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Old 10-22-07, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
Aside from the rumor you posted what other insiders have confirmed that TL works on ALL machines?

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Correct. I was responding to Burnts comments, not yours. Region coding was never a promised aspect of HD DVD. Its there, but it was never announced by the HD DVD group as a promised aspect. TL51 will not come to light if its not compatible with all players, at least thats what everyone has heard. I'm sorry, we shouldn't even be discussing this in a Blu-ray thread, but when someone who has no real knowledge of a format (or even owns it) posts FUD, someone should respond.
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Correct. I was responding to Burnts comments, not yours. Region coding was never a promised aspect of HD DVD. Its there, but it was never announced by the HD DVD group as a promised aspect. TL51 will not come to light if its not compatible with all players, at least thats what everyone has heard. I'm sorry, we shouldn't even be discussing this in a Blu-ray thread, but when someone who has no real knowledge of a format (or even owns it) posts FUD, someone should respond.
Until someone like Amir can confirm it, I refuse to believe any info that rdjam has to offer. Amir has been very careful with his wording when it comes to the TL51 which leads me to believe that there are issues and it won't see the light of day.
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Correct. I was responding to Burnts comments, not yours
It does not matter whether or not you were responding to my comment.This is a public forum and everyone has the right to read/question what is posted.

What does matter is that once again you stated several insiders. To me several implies at least three sources. I would like to know who these people are and read their confirmation(s).

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Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
It does not matter whether or not you were responding to my comment.This is a public forum and everyone has the right to read/question what is posted.

What does matter is that once again you stated several insiders. To me several implies at least three sources. I would like to know who these people are and read their confirmation(s).

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Why should he be subjected to any greater scrutiny that you are? I've never seen you back up any of your stuff with anything like this. Does that make you less reliable?
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Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
It does not matter whether or not you were responding to my comment.This is a public forum and everyone has the right to read/question what is posted.

What does matter is that once again you stated several insiders. To me several implies at least three sources. I would like to know who these people are and read their confirmation(s).

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Again, I urge you or anyone to take a trip to AVS and read some threads. I, unlike some people, don't bookmark several pages a day so I can weeks later retort them quote for quote back. I read, and then post later and link to the most recent poster talking about it. As I posted before, its amazing how some people here can post "news" on apparent "insiders" as fact. You don't ever seem to back up you're facts unless they are from "insiders" who most of the time just review discs.

As I stated before, this thread is for Blu-ray, I'd hate to turn this into a HD vs. BR thread. I would urge some of the Pro-Blu guys to worry about their own format with 1.1 looming over their heads making all the current stand alones obsolete rather then some HD DVDTL51 disc that may or may not ever come out even though Disney, a Blu-ray only studio, voted for it. Backup plan?
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Why should he be subjected to any greater scrutiny that you are? I've never seen you back up any of your stuff with anything like this. Does that make you less reliable?
Feel free to provide the statement where I have noted an insider's contribution. I will promptly provide you with the needed confirmation.

And to address your question directly: no one is to be subjected to a greater degree of scrutiny!

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Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
Feel free to provide the statement where I have noted an insider's contribution. I will promptly provide you with the needed confirmation.

And to address your question directly: no one is to be subjected to a greater degree of scrutiny!

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I'm still waiting for that promised firmware update disc that allows all stand alones to be updated to Profile 1.1 from that paidgeek post a few months ago
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Again, I urge you or anyone to take a trip to AVS and read some threads.
Not good enough. You should be able to back up your facts with a source. In this specific case I would like to know the origin of your claim since you present it as a fact.

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I, unlike some people, don't bookmark several pages a day so I can weeks later retort them quote for quote back. I read, and then post later and link to the most recent poster talking about it.
Then you should reconsider your posting habits. I don't believe it is degrading or insulting to request a source of reference when crucial information is revealed. Once again, I ask that you provide relevant sources linking to the statements of the insiders you speak of.


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As I posted before, its amazing how some people here can post "news" on apparent "insiders" as fact. You don't ever seem to back up you're facts unless they are from "insiders" who most of the time just review discs.
I am not some people. Feel free to question some people and argue about whatever you believe is a misleading information. The second fragment of your post is easily addressable!

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As I stated before, this thread is for Blu-ray, I'd hate to turn this into a HD vs. BR thread.
You found TL worthy of recognition while addressing BR. I understand, and ask that you now follow up on your point(s).

Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
I would urge some of the Pro-Blu guys to worry about their own format with 1.1 looming over their heads making all the current stand alones obsolete rather then some HD DVDTL51 disc that may or may not ever come out even though Disney, a Blu-ray only studio, voted for it. Backup plan?
You claim "neutrality" correct? Then you partially belong to the group you address above. Why do you distance yourself? There is information you have provided that now you must address with a proper statement. Please provide the links to the insiders' statements you announced earlier.

