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whomod 01-12-08 04:50 AM

Anyone Contact Warner Bros Regarding HD-DVD?
 
For what it was worth, I e-mailed Warner Bros customer support to express my dissatisfaction with their HD-DVD decision and the specifics of why I was disappointed and why I won't be supporting Blu-ray. It probably won't make a difference but IMO, it's better to speak out than to just take it silently. Silence=consent in my book.

Anyone else do likewise? Any online petitions out there?

clappj 01-12-08 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by whomod
For what it was worth, I e-mailed Warner Bros customer support to express my dissatisfaction with their HD-DVD decision and the specifics of why I was disappointed and why I won't be supporting Blu-ray. It probably won't make a difference but IMO, it's better to speak out than to just take it silently. Silence=consent in my book.

Anyone else do likewise? Any online petitions out there?

I'm sure there are some petitions out there, but as I understand it the deal is already done.
All the petitions in the world aren't going to make WB keep producing HD-DVDs. :(
From the beginning, until the end, it's all about money.

DVD Josh 01-12-08 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by whomod
For what it was worth, I e-mailed Warner Bros customer support to express my dissatisfaction with their HD-DVD decision and the specifics of why I was disappointed and why I won't be supporting Blu-ray. It probably won't make a difference but IMO, it's better to speak out than to just take it silently. Silence=consent in my book.

Anyone else do likewise? Any online petitions out there?

I do consent to the end of the format war.

Mr. Cinema 01-12-08 08:23 AM

On June 1, 2008 Warner Brothers will be releasing on BD only. Done. The End.

whomod 01-12-08 11:34 AM

Well...

It wouldn't hurt to express dissatisfaction. At the very least, it'll make one feel better. At the most, they'll hopefully see there is deep disappointment among their buying public.

So here's a bit of contact info.

http://www2.warnerbros.com/web/main/...er_service.jsp

Send your letters to:
Warner Home Video
4000 Warner Blvd
Burbank, CA 91522

Main telephone for Warner Bros. Studios: (818) 954-6000

Edward Adler
Executive Vice President
Corporate Communications
Time Warner Inc.
One Time Warner Center
New York, NY 10019-8016

Keith Cocozza
Vice President
Corporate Communications
Time Warner Inc.
One Time Warner Center
New York, NY 10019-8016

whomod 01-12-08 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by clappj
I'm sure there are some petitions out there, but as I understand it the deal is already done.
All the petitions in the world aren't going to make WB keep producing HD-DVDs. :(
From the beginning, until the end, it's all about money.


It's certainly true that in regards to HD-DVD, it's a lot easier to resume production on them than it would be for Blu-ray.

I'm not saying that would be the case, but it's certainly not an impossibility.

applesandrice 01-12-08 11:49 AM

I sent them a couple of messages. Not really expecting it to make any difference, but I felt pretty betrayed over the whole thing, what with their supposed "commitment to releasing on both formats" and all. I carbon-copied everybody in my address book, too, so they could all see what a nut I am (as if any of them had any doubt).

RoboDad 01-12-08 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by whomod
It wouldn't hurt to express dissatisfaction. At the very least, it'll make one feel better. At the most, they'll hopefully see there is deep disappointment among their buying public.

And what if one isn't deeply dissatisfied, but actually very grateful that they had the courage (alleged incentives notwithstanding) to try to end the pointless format war, giving HDM at least a shot of gaining more acceptance with the general public?

Shouldn't those people (meaning me) be writing to Warner to express those sentiments as well?

whomod 01-12-08 11:59 AM

In my message I basically let them know that I was purple (for one short unfortunate moment) but felt completely underwhelmed by Blu-Ray that I returned my player and have no desire to ever buy Blu-ray. And also let them know that I'm completely happy with my HD-DVD and it's FULL functionality (as opposed to all the Profile nonsense on Blu-ray). Plus I also made them aware of my wariness with FOX's problems with their newer blu ray discs.

Like I said, I'm not expecting the sky to open up and Warner to reverse course just on my disappointment. I was just surprised that there was no petitions or the like considering people do petitions for the most minor things like their favorite 70's era TV show not being on DVD!

I suppose I could listen to the "get over it" crowd. But

1) It's not in my nature.
2) Something tells me most of them are biased towards Blu to begin with.

