Studio list Blu-HD?
10-28-07 | 02:53 PM
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Blu-Ray:
Sony
20 Century Fox
MGM
LionsGate
Anchor Bay/Starz Pictures
Warner Brothers
Disney/Miramax
Tartan
HDDVD
Universal
Paramount
Warner Brothers
Weinstein
If a full list of non-US studios and smaller distribs is needed I could provide one later when I come back.
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Sony
20 Century Fox
MGM
LionsGate
Anchor Bay/Starz Pictures
Warner Brothers
Disney/Miramax
Tartan
HDDVD
Universal
Paramount
Warner Brothers
Weinstein
If a full list of non-US studios and smaller distribs is needed I could provide one later when I come back.
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10-28-07 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
Blu-Ray:
Sony
20 Century Fox
MGM
LionsGate
Anchor Bay/Starz Pictures
Warner Brothers
Disney/Miramax
Tartan
HDDVD
Universal
Paramount
Warner Brothers
Weinstein
If a full list of non-US studios and smaller distribs is needed I could provide one later when I come back.
Pro-B
Sony
20 Century Fox
MGM
LionsGate
Anchor Bay/Starz Pictures
Warner Brothers
Disney/Miramax
Tartan
HDDVD
Universal
Paramount
Warner Brothers
Weinstein
If a full list of non-US studios and smaller distribs is needed I could provide one later when I come back.
Pro-B
10-28-07 | 03:05 PM
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Thanks Pro-B, I assume you own a Bluray?Do you know where I can find more info on profiles? And can I ask what you have?Ive recently won a PS3 and am wondering if I should keep it as strickly a Bluray dvd player or sell for a standalone(Bluray or Hddvd), there is so much information out there its a little overwelling.
10-28-07 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by mike01
Thanks Pro-B, I assume you own a Bluray?Do you know where I can find more info on profiles? And can I ask what you have?Ive recently won a PS3 and am wondering if I should keep it as strickly a Bluray dvd player or sell for a standalone(Bluray or Hddvd), there is so much information out there its a little overwelling.
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10-28-07 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by kefrank
tartan and starz are smaller distribs. i think he just wanted exclusive studios, so warner brothers shouldn't be on either list. additionally, HD DVD has Dreamworks.
Blu-ray:
Sony
20 Century Fox
MGM
LionsGate
Disney/Miramax
HD-DVD
Universal
Paramount
Dreamworks
Weinstein
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10-28-07 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by mike01
Thanks Pro-B, I assume you own a Bluray?Do you know where I can find more info on profiles? And can I ask what you have?Ive recently won a PS3 and am wondering if I should keep it as strickly a Bluray dvd player or sell for a standalone(Bluray or Hddvd), there is so much information out there its a little overwelling.
A big upside to the PS3 is faster loading and operation. Plus, I believe you won't have to worry about it not being compliant with the new profiles. It's just too important to the BD movement for them to abandon support and let it not do things other players can do. It should get firmware updates for the next 4-5 years, which I doubt will be the case with other players.
Even if you think you won't be playing games on it, you at least would have the option to do so if you change your mind. Also, you can download free HD movie trailers from the PSN, and you can store media on the hard drive. It also plays SACDs.
10-28-07 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Drexl
Honestly I would just keep the PS3 and use it as a Blu-ray Disc player. There are really only two drawbacks: the lack of multichannel analog audio outputs (which doesn't affect you if you have an HDMI receiver capable of processing lossless audio), and the need to use the special Bluetooth remote which is sold separately. Understandably, some people who paid $100 or more for a universal IR remote are irritated that it won't work with the PS3.
A big upside to the PS3 is faster loading and operation. Plus, I believe you won't have to worry about it not being compliant with the new profiles. It's just too important to the BD movement for them to abandon support and let it not do things other players can do. It should get firmware updates for the next 4-5 years, which I doubt will be the case with other players.
Even if you think you won't be playing games on it, you at least would have the option to do so if you change your mind. Also, you can download free HD movie trailers from the PSN, and you can store media on the hard drive. It also plays SACDs.
