discs only in the Blu-ray format made the move inevitable.

"That had tremendous impact," he said. "If we had continued, that would have created problems for consumers, and we simply had no chance to win."

Warner joined Sony Pictures, Walt Disney Co. and News Corp.'s Twentieth Century Fox in that move.

1 million own defunct players
Nishida said his company had confidence in HD DVD as a technology and tried to assure the estimated 1 million people, including some 600,000 people in North America, who already bought HD DVD machines by promising that Toshiba will continue to provide product support for the technology.

Both HD DVD and Blu-ray deliver crisp, clear high-definition pictures and sound, which are more detailed and vivid than existing video technology. They are incompatible with each other, and neither plays on older DVD players. But both formats play on high-definition TVs.

HD DVD was touted as being cheaper because it was more similar to previous video technology, while Blu-ray boasted bigger recording capacity.

Only one video format has been expected to emerge as the victor, much like VHS trumped Sony's Betamax in the video format battle of the 1980s.

Nishida said it was still uncertain what will happen with the Hollywood studios that signed to produce HD DVD movies, including Universal Studios, Paramount Pictures and DreamWorks Animation.


Shipments to end by March
Toshiba's pulling the plug on the technology is expected to reduce the number of new high-definition movies that people will be able to watch on HD DVD machines. Toshiba Corp. said shipments of HD DVD machines to retailers will be reduced and will stop by end of March.

Sales in Blu-ray gadgets are now likely to pick up as consumers had held off in investing in the latest recorders and players because they didn't know which format would emerge dominant.

Despite being a possible blow to Toshiba's pride, the exit will probably lessen the potential damage in losses in HD DVD operations. Goldman Sachs has said pulling out would improve Toshiba's profitability between $370 million-$460 million a year.

The reasons behind Blu-ray's triumph over HD DVD are complex, as marketing, management maneuvers and other factors are believed to have played into the shift to Blu-ray's favor that became more decisive during the critical holiday shopping season.


Wave of defections
Once the balance starts tilting in favor of one in a format battle, then the domination tends to grow and become final, said Kazuharu Miura, an analyst at Daiwa Institute of Research in Tokyo.

"The trend became decisive I think this year," he said. "When Warner made its decision, it was basically over."

With movie studios increasingly lining up behind Blu-ray, retailers also began to stock more Blu-ray products.

Friday's decision by Wal-Mart Stores Inc., the largest U.S. retailer, to sell only Blu-ray DVDs and hardware appeared to deal a final blow to the Toshiba format. Just five days earlier, Netflix Inc. said it will cease carrying rentals in HD DVD.

Several major American retailers had already made similar decisions, including Target Corp. and Blockbuster Inc.


Also adding to Blu-ray's momentum was the gradual increase in sales of Sony's PlayStation 3 home video-game console, which also works as a Blu-ray player. Sony has sold 10.5 million PS3 machines worldwide since the machine went on sale late 2006.

HD DVD supporters included Microsoft Corp., Intel Corp. and Japanese electronics maker NEC Corp.

(Msnbc.com is a joint-venture of Microsoft and NBC Universal.)

Microsoft's Xbox 360 game machine can play HD DVD movies, but the drive had to be bought separately, and Nishida said about 300,000 people have those.

Worldwide sales of personal computers with HD DVD drives total about 300,000 worldwide, including 140,000 in North America and 130,000 in Europe, he said.

Toshiba to concentrate on flash memory
Recently, the Blu-ray disc format has been gaining market share, especially in Japan. A study on fourth quarter sales last year by market researcher BCN Inc. found that by unit volume, Blu-ray made up 96 percent of Japanese sales.

Sony said it did not have numbers on how many Blu-ray players had been sold globally.

Toshiba's stock slipped 0.6 percent Tuesday to 824 yen after jumping 5.7 percent Monday amid reports that a decision was imminent. Sony shares climbed 2.2 percent to 5,010 yen after rising 1 percent Monday.

Also Tuesday, Toshiba said it plans to spend more than 15.7 billion for two plants in Japan to produce sophisticated chips called NAND flash memory, which are used in portable music players and cell phones. Production there will start in 2010.

Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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mhg83 02-19-08 06:09 PM

It always confused me why there even should've been a format war to begin with. Why couldnt both formats stay on the market together? For videogames we have the xbox 360, Sonys PS3 and Nintendos Wii. There has never been any talk about one video game format. If you had just one system on the market I think that would be a bad thing since theres no competition out there. What would be so wrong for two video formats to stay on the market and have a healthy competition?

Deftones 02-19-08 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by Duh Vuh Duh
Sorry if a repost, don't come in this forum much.

Obviously. If you did, you'd see an 8 page thread already discussing this information ad nauseum.


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