Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim

. . . The twisting of fact to suit a preference and presenting of opinion of fact has got to stop.

Originally Posted by cardaway

Interesting that everybody telling others their logic is "flawed" is sneaking in disclaimers that they agree since the conclusion IS there for everybody to see. Nobody willing step up and say that an other conclusion will happen. Just a bunch of wordplay and hot air.

It's now obvious, that what I guess is two sides here, will never agree. I'll end my posts on this subject with this;

I'm glad that the people writing these acrticles, and the people posting them here, are not afraid of the backlash from people who want join the studios in their word games.

I would rather see these articles give the facts as we know them now rather than wait for what some people seem to want to see happen. Wait until the final anouncement, after tey ahve purchased countless more of HD-DVDs. Then they can whine even more than the studios did them wrong. They can claim that Universal didn't tell them that they were switching till (enter date months from now), and it's Universal's fault that they bought (inset movie here) on HD-DVD when they could have waited to get it on Blu-Ray later in the year. Unbelievable, but maybe that's just me.

Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim

Exactly. There are four options, three of which many people are completely discounting. The first is that they renew their contract with HD DVD (unlikely IMO) , the second is that they go with BD (possible), the third is that they back both (most likely IMO and the fourth is that they step away from HDM all together.
The problem with a lot of these opinions dressed as stories is that there are nuggets of news in them. If Obama drops out tomorrow does that mean Hillary wins? Maybe, but someone else could come along and win too. So the story would be "Obama drops out," not "Hillary wins." The twisting of fact to suit a preference and presenting of opinion as fact has got to stop.

Originally Posted by applesandrice

With regard to the "slowing sales of DVD", isn't it interesting how it never seems to be a matter of "the movies suck and fewer people want to buy them"? Is that ever really a consideration when studios make these broad, sweeping decisions about what consumers do and don't want?

Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema

Yeah, I am 100% completely discounting the bolded option. Universal, just like every other studio, is hoping HD will help pick up the slack on the slowing sales of dvd. I'm quite confident they will see if the market matures before they would make such a decision. I have never, ever read anyone else even bring up the thought that Universal would drop HD altogether as opposed to releasing on BD. So that really isn't an option as you're the only one floating that possibility.

Originally Posted by cardaway

If that was really a big factor I don't think we would see half the catalog releases that we do now. Titles like Hudson Hawk SE would never exist.

Originally Posted by cardaway

Interesting that everybody telling others their logic is "flawed" is sneaking in disclaimers that they agree since the conclusion IS there for everybody to see. Nobody willing step up and say that an other conclusion will happen. Just a bunch of wordplay and hot air.

Originally Posted by namja

There is no conclusion, hence this is a speculation thread.

Originally Posted by namja

Hindsight is 20/20. I'm sure you've heard that before.

Originally Posted by sracer

Probably... and it will be equally misplaced as claims of betrayal are now. It has become pretty obvious (to me anyways) that most of those who are in this format war didn't really expect there to be a loser (in the disappearing sense)... but that both formats would continue to co-exist. That belief is completely unreasonable.

Originally Posted by Tracer Bullet

If Universal wants to pick up their sales, they should get going on releasing those Hitchcock HD masters that we know exist from their broadcast on HDNet Movies.

Originally Posted by applesandrice

That'd be nice, but catalogue title releases probably won't help their sales all that much.

Originally Posted by GreenMonkey

I just hope that too many of the HD-DVD folks don't get disgruntled and just stick with SD.

Originally Posted by cardaway

I'll admit I was wrong if it turns out differently. I'm not one of the people telling others their logic is "flawed" followed by a list of disclaimers. Also very flawed, and also pretty damn gutless.

Originally Posted by kefrank

i dropped this discussion and you should too.

Originally Posted by cardaway

When an actual mod (rather than the many mod wannabees here) calls me out... I respond.

Originally Posted by GreenMonkey

I expected this to shake out just like the DVD +/- R war. With players/burners/etc that do both, and no one really cares what the difference is. I think if the war had gone on another year, that's what we would have seen. IMO that would have been a win/win for most folks. Studios could pick whichever format they preferred and the consumer would have a deck that does both.

Originally Posted by GreenMonkey

That's clearly not the case now, though, after the Warner defection. I just hope that too many of the HD-DVD folks don't get disgruntled and just stick with SD.

Originally Posted by sracer

If there ARE any HD-DVD folks who are so disgruntled that they will stick with SD rather than slide over to Blu-ray, then I say that they deserve to be "stuck" with SD... especially after all the praise they heaped on the benefits of HiDef. If they became emotionally invested in the format, well, that is their deal and it is best for everyone if they stick with SD.

Originally Posted by cardaway

Now that's something I can completely agree with.