So I'll continue to contact away. And hopefully someone more articulate than I can start a petition soon.

Thanks for doing the same apples. :)

The Cow 01-12-08 12:03 PM

I contacted them and told them I support their decision.

dan30oly 01-12-08 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by The Cow
I contacted them and told them I support their decision.

And, I just did the opposite.

whomod 01-12-08 12:17 PM

If we're to be writing letters of support as well, it wouldn't hurt to write to Paramount and Dreamworks in regards to their continued support of HD-DVD.


General Phone Number: 323.956.5575

[email protected]'

PARAMOUNT STUDIOS 5555 Melrose Avenue Hollywood, CA 90038 www.paramountstudios.com

Contact:Brad Grey Chairman & CEO Paramount Studios 5555 Melrose Avenue Hollywood, California 90038 323-956-5000 323-862-1204 (fax)
[email protected] - e-mail may bounce

TGM 01-12-08 12:21 PM

I called, and they apologized. I persuaded them to continue to support HD DVD.

You're welcome.

cartman 01-12-08 12:42 PM

I did as your subject line asked. I contacted them and thanked them for essentially ending the format war.

Lets be generous and say you get 50000 people to sign some online petition for Warner Brothers expressing your dissatisfaction with their decision. All you'd need to do is get each of them to fork over $1000 to match what they were rumored to have been promised (in incentives, cash, whatever) by the BDA. Of course, that only matches their price. You'll also need to convince the corporate folks (who are already filthy rich, mind you) to announce that they reverse their corporate position made only a week ago making them look like wishy washy fools to any company they would inevitably have to jump ship to for screwing up such a monumental deal, and ruining any chance any of them would have to make any sort of "important" corporate decision again.

Yes, I think this can work. Large corporations always listen to a very small vocal comsumer base concerning recent large and lucrative corporate decsions! Viva la revolución!

Of course, if you're just doing this to make yourself feel better, knock yourself out, but I truly hope you don't think any of what you have suggested will matter at all in the end.

Mr. Cinema 01-12-08 12:47 PM

Why anyone would want the format war to continue to drag on and slow down adoption by those standing on the sidelines is beyond me.

clappj 01-12-08 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
Why anyone would want the format war to continue to drag on and slow down adoption by those standing on the sidelines is beyond me.

How about those people who've only bought into HD-DVD, and a spent good bit of their hard-earned money?
People who'd like to be able to continue to purchase HD-DVD titles from a company who has been producing them up until now.
You seriously can't understand why they'd be upset?

And around and around it goes...

Peep 01-12-08 01:14 PM

I thanked them and told that I wished that they had made their decision earlier.

PopcornTreeCt 01-12-08 01:18 PM

I would only contact them to bitch about their online store. Besides, the war didn't end. It may not be over for another 9-12 months.

Oleg 01-12-08 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
Why anyone would want the format war to continue to drag on and slow down adoption by those standing on the sidelines is beyond me.

I am sorry.

wewantflair 01-12-08 01:33 PM

If nothing else, a large volume of complaints could compel them to indulge us with some sort of exchange program.

RoboDad 01-12-08 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by clappj
How about those people who've only bought into HD-DVD, and a spent good bit of their hard-earned money?
People who'd like to be able to continue to purchase HD-DVD titles from a company who has been producing them up until now.
You seriously can't understand why they'd be upset?

That's the price one pays for being an early adopter. You take a gamble. Sometimes you win, sometimes (actually, most times) you lose. I spent a good bit of my hard-earned money on HD DVD. More, I would bet, than many of the most vocal proponents of continuing the format war. But I want it to end. Now. Warner has made that a very real possibility.

The alternative is not a very desirable one, where both formats fail to gain any real traction at all, and eventually all of the studios completely lose interest. Then what would you be able to buy for your HD DVD player? Nothing. Oh, and you wouldn't be able to make the switch to Blu-ray then either, because it would be dead too.

RoboDad 01-12-08 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
Besides, the war didn't end. It may not be over for another 9-12 months.

It may take that long for the final "letter of surrender" to be delivered, or it may happen much more quickly. Or it may not happen at all. No one expects Toshiba to go gentle into that good night. But that won't stop the night from coming.

theWitcher 01-12-08 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by whomod
I was just surprised that there was no petitions or the like considering people do petitions for the most minor things like their favorite 70's era TV show not being on DVD!

