Reuters/USA Today: Warner Bros. will back only Blu-ray
#926
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Originally Posted by dsa_shea
Sometimes you just have to forget about who makes the product and just enjoy the product itself.
#928
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Ahh, I remember. Ive been here since the start of HDM with the A1...I remember some of the people. I do, however, miss that crazy guy from NYC. Maybe he can get pardoned?
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Originally Posted by moviebuff47
I am surely glad that I have not invested in neither HD formats up until now. Well, you know what they say: Patience is a virtue. Finally, I can go out and purchase a Blu-ray Player comfortably without any regrets.
#930
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Originally Posted by Willh51
The more I think about it, the more it makes me angry that WB waited until RIGHT after the holidays, when people were spending like crazy on both formats, standard dvd, and everything else, to announce this. I release the Toshiba price cuts are a separate deal, but I think WB knew this was coming and was pretty greedy in waiting until now as opposed to Dec. 1. Now I know it makes good business sense to bleed the pockets dry over the holidays, but WB really makes me mad on principle. (Yes, I'm sore about it) That and their nonexistant quality control... Almost makes me want to un-see I Am Legend.
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Originally Posted by Gerry P.
First of all, WB were reasonably upfront about their plans before the holiday season even started. It was pretty obvious they were going to choose one side or the other and the war would be all but over in early 2008. Second, the Christmas shopping season was Toshiba's last big chance to get its act together and start winning the war. It didn't happen, but at least WB let things play out. Third, they could have waited another month and really screwed the consumer by making it impossible to return the soon to be obsolete hardware and software to retailers. And last, we all bought into this war aware of the risks involved. Buying into hd-dvd, you were really trying to defy the odds, considering the format was outsold each and every week of 2007.
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
WB was upfront to people like us who knew about it. The average person would have no idea WB was considering dropping either format especially 2 weeks after Christmas.
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FYI, you can't return opened HD DVDs.
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Originally Posted by Gerry P.
I was responding to a "Senior Member" at DVDTalk upset at WB, not to the public at large.
On another note, New Line has an absolutely pathetic HD title (not Blu Ray) lineup. Is Pan's Labyrinth like their only title? That's pretty hilarious, what a collector's item...
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
WB was upfront to people like us who knew about it. The average person would have no idea WB was considering dropping either format especially 2 weeks after Christmas.
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It is crazy still to see WB go Bluray. I always thought they would go HD-DVD and from the news it seems like they were ready to go HD-DVD. It seemed like they always favored HD-DVD too. Plus lately it seems like HD-DVD has been making a comeback. Sales been getting better. standalone player has been selling very well. Huge wallmart sale. Paramount/Dreamworks going HD-DVD.
I still think people are jumping ship way to early. I am still pulling for HD-DVD But this WB thing is bad timing, I just Bought my Brother a HD-DVD player and 2 movies. I would hate to give him a dead format.
I still think people are jumping ship way to early. I am still pulling for HD-DVD But this WB thing is bad timing, I just Bought my Brother a HD-DVD player and 2 movies. I would hate to give him a dead format.
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Originally Posted by maingon
It is crazy still to see WB go Bluray. I always thought they would go HD-DVD and from the news it seems like they were ready to go HD-DVD. It seemed like they always favored HD-DVD too. Plus lately it seems like HD-DVD has been making a comeback. Sales been getting better. standalone player has been selling very well. Huge wallmart sale. Paramount/Dreamworks going HD-DVD.
I still think people are jumping ship way to early. I am still pulling for HD-DVD But this WB thing is bad timing, I just Bought my Brother a HD-DVD player and 2 movies. I would hate to give him a dead format.
I still think people are jumping ship way to early. I am still pulling for HD-DVD But this WB thing is bad timing, I just Bought my Brother a HD-DVD player and 2 movies. I would hate to give him a dead format.
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Just read the WSJ, and it in they talked about an expiration to the exclusivity. Although no date was given, they did say it is set to expire sometime in the future but will unlikely switch back. So unless something of astronomical proportions happen, Blu-ray is the only format likely to succeed.
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Wall Street Journal Article.
