I know what you mean. We're running her concert for a week in 3D at my theater, and I expect it to be a madhouse.

why would you think that? many people who buy players do not feel to need to replace the catalog titles they already own on DVD, especially at first. i don't know the hard numbers, but i would guess that the volume of HD DVD purchasing has increased since those player sales. likewise, the volume of BD sales has increased with BOGOs and the 40GB PS3 (some fraction of which are certainly being used for BD playback). with the volume increasing for both, the sales ratio has remained about the same. i'd wager to say that if it weren't for the "Open Season" numbers, this week would have been just slightly higher than it has been (in the 67:33 range) on the strength of the legitimate "Die Hard" sales.

I can't see HSM2 pushing people over the edge to buy a $400 PS2 or $500 stand alone player. Then again, I have a feeling I might be eating my words in a few weeks :lol:

Or maybe he's just a Lindsey Lohan supporter. -wink-

I paid $30 for it. What does that make me?

Don't answer that...:)

What movie are you guys talking about? I Know Who Killed Me?

Yes.

So 9 people now own this movie, so what?!?! Its a GREAT movie!!

As long as you don't have a copy of Delta Farce to go along with it, you're good. -wink-

Peter Bracke at HDD brutally crucified this movie. His review for this movie is absolutely hilarious.

I thought Adam's was pretty hilarious, myself.

What do you guys know about quality movies :rolleyes: :lol:

Disney is committed like no other studio on either side. I'm sure you'll see it at some point.

I don't see how they are that committed since its been over a year since the format launched and we don't have a single 'classic' Disney movie. They do, however, have the best track record on the Blu side for releasing titles with most/all of the SD extras and great transfers.

Because when you buy something new like this you buy something to play
on it that shows it off. I'd have thought that was obvious. Even if it's only
1 title. No one needs to replace titles as there are a decent amount of new
releases, and even without that, since the player is new to them so is
every title released thus far they don't already own on SD.

But if a ton of HD players were sold recently, it should have catapulted the HD
software numbers (my original point). That it didn't is not a good sign.

There could have been 50k HD DVD players sold with 1 free movie, but if its a movie that can choose, out of 350 titles, you probably wouldn't see it in the Top 10. You were forced to get Open Season on Blu-ray per the PS3 Black Friday deal at Best Buy, hence why it is in the Top 10. There are a ton of catalog sales we simply don't see since they are not in the Top 10. There could have been 20 other titles in the #11 slot 10-100 sales from being in the Top 10.

All Toshiba has to do is say "Buy an A3 and get Rumor Has It on HD DVD for free" and you would probably see it in the #9-#5 spot next week.

What I really want to know is sales figures for "Close Encounters" since it was touted as a huge release since it had Spielberg involvement and it is his 'chosen' format. To bad we didn't get numbers from the week before.

My comments have not been based on any top ten charts, just the overall
sales chart shown in post 780. Are catalog titles not represented in those
graphs?

I understand why Open Season is on the top ten list, but my comments are
attempting to point out that all the HD players sales in the past 3 weeks
or so should have negated (and then some) Open Season being given away
for free. In the same timeframe we had Heroes: Season 1 plus 2 and 3
free HD discs of your choice being given away with the purchase of the
player (including the HD add-on for the 360). Wouldn't these have some pull
in the graphs as well? If they're accurate I just don't see how a) it's anything
but a bad sign, and b) how Open Season being disallowed makes everything
equal (or at least not as bad).

What deal was this? You mean the one from two months ago with Heroes at Best Buy only that did make the Top 10 that week with 15k sold? That means between Heroes and the two other "free" movies it would mean a difference of 45k movies that week, from 2 months ago. We now know Open Season "sold" 23-25k last week.

You're comments started in reference to this post:

Which was last weeks numbers, which is what we are talking about. Not sure why you are bringing up 2 month old HD DVD player sales. You failed to mention last week Samsung and Sony both had some pretty decent stand alone player sales as well, many stores gave away 3-5 titles for free. If you want to talk about numbers from a post (780), quote that one and noe kefranks where he is clearly talking about last weeks numbers.

i think perhaps you underestimate the sales of the PS3. it sells far more units than any Blu-ray or HD DVD player and it undoubtedly sold even better than usual during the post-thanksgiving shopping weekend when it came with "Open Season."

If Microsoft decided to give away "The Breakup" HD DVD with every Xbox 360 system purchase it would be #1 as well. Hmm...thats a good idea Microsoft.

As it stands, the PS3 is really whats keeping Blu-ray around. I imagine stand alone sales would be higher however if the PS3 did not exist, but as is, its still, 1 year later, the cheapest Blu-ray player around, along with Sharp and the now reduced Samsung 1400 and Sony BDP-300. I imagine Sony will be keeping the PS3 at this $400 spot for a while, so I can't imagine the stand alone sales will improve or drop any further then this. One CE just needs to release a $299 Profile 1.1/2.0 player (with Ethernet connection) and they would see a gigantic increase in SA sales. I'd buy one and sell my PS3 in a heartbeat. If the numbers below are correct, some of these CEs must have only sold 10-30k SA players in a year. Why would a company like Sharp even consider making and selling a player with now very little room for profit or sales?

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/12012.cfm

Those numbers are represented in one of the graphs in post 780 (far left I
believe), and kefranks made mention of why the numbers may have been the
way they were so the quote was relevant. I brought up the Heroes deal to
show that both camps are offering free discs, both of our choosing and
dictated, yet the numbers are nowhere close to equal. As for failing to
mention Sony/Samsung player deals, I was not aware of them.

Both formats are giving away 5 free by mail (not counted), and retailers are sometimes giving away additional discs as well (counted). Blu-ray, however, is the only one who week after week continues with BOGOs or just half price movies. We were, however, talking about Open Seasons numbers and why that movie is #2, which is because of Best Buy giving it away (along with a PS3 game) for free on Black Friday week.

Oh I'm sure it sold a lot, and I certainly wouldn't underestimate it (check my
post history, I'm on record way back as saying how could it not help the sales
of blu-ray).

The basic giveaway of HD-dvd players over the last few weeks should have sparked an increase in sales of hd-dvd software as Toshiba had hoped. Unfortunately for Toshiba it hasn't really spiked the sales in the way that they would have liked. Now more people have the ability to play hd-dvds but it seems like the majority of them are content with just renting the titles they want to watch. Maybe we will see some spike in purchases for rental purposes but the hope of drawing even with Blu-Ray at this point doesn't seem like it will come to fruition.

I must have missed the giveaways. I had to pay for my recent HD DVD player purchase.

Do we have any disc sales data for November to see if the sales were helped? A see a percentage pie chart, but with PS3 sales also up maybe both formats saw increased sales. Also, a spike in HD DVD rentals is not bad for the format. People spending money on HD DVD software in any way benefits the format.

Finally, why are we talking about HD DVD in a Blu-ray thread?