A petition was publicized several days ago, not that I encourage anyone to sign it.

It was up to 4008 names the last time I checked.

whomod 01-12-08 02:00 PM

http://www.petitiononline.com/SAVEHDD/petition.html

DVD Josh 01-12-08 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by clappj
How about those people who've only bought into HD-DVD, and a spent good bit of their hard-earned money?
People who'd like to be able to continue to purchase HD-DVD titles from a company who has been producing them up until now.
You seriously can't understand why they'd be upset?

And around and around it goes...

Actually I can't Jon (I think that's your name, sorry if it isn't). We bought into a media with two competing formats with little dual format support. It was obvious that only one would remain or neither. Frankly, there was just as much of a chance of a NEW format coming out before there was format peace as there was one winning.

Anyone who bought into this expecting the status quo remained made a bad investment choice.

whomod 01-12-08 02:10 PM

Well, I'm curious as to whether Toshiba will take any action to see what sort of secret deal Sony made with Warner. In any case, it sounds rather anti-competitive. I've a mind to contact my Representative myself as a matter of fact....

As for all this nay saying. I'd be more inclined to take it seriously if people weren't trying to counter "votes" to Warner Customer service with their own positive counters and people weren't so aggressively trying to discourage me. If I am wasting my time, then I'm (and we) are wasting time. It shouldn't warrant such strong discouragements (and an incredible amount of immature trolling from what I see all over the net including the online petition -ohbfrank- ). If anything it should just elicit a chuckle as Blu-ray supporters go about their business.

All this tells me is that people think, however unlikely, that this might actually make a dent and it's either scares them or angers them.

Mr. Cinema 01-12-08 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by clappj
How about those people who've only bought into HD-DVD, and a spent good bit of their hard-earned money?
People who'd like to be able to continue to purchase HD-DVD titles from a company who has been producing them up until now.
You seriously can't understand why they'd be upset?

And around and around it goes...

During a format war, there are risks you take when you pick a side. As much as you may dislike it, Blu-ray came out on top.

tonymontana313 01-12-08 02:35 PM

While I may be a BD supporter, if Hd-dvd came out on top, I would have no problems moving forward with Hd-dvd. I'm all for one format because IMHO having one format will expedite the catalog of titles from studios more than having two formats. Writing petitions or calling is a waste of time in my opinion since the studios don't give a shit about us.

When Paramount stopped BD support, I didn't sign a meaningless petition or contact my local congressman as some would suggest. I went out and bought a hd-dvd player to play the movies I would like to watch so I don't understand why some people are taking this really personally.

Lt Ripley 01-12-08 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by tonymontana313
When Paramount stopped BD support, I didn't sign a meaningless petition or contact my local congressman as some would suggest.

But that is rational thought. Can't have any of that!

clappj 01-12-08 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
During a format war, there are risks you take when you pick a side. As much as you may dislike it, Blu-ray came out on top.

It really doesn't matter much to me.
I was just asking if you could understand why others are upset, but I guess not.
Just like a stubborn Southerner. LOL! ;)

cardaway 01-12-08 03:18 PM

I think it would make a lot more sense to contact the stuidios that are still playing word games, and it you belive some people, not made their final decision. WB is not that studio.

dan30oly 01-12-08 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by theWitcher
A petition was publicized several days ago, not that I encourage anyone to sign it.

It was up to 4008 names the last time I checked.

4028 now.

kefrank 01-12-08 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by Lt Ripley
But that is rational thought. Can't have any of that!

ha! seriously. more things that won't be missed about the format war: delusional petitions and futile individual letters to massive corporations.

DVD Polizei 01-12-08 03:22 PM

Online petitions have as much influence as a typical voter does. Actually, less come to think about it. However, writing Warner Brothers in a calm and collected fashion lets them know they do have HD DVD consumers who are concerned, and could allow WB to at least offer some deals for HD DVD consumers. Obviously, it won't change their minds, but it COULD help with the HD DVD transition to Blu-ray.

So yes, writing WB directly and NOT via online petition, is a good idea and I support it.

tonymontana313,

Why would you have signed a petition when Blu-ray (at the time Paramount announced its decision) still had the majority of movie studios at the time? This is a different situation.