In a move that could tip the balance of power in the format war over the next generation of DVDs, Time Warner Inc.'s Warner Bros. Entertainment said it plans to release high-definition movies exclusively in the Blu-ray format, dealing a major blow to rival HD DVD.
The arrangement means the HD DVD format, which is backed by Toshiba Corp., will be left with support from just two major studios: General Electric Co.'s Universal Pictures and Viacom Inc.'s Paramount Pictures. Besides Warner Bros., the other major studios -- Sony Corp., Walt Disney Co. and News Corp.'s Twentieth Century Fox -- are committed to Blu-ray exclusively. The two formats are incompatible, meaning that buyers of HD DVD players cannot play movies issued in Blu-ray, and vice versa.
• Taking Sides: Warner Bros. plans to release high-definition movies only in Blu-ray format, a blow to the HD DVD format.
• Feared Obsolescence: The competing Blu-ray and HD DVD formats have made consumers wary about committing to equipment.
• A Pivotal Studio: Warner Bros. controls one of the largest film libraries in Hollywood.
Hollywood is eager to conclude the years-long battle over a format for high-definition DVDs, and Warner's decision will prompt many in Hollywood to conclude that the format war is nearly over, with Blu-ray the winner. The boom in regular DVDs, which lifted the financial performance of the movie studios in the early 2000s, has stalled, leaving the industry hungry for a new format that can entice consumers to replace their current DVD libraries with high-definition copies.
Warner Bros. executives said slowing overall DVD sales last year, and particularly last quarter, weighed heavily in their decision. Last year, DVD sales dropped 5% from 2006, according to Adams Media Research, contributing to fears among studio executives that consumers were holding off on buying DVDs of any kind until the format war was resolved.
Indeed, uncertainty over whether to bet on Blu-ray or HD DVD has been a big factor in preventing most consumers from making any decision, resulting in a stalemate. Consumers have been moving slowly, with just about one million players of either format sold. Last year, high-definition disc sales represented less than 1% of the entire DVD market, said Tom Adams of Adams Media.
Overseas, the lead in software is even more significant, with 75% of next-generation DVD sales going to Blu-ray in the United Kingdom and more than 90% in Japan, according to Kevin Tsujihara, president of Warner Bros. Home Entertainment Group.
Warner Bros. is a particularly important catch for Blu-ray, because it controls one of the largest film libraries in Hollywood. The studio's exclusive deal with Blu-ray will kick in later this year. To date, it has been issuing titles in both formats.
HD DVD has been the perpetual underdog in attempts to get consumers to upgrade their DVD players to new, high-definition players. In recent months, the battle between HD DVD and Blu-ray has seemed as muddy as ever. In August, Paramount and DreamWorks Animation surprised Hollywood by saying they would ditch Blu-ray in favor of HD DVD. The studios were enticed by millions of dollars in financial incentives -- in the form of cash and marketing support -- in exchange for exclusivity.
The competition was amped even further over the holiday season, when some big retailers offered HD DVD players for $99 that were snapped up during brief promotions.
People familiar with the situation said Warner Bros. won marketing support from Sony as part of the agreement. Toshiba also offered marketing support. However, Warner Bros. Chairman and Chief Executive Barry Meyer said the studio's decision was based on strategy foremost. "This wasn't a bidding contest," he said.
In the U.S., consumers so far have purchased more HD DVD players than Blu-ray players, but Blu-ray holds a substantial lead in sales of software. That is partly because the Blu-ray player is built into Sony's Playstation 3 game device.
The deal between Warner and the Blu-ray camp expires at a date in the future that Warner executives declined to identify. Even after it expires, "it's highly unlikely we'll switch back," says Mr. Tsujihara.
Now, the focus will turn to the remaining studios in the HD DVD camp. Provisions in the HD DVD's arrangement with Paramount could allow the studio to go back to releasing movies on Blu-ray as early as the end of the year, people familiar with the matter say. And Warner's move could put pressure on Universal Pictures to start releasing DVDs in Blu-ray in addition to, or instead of, HD DVD.
Home entertainment executives at Paramount and Universal didn't immediately return calls for comment. A Toshiba spokeswoman didn't immediately respond to an email.