A big upside to the PS3 is faster loading and operation. Plus, I believe you won't have to worry about it not being compliant with the new profiles. It's just too important to the BD movement for them to abandon support and let it not do things other players can do. It should get firmware updates for the next 4-5 years, which I doubt will be the case with other players.
Even if you think you won't be playing games on it, you at least would have the option to do so if you change your mind. Also, you can download free HD movie trailers from the PSN, and you can store media on the hard drive. It also plays SACDs.
My only other concern is I dont at the moment have an HDMI compatible reciever, the best I have is component or optical in.?
10-28-07 | 06:11 PM
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My only other concern is I dont at the moment have an HDMI compatible reciever, the best I have is component or optical in.?
I use my PS3 for Blu-ray (and an HD-A1 for HD DVD) and it really works pretty well. The PS3 can be a bit louder (fan noise) than stand-alones, and I personally don't like the slot-loading drive, but otherwise it has worked great.
The PS3 is not BD Profile 1.1 at the moment, but it certainly *seems* like it could be upgraded via firmware due to it's versatility / computer nature.
I would recommend going dual-format though and picking up an HD DVD player as well (down to
10-28-07 | 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by mike01
Thanks Pro-B, I assume you own a Bluray?Do you know where I can find more info on profiles? And can I ask what you have?Ive recently won a PS3 and am wondering if I should keep it as strickly a Bluray dvd player or sell for a standalone(Bluray or Hddvd), there is so much information out there its a little overwelling.
I own the Sony S300, which is profile 1.0 and will not be upgradeable and a PS3-60G which will be upgradeable to 1.1. This being said currently I prefer to watch my discs on the S300 despite the faster loading times on the PS3, I also really like the S300 remote. I have everything hooked to a 52 Bravia XBR3 in addition to a few extra whistles and bells in the audio department.
This being said I am not a gamer, I don't own a single PS3 game, never have, the age I believe is a factor with me
. The only reason I have one is because it was given as a gift to me and from my experience it is indeed a fantastic piece of hardware well worth your money.I also prefer standalone players. In fact, I am an enormous Panasonic (and Phillips) fan and will be keeping a close eye on the upcoming Panasonic 1.1 player which should street this December. I believe we will have the official specs/announcement in a couple of days. From what I have seen and read so far it looks to be a gorgeous machine with an unusual but very classy design (slim board). The rumored price is 499$ and if this is indeed the case I will be picking one up for sure. Elsewhere there was leaked info from the Panasonic camp that the official announcement will be around October 30th. I strongly recommend that you seek and read it when it comes up.
To answer your last question, if you have even a tiny bit of interest in gaming, I don't, I most certainly recommend that you invest in the PS3. Hands down there isn't another player that comes even close to it and I have tested them all (if you live in a large metro area and have an ABT store nearby I recommend that you visit them. Not only do they allow you to play with every single machine they have in stock but they will also let you choose a TV of your preference to experiment with them).
Last but not least I do not support "neutrality" and believe that you should pick one of the two formats, whichever best reflects your viewing preference, and invest in it.
And a last note to the studio list, I do consider Tartan to be a substantially stronger company than Weinstein. If for nothing else at least for the fact that in the UK, where they launched their business, they own Bergman's entire library.
Here's a summation on the existing/upcoming profiles by Blu-Ray forum member Richard Paul which I believe is an accurate description of what each profiles requires:
Over the last year I have read much on the issue of Blu-ray player profiles from various insiders and based on what I have heard have made this thread about them. There is one Blu-ray spec and in it there are four profiles including an audio only profile that does not require BD-J or video playback since it was made only for audio playback. Leaving out the audio only profile from this thread there are three player profiles made for video playback. After October 31st of 2007 all new Blu-ray players must meet the requirements for at least BD-Video 1.1 though older Blu-ray players can continue to be sold. Here are the requirements for the three Blu-ray player profiles:
BD-Video 1.0:
64 KB of built in persistent memory required
no additional persistent memory capability required
no outlining support for text based subtitles required
no SD PiP decoding required
no secondary audio decoding required
no internet capability required
BD-Video 1.1:
64 KB of built in persistent memory required
256 MB of persistent memory capability required
outlining support for text based subtitles required
SD PiP decoding required
secondary audio decoding required
no internet capability required
BD-Live:
64 KB of built in persistent memory required
1 GB of persistent memory capability required
outlining support for text based subtitles required
SD PiP decoding required
secondary audio decoding required
internet capability required
Frequently Asked Questions (last updated October 24, 2007)