If Blu-ray had only a few studios left and went through the exact same latest events, I wouldn't be surprised if Blu-ray owners would be organizing a Million Blu-Man March on Washington with a PS3 under one arm and a pack of tissue under the other.

Let's not fool ourselves into thinking Blu-ray owners are of some amazing caliber of behavioral quality which have demonstrated their maturity time after time.

Lt Ripley 01-12-08 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
Online petitions have as much influence as a typical voter does. Actually, less come to think about it. However, writing Warner Brothers in a calm and collected fashion lets them know they do have HD DVD consumers who are concerned, and could allow WB to at least offer some deals for HD DVD consumers. Obviously, it won't change their minds, but it COULD help with the HD DVD transition to Blu-ray.

So yes, writing WB directly and NOT via online petition, is a good idea and I support it.

tonymontana313,

Why would you have signed a petition when Blu-ray (at the time Paramount announced its decision) still had the majority of movie studios at the time? This is a different situation.

If Blu-ray had only a few studios left and went through the exact same latest events, I wouldn't be surprised if Blu-ray owners would be organizing a Million Blu-Man March on Washington with a PS3 under one arm and a pack of tissue under the other.

Let's not fool ourselves into thinking Blu-ray owners are of some amazing caliber of behavioral quality which have demonstrated their maturity time after time.

I don't think that was his point. The Paramount move could have been seen as just delaying the inevitable to some. I am just sayin'.

I won't be whining or petitioning either way it goes. I completely understood the situation going in, and chose not to put all of my eggs in one basket. Many did.

The only statements that I find completely ridiculous are the statements "I will NEVER buy Blu-Ray." I mean, just ridiculous. For those that say that, hypothetical here...IF, say in 5 years, Blu has won and has a significant market share compared to DVD, all machines are up to spec, have all the kinks ironed out (THE SAME PROBLEMS THAT DVD HAD IN THE BEGINNING!), the prices have come down (like they will), are you saying that you will continue to whine and hold a grudge because your beloved side didn't win?


There is absolutely no way that I will buy the DVD version of a film anymore as long as a high def version of it is available. No way in hell I would do that after seeing the difference.

Hammer99 01-12-08 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by tonymontana313
While I may be a BD supporter, if Hd-dvd came out on top, I would have no problems moving forward with Hd-dvd. I'm all for one format because IMHO having one format will expedite the catalog of titles from studios more than having two formats. Writing petitions or calling is a waste of time in my opinion since the studios don't give a shit about us.

When Paramount stopped BD support, I didn't sign a meaningless petition or contact my local congressman as some would suggest. I went out and bought a hd-dvd player to play the movies I would like to watch so I don't understand why some people are taking this really personally.

After Paramount flips back, I will gladly sign a petition to have my Blades of Glory HD DVD replaced with the BD that I had pre-ordered & cancelled! :p

tonymontana313 01-12-08 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
If Blu-ray had only a few studios left and went through the exact same latest events, I wouldn't be surprised if Blu-ray owners would be organizing a Million Blu-Man March on Washington with a PS3 under one arm and a pack of tissue under the other.

But that visual would be pure comedy gold dammit! :lol:

DVD Polizei 01-12-08 04:08 PM

htrtuyeryrey

:D

mzupeman2 01-12-08 04:12 PM

A lot of people might sign that petition because a lot of people purchased HD-DVD and don't want to see their studios disappear. It's not difficult to figure that out.

But at the same time, Warner Brothers may have seen the support Blu-Ray had... such as Fox, Disney, Sony (of course), MGM, Lionsgate... and there wasn't really too much going on one way or the other between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. Nothing solidified until Warner made their decision. They thought 'where's the better sales market going to be five years from now'. Although Universal and Paramount are also ace, a lot of the hot titles are going to the blu-ray camp. Warner made their decision and that's that. They're not going to listen to emails, petitions, whatever. Over time now that the format war is all but officially over (and I'm an HD-DVD supporter mind you), Warner will see their move as nothing but the 'smart choice'. Wouldn't it be more cost efficient to develop for one company instead of two?

I'm just happy that one format has been able to silent claim victory.

Gizmo 01-12-08 04:14 PM

Victory? When HDM has 5% of what DVD is then maybe you can call it some sort of victory. Right now we'll be lucky to claim 3% of DVD sales this year.


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