"We expect HD DVD to 'die' a quick death," wrote Rich Greenfield at Pali Research in a note to clients. "While we still expect overall consumer spending on DVDs to decline at least 3% in 2008, the risk of an even worse 2008 DVD environment has most likely been avoided by Warner's early-2008 decision."
Other analysts thought HD DVD could survive Warner's decision, as long as the group could hold on to support from Universal and Paramount.
Both Blu-ray and HD DVD were scheduled to announce new titles for 2008 and give presentations at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas this coming week. But late Friday night, HD DVD cancelled its Sunday evening press conference, although it will still exhibit at the show. Blu-ray's press conference is scheduled for Monday morning.
The arrangement means the HD DVD format, which is backed by Toshiba Corp., will be left with support from just two major studios: General Electric Co.'s Universal Pictures and Viacom Inc.'s Paramount Pictures. Besides Warner Bros., the other major studios -- Sony Corp., Walt Disney Co. and News Corp.'s Twentieth Century Fox -- are committed to Blu-ray exclusively. The two formats are incompatible, meaning that buyers of HD DVD players cannot play movies issued in Blu-ray, and vice versa.
• Taking Sides: Warner Bros. plans to release high-definition movies only in Blu-ray format, a blow to the HD DVD format.
• Feared Obsolescence: The competing Blu-ray and HD DVD formats have made consumers wary about committing to equipment.
• A Pivotal Studio: Warner Bros. controls one of the largest film libraries in Hollywood.
Hollywood is eager to conclude the years-long battle over a format for high-definition DVDs, and Warner's decision will prompt many in Hollywood to conclude that the format war is nearly over, with Blu-ray the winner. The boom in regular DVDs, which lifted the financial performance of the movie studios in the early 2000s, has stalled, leaving the industry hungry for a new format that can entice consumers to replace their current DVD libraries with high-definition copies.
Warner Bros. executives said slowing overall DVD sales last year, and particularly last quarter, weighed heavily in their decision. Last year, DVD sales dropped 5% from 2006, according to Adams Media Research, contributing to fears among studio executives that consumers were holding off on buying DVDs of any kind until the format war was resolved.
Indeed, uncertainty over whether to bet on Blu-ray or HD DVD has been a big factor in preventing most consumers from making any decision, resulting in a stalemate. Consumers have been moving slowly, with just about one million players of either format sold. Last year, high-definition disc sales represented less than 1% of the entire DVD market, said Tom Adams of Adams Media.
Overseas, the lead in software is even more significant, with 75% of next-generation DVD sales going to Blu-ray in the United Kingdom and more than 90% in Japan, according to Kevin Tsujihara, president of Warner Bros. Home Entertainment Group.
Warner Bros. is a particularly important catch for Blu-ray, because it controls one of the largest film libraries in Hollywood. The studio's exclusive deal with Blu-ray will kick in later this year. To date, it has been issuing titles in both formats.
HD DVD has been the perpetual underdog in attempts to get consumers to upgrade their DVD players to new, high-definition players. In recent months, the battle between HD DVD and Blu-ray has seemed as muddy as ever. In August, Paramount and DreamWorks Animation surprised Hollywood by saying they would ditch Blu-ray in favor of HD DVD. The studios were enticed by millions of dollars in financial incentives -- in the form of cash and marketing support -- in exchange for exclusivity.
The competition was amped even further over the holiday season, when some big retailers offered HD DVD players for $99 that were snapped up during brief promotions.
People familiar with the situation said Warner Bros. won marketing support from Sony as part of the agreement. Toshiba also offered marketing support. However, Warner Bros. Chairman and Chief Executive Barry Meyer said the studio's decision was based on strategy foremost. "This wasn't a bidding contest," he said.
In the U.S., consumers so far have purchased more HD DVD players than Blu-ray players, but Blu-ray holds a substantial lead in sales of software. That is partly because the Blu-ray player is built into Sony's Playstation 3 game device.
The deal between Warner and the Blu-ray camp expires at a date in the future that Warner executives declined to identify. Even after it expires, "it's highly unlikely we'll switch back," says Mr. Tsujihara.