1. Why are there three Blu-ray player profiles?
All three player profiles for Blu-ray were originally made back at the time the Blu-ray specs were originally made. At that time it was known that to cost effectively implement certain features such as SD PiP decoding would require the development of new decoding chips that could handle dual stream video decoding. The plan was to eventually replace the BD-Video 1.0 specs with the BD-Video 1.1 specs by requiring all new players released after a certain date to meet the requirements for it. The BD-Live specs were to be optional for those who wanted to connect their Blu-ray player to the internet.
2. Is BD-J a requirement for all Blu-ray players?
Yes, all three Blu-ray player profiles require BD-J support and will be capable of normal BD-J interactivity for menus and games. Note though that certain extras might require features that are unique to BD-Video 1.1 or BD-Live.
3. Should I wait for BD-Video 1.1 or BD-Live players?
That depends. Though stand alone BD-Video 1.0 players will always be capable of playing Blu-ray movies and normal BD-J interactivity most of them will not be capable of certain extras such as PiP decoding. If you are interested in those extras than it would be best to wait for stand alone Blu-ray players to be released that are known to support them.
4. Could a BD-Video 1.0 player be updated to BD-Video 1.1 or BD-Live?
That is possible if it had the necessary hardware but most likely none of the stand alone Blu-ray players released before October of 2007 do. The PS3 might be updated to BD-Video 1.1 or BD-Live but nothing official has been said about that.
5. Does BD-Video 1.1 require HD PiP decoding?
No, it only requires SD PiP decoding. Blu-ray and HD DVD have optional specs for HD PiP decoding but neither of them require it.
6. What is secondary audio decoding?
This allows for the mixing of two different audio tracks. For instance this would allow for the audio stream included with a PiP video stream to be mixed into the primary audio stream.
7. What is persistent memory?
Persistent memory allows for the long term storage of data on the player and depending on the capabilities of the specific player can be done using built in flash memory, a hard drive, network storage, and external flash memory. All Blu-ray players are required to have at least 64 KB of built in persistent memory. The BD-Video 1.1 profile requires the player to be capable of supporting at least 256 MB of persistent memory. The BD-Live profile requires the player to be capable of supporting at least 1 GB of persistent memory. For both BD-Video 1.1 and BD-Live this can be done with either built in memory or with user provided memory such as a memory card or a USB flash drive.
8. What is outlining support for text based subtitles?
In addition to graphic based subtitles Blu-ray also allows for the use of text based subtitles allowing for easier control of where they are placed on the screen. This can benefit 2.35 aspect ratio display setups. Text based subtitles though when directly displayed can be hard to read so outlining support, changing their color/shading based on the background, is usually done to make it easier to read them.
9. What decoding chips are known to be capable of decoding PiP?
The Sigma Designs SMP8634 Rev. C and the Broadcom BCM7440 are two decoding chips that are known to be capable of decoding SD PiP. The Horizon Hz7220 decoding chip is known to be capable of decoding SD/HD PiP.
10. Have any BD-Video 1.1 players been officially announced yet?
Yes, the following is a list of officially announced BD-Video 1.1 players:
Denon DVD-3800BDCI
Denon DVD-2500BTC
Marantz BD8002
Samsung BD-UP5000
11. Have any BD-Live players been officially announced yet?
Yes, the following is a list of officially announced BD-Live players:
Daewoo DBP-1000
LG BH200
Hope this helps,
Pro-B
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