Well, I have to disagree, because if WB looked at the figures, HD DVD had a large consumer base as well, and they would have been advised by their own people, that HD DVD consumers are not going to automatically convert to Blu-ray, and their consumer base is going to actually decline over a year or so. Which is why I am most certain Sony is subsidizing their manufacturing and Blu-ray costs for a year or two, until WB can get back on their feet.

This was never about what the consumer wanted. If it was, they would have gone neutral for another year at the least.

You're right. HD DVD is the true successor as what was voted on and approved. Sony had to be the rebel once again and try things there own way. Looking at there track record we know how poor they have been with other formats.

Now now Gizmo, no need to be so bitter. ;)

And it is equally funny that your "camp" is making this like they toppled the industry leader. Can we PLEASE stop trying to do the "us" and "you" thing? That requires EVERYONE, including the "nyah nyahs" to stop it too. FFS.

I don't think HD media is going to follow anything close to the original DVD format. DVD player prices were pushed dramatically down by the licensing of the technology to cheap Chinese players.

Furthermore, the home video market was changing, the studios wanted to kill (or severely curtail) Blockbuster's power by changing video pricing from "rent through" to "sale through"

So I'm not sure if Blu Ray follows the DVD model at all.

If they would have stayed neutral it would only have draged on and on.....
They needed to make a choice and the choose blu-ray something that our HD-DVD friends should live with.

Prolonging a format war would only have been bad for both camps as HD-DVD and Blu-Ray would have died a slow death.
Now it is only a matter of time before Blu-Ray can win this war and take it to the masses with a complete product by Summer 2008 (profile 2.0 is mandatory by Summer 2008).

Paramount is stuck with a contract they know is going to be bad for them and will have to wait untill the 18 months are over.
Universal will surtainly become at least neutral and release Blu-Ray discs because it's good buniness to do so and they have their share-holders to answer too.

Those numbers that Toshiba showed at CES today realy was a laugh, 50-50 share for both camps ??!!
Maybe for hardware but not for software as The Bourne Ultimatum, Transformers and Shrek 3 did not do much good against the massive release slate in quarter 4 of 2007 from Blu-Ray.

HD-DVD had a good run while it lasted and should now take a leason out of this and retreat the product gracefully.

Can he put himself on ignore? :hscratch:

I find it amazing how some here were backing HDM but now are convinced it's worth so little of a premium over SDVD. Hopefully the bitterness will die down eventually.

Man on Fire is less then $10 on SD with tons of extras. The Blu-ray Version with nothing extra is $35.

$25 is little premium?

Here here. This thread has turned from a civil discussion to a cesspool where BD thunkheads from all over the web have come to shit on discussion. Pity.

I don't see how that can be argued. The Nielsens actually mattered, 52-0 Blu-ray. Sure Warner could have gone the other way, but I don't get how entirely discounted some make the advantages Blu-ray had in several areas.

My God. The "Blu-ray ONLY 4-EVA" camp is just so bloody obnoxious, and they will just never, ever ever get it.

Hey, how about stopping the spin on EVERYTHING. I was referrring to the posts here in this thread like "I will NEVER pay $20 for an HD title again ", not that EVERY BD release sells for a "small premium" over SDVD. Stop distorting what others say. One example doesn't make an argument. We're talking about future BD pricing now, not early adoption prices.

Nielsens mattered only to Blu-ray fanboys. The numbers were so close some weeks a few thousand extra discs is what caused a 20-25% difference. The only reason Blu-ray won several weeks is because of BOGOs.

Next time quote that then. It seems like you were adding your two cents and not making a response. My opinion still stands. Blu-ray BOGOs spoiled everyone. No need to buy a catalog at $20-$25 as it will be BOGO with-in days or weeks. This better continue.

So they mattered nothing. So I'm to believe if HD DVD had gone 52-0, Warner would have made the same decision? I've never said Neilsens were the deciding factor, just that they mattered and ignoring them altogether is silly.

Call me crazy, but I think it has some extra lines of resolution and extra audio resolution.

Not to mention, the 2-disc Man On Fire with all the extras is still listing for $27, with most places selling it for around $20.

The single-disc version doesn't have too many extras.

I get your point, but there is not a $25 difference between the version with "tons of extras" and the BD. At best there is currently a $13 difference in list price.

With or without BOGOs, catalog titles aren't worth $20. I'm glad studios/retailers recognized that already, otherwise HDM will never have a chance to gain much share against SDVD.

and like the hd dvd camp is any better

in the end both camps are the same
if hddvd won blu ray side would just talk about the negatives just like what hddvd is doing right now

Yes. Fox pulled out so Warner left. Regardless of what you want to think, it would have been a very different thread if Fox had some balls.

no. No I don't think so. Why? because HD DVD supporters didn't have to shell out $400-500 bucks just for the hardware. It's easier to shrug it off when you don't have that much invested. That's why I feel like the Blu-ray only side is full of such fanboys... they had more money invested in the machine, so its human nature to defend it more.

Not to mention the fact that a good chunk of Blu-ray support comes from teenaged PS3 gamers who can't express themselves in any other way without saying things like "HDDVDis so pwned, it sux0rz the big n00b ballz!"

Some of you hd-dvd only guys are really bitter and it shows in some of your posts. Anybody that doesn't think that hi-def is going to fail because your favored format lost, is "shitting" on discussion?

if u put it like that

the 360 has hddvd add ons are they teenage fanboys too


like i said before hddvd and blu ray camps is no different attitude wise

Yep... It was approved after the voting rules of the DVD Forum were changed, since they had so many abstaning votes.

Originally the approval process required a straight majority, but abstaning votes did not count, so they never could get a 51% majority vote to approve of HD DVD. About the beginning of '05, the rules were changes so that abstaning votes became "Yes" votes, which lead to HD DVD's approval.

Besides, if HD DVD is the true successor to DVD, why did every CE DVD Forum join the BDA?

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I see where this thread is heading...

maybe someone should install one of these and use it:

http://carpefactum.typepad.com/photo...s_dtl98642.jpg

:lol: to the same topics being repeated over and over in this thread by the same members over and over. My lord, was it this bad over the months in here.

One format needed to lose so all the enthusiasts on the fence will now start to think about when they will buy a player. Both formats could have co-existed for a long time while generating some nice deals along the way but at some point it has to end since your average person doesn't want to buy multiple players or pay an astronomical price for a possible combo player just to watch their favorite movies/TV shows in HD.