Now, the focus will turn to the remaining studios in the HD DVD camp. Provisions in the HD DVD's arrangement with Paramount could allow the studio to go back to releasing movies on Blu-ray as early as the end of the year, people familiar with the matter say. And Warner's move could put pressure on Universal Pictures to start releasing DVDs in Blu-ray in addition to, or instead of, HD DVD.
Home entertainment executives at Paramount and Universal didn't immediately return calls for comment. A Toshiba spokeswoman didn't immediately respond to an email.
"We expect HD DVD to 'die' a quick death," wrote Rich Greenfield at Pali Research in a note to clients. "While we still expect overall consumer spending on DVDs to decline at least 3% in 2008, the risk of an even worse 2008 DVD environment has most likely been avoided by Warner's early-2008 decision."
Other analysts thought HD DVD could survive Warner's decision, as long as the group could hold on to support from Universal and Paramount.
Both Blu-ray and HD DVD were scheduled to announce new titles for 2008 and give presentations at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas this coming week. But late Friday night, HD DVD cancelled its Sunday evening press conference, although it will still exhibit at the show. Blu-ray's press conference is scheduled for Monday morning.
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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
FYI, you can't return opened HD DVDs.
There are probably 20 examples in this thread of people planning to return their unopened Christmas purchased. I'll try to spell it out for you better next time.
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Still not going to play any Universal or Paramount movies though.
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Originally Posted by Willh51
I just don't agree fully with the idea that WB was open, I think internet rumors and theories that happened to be true just don't cut it.
I mean, I fully understand that it was a chance to take and I only have a few HD dvds that I will still continue to enjoy.
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Originally Posted by Willh51
On another note, New Line has an absolutely pathetic HD title (not Blu Ray) lineup. Is Pan's Labyrinth like their only title? That's pretty hilarious, what a collector's item...
I would take Pan's Labyrinth over 30 other Hollywood releases bundled together. There is nothing pathetic about it, whatsoever, it was one of the best movies of the year when it was released.
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I posted this at another site in regards to the suggestions that a) hi-def DVD won't catch on as a format and b) that digital downloads are in the immediate future. I just thought I would repost it.
You say that laserdisc didn't catch on, well, not only was technology, that exponential mover and shaker, exponentially more expensive back in the mid-'90s, but as we invent more gadgets and doo-dads your average Joe ends up with more technology in his house (computer, HDTV, DVR, DVD player, surround sound, iPod, digital camera, game system, projection screen, hi-def DVD, Sirius/XM/satellite, On Demand, whatever) than he did 15 years ago. Not to mention the fact that a laserdisc was the size of a vinyl -- time has shown that people like their technology conveniently sized.
With the digital signal change in February 2008 I think people are just looking to upgrade. Neighbor Bob goes over to Neighbor Dan's house and sees his brand new 50" crystal-clear LCD or plasma screen hooked up to DTS 6.1 and he runs out and gets one. Plus, both Joe and Bob's 20-something kids are twice as techno-savvy and they don't even need to see their neighbor's display to know they want an HDTV. Even if you don't have waves of people snapping these up yet, people know what they are, and if a TV breaks these days, why go for the diminishing selection of $200 25" tube TVs when you could drop $200 more and get something much nicer?
And if HDTV is the way of the future, then Blu-Ray is the next step. People buy an HDTV and they grab the TiVo and start watching the HD channels and then, lucky them, it turns out the game system the kids want is also an hi-def DVD player, and that's all it takes.
Now, sure, I don't see Blu-Ray stomping or even thumping on the SD-DVD behemoth. But to think that this format couldn't easily be ten times as big as it is now by the end of 2009, much less 2015, is ridiculous.
The thing about downloading is that the majority of the people who currently download movies just watch them once and delete them, not to mention the fact that they're probably pirates and want stuff for free. Sure, digital downloads could easily erase, say, the video-rental market in the forseeable future, but try to imagine a world where the Best Buys and Circuit Citys of the world don't carry physical media -- it just doesn't seem possible, and until we're in flying cars I don't think it's a real risk. If Blu-Ray, an easy-to-understand next-gen format that's basically like what we have and love but better, is not going to top SD-DVD, then how can we possibly suggest that digital downloading, a somewhat foreign non-format that easily alienates or disinterests potential users will somehow dwarf both SD-DVD and Blu-Ray, not to mention material media in general?
You say that laserdisc didn't catch on, well, not only was technology, that exponential mover and shaker, exponentially more expensive back in the mid-'90s, but as we invent more gadgets and doo-dads your average Joe ends up with more technology in his house (computer, HDTV, DVR, DVD player, surround sound, iPod, digital camera, game system, projection screen, hi-def DVD, Sirius/XM/satellite, On Demand, whatever) than he did 15 years ago. Not to mention the fact that a laserdisc was the size of a vinyl -- time has shown that people like their technology conveniently sized.
With the digital signal change in February 2008 I think people are just looking to upgrade. Neighbor Bob goes over to Neighbor Dan's house and sees his brand new 50" crystal-clear LCD or plasma screen hooked up to DTS 6.1 and he runs out and gets one. Plus, both Joe and Bob's 20-something kids are twice as techno-savvy and they don't even need to see their neighbor's display to know they want an HDTV. Even if you don't have waves of people snapping these up yet, people know what they are, and if a TV breaks these days, why go for the diminishing selection of $200 25" tube TVs when you could drop $200 more and get something much nicer?
And if HDTV is the way of the future, then Blu-Ray is the next step. People buy an HDTV and they grab the TiVo and start watching the HD channels and then, lucky them, it turns out the game system the kids want is also an hi-def DVD player, and that's all it takes.
Now, sure, I don't see Blu-Ray stomping or even thumping on the SD-DVD behemoth. But to think that this format couldn't easily be ten times as big as it is now by the end of 2009, much less 2015, is ridiculous.
The thing about downloading is that the majority of the people who currently download movies just watch them once and delete them, not to mention the fact that they're probably pirates and want stuff for free. Sure, digital downloads could easily erase, say, the video-rental market in the forseeable future, but try to imagine a world where the Best Buys and Circuit Citys of the world don't carry physical media -- it just doesn't seem possible, and until we're in flying cars I don't think it's a real risk. If Blu-Ray, an easy-to-understand next-gen format that's basically like what we have and love but better, is not going to top SD-DVD, then how can we possibly suggest that digital downloading, a somewhat foreign non-format that easily alienates or disinterests potential users will somehow dwarf both SD-DVD and Blu-Ray, not to mention material media in general?
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Wal-Mart launched digital downloads in late November 2006. Just a few weeks ago, HP, the sponsor of the service, pulled their support because Wal-Mart wasn't making enough to justify it. While Wally may not be the perfect test for digital downloads, I still think it's not going to work in general. Of course if it doesn't work at Wal-Mart, then this being a widely-accepted way of use, is probably a good indication it won't.
20th Century Fox and Apple have a deal on video downloads, but who knows how long it will last. People who want to view movies once, generally don't want to pay for the service. They'll get it some other way. I put pay video downloads into the category of pay music downloads. Some might buy it, but that don't mean it's a profitable business nor will it last.
20th Century Fox and Apple have a deal on video downloads, but who knows how long it will last. People who want to view movies once, generally don't want to pay for the service. They'll get it some other way. I put pay video downloads into the category of pay music downloads. Some might buy it, but that don't mean it's a profitable business nor will it last.
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Ahh, I remember. Ive been here since the start of HDM with the A1...I remember some of the people. I do, however, miss that crazy guy from NYC. Maybe he can get pardoned?
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Something that just occurred to me:
If Universal and Paramount do go BD exclusive at some point, will they shut down the web-based stuff for HD DVD?
I would think any eventual BD releases of those web-enabled titles could use the same online resources, but in case they can't for some technical reason, I wonder if these studios would indefinitely maintain these resources.
If Universal and Paramount do go BD exclusive at some point, will they shut down the web-based stuff for HD DVD?
I would think any eventual BD releases of those web-enabled titles could use the same online resources, but in case they can't for some technical reason, I wonder if these studios would indefinitely maintain these resources.