Thanks,
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Well thats a nice confirmation! Can't refute a blank post
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Pro-B: You start with a QUOTE and end with a /QUOTE (preceded by a slash). If you don't close your QUOTEs, you're going to get a blank post.
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I'm shocked this has not been posted yet (maybe it is somewhere?)
Ok here is the deal, this will be for the upcoming $399 PS3 (hitting shelves 11/02/07), and the deal only applies if you buy at the Sony Style Stores or Sony Style Website. The new $399 PS3 will come with the Free Spiderman3 BD movie, in addition to the 5 Free by mail BD movies, plus you can rack up enough Sony Style Card points to get another BD movie or two.

To take advantage of this offer, you will need to apply for the Sony Style store card which will qualify you for the $100 instant Discount and 12 months No Interest on all purchases $299 and up.

Direct Promo Link:
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For $300 and no interest for 12 months it makes it a no brainer for the best Blu-ray player on the market. I'll be grabbing one of these when they come out at my local Sony Style store.
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Same shit different day in this thread. this really is the "Format War disguised as a BD discussion" thread, or the "this side of the line HD bashing thread." There is rarely any real "news" here, just a bunch of (mostly) speculative tidbits posted in a way to irk others. Want real news about BD hardware and releases etc? Look in the seperate threads. This thread is nothing but a pimping vehicle for those that just have this "need" to convert everyone.

The HD DVD version is not much better.

Personally, I think this thread should be locked.
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Until someone like Amir can confirm it, I refuse to believe any info that rdjam has to offer. Amir has been very careful with his wording when it comes to the TL51 which leads me to believe that there are issues and it won't see the light of day.
Amir has transitioned to another business area within Microsoft, FYI.
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I'm shocked this has not been posted yet (maybe it is somewhere?)
Yeah it was posted.
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Why should he be subjected to any greater scrutiny that you are? I've never seen you back up any of your stuff with anything like this. Does that make you less reliable?
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Has anyone seen the 60GB PS3 for less than $500?

I have a lot of PS2 games and a 5 year old PS2 deck. Sure I could buy the 40GB and spend an extra $130 if my PS2 ever dies, but I'd love to have all my PS2 and PS3 stuff play through one input on my display.

I'd almost certainly pull the trigger on a $399 60GB for the BC.
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Has anyone seen the 60GB PS3 for less than $500?

I have a lot of PS2 games and a 5 year old PS2 deck. Sure I could buy the 40GB and spend an extra $130 if my PS2 ever dies, but I'd love to have all my PS2 and PS3 stuff play through one input on my display.

I'd almost certainly pull the trigger on a $399 60GB for the BC.
Nope, $499 is the MSRP and it seems with the recent 80GB price drop, that the 60GB will stay $499 until it sells out. Sony is no longer making them and what you see on the shelves is whats left. I think that 'Sony Style' deal works on the 60GB one (if they still stock them) and thats going to be you're best shot. If not, GameStop is selling the 20GB PS3 (100% BC) for $380 brand new. No WiFi...but it will play PS2 games without issues.
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$299 PS3 w/ 7 Free BD Movies

Ok here is the deal, this will be for the upcoming $399 PS3 (hitting shelves 11/02/07), and the deal only applies if you buy at the Sony Style Stores or Sony Style Website. The new $399 PS3 will come with the Free Spiderman3 BD movie, in addition to the 5 Free by mail BD movies, plus you can rack up enough Sony Style Card points to get another BD movie or two.
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This is indeed the path I am taking to get a PS3, but it is a bit misleading. 2000 Sony Style points will not get you any free Blu-Rays, since they start at 2900 points +
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Originally Posted by bunkaroo
Has anyone seen the 60GB PS3 for less than $500?

I have a lot of PS2 games and a 5 year old PS2 deck. Sure I could buy the 40GB and spend an extra $130 if my PS2 ever dies, but I'd love to have all my PS2 and PS3 stuff play through one input on my display.

I'd almost certainly pull the trigger on a $399 60GB for the BC.
This may or may not sweeten the deal for you, but Best Buy is offering a free Game (Lair or Heavenly Sword) or extra Controller with the 60 GB PS3. That's a $60 Bonus...

UPDATE: Walmart is offering a choice of 8 different games for the free game PLUS a free Blue-Ray remote with the 60 GB

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This is indeed the path I am taking to get a PS3, but it is a bit misleading. 2000 Sony Style points will not get you any free Blu-Rays, since they start at 2900 points +
Where can you see a list of where you use your 'points'?
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Nope, $499 is the MSRP and it seems with the recent 80GB price drop, that the 60GB will stay $499 until it sells out. Sony is no longer making them and what you see on the shelves is whats left. I think that 'Sony Style' deal works on the 60GB one (if they still stock them) and thats going to be you're best shot. If not, GameStop is selling the 20GB PS3 (100% BC) for $380 brand new. No WiFi...but it will play PS2 games without issues.
Thanks - that's what I thought.

I need the WiFi since my HT is in the basement and my router is on the 2nd floor. And let me say that makes updating my HD-A20 over the wire REALLY interesting. I had to buy a 100' cable LOL. At least now the ISO's are available right away.

I don't even see the 60GB listed at SonyStyle.com. Not sure if I have any local stores near me.
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Has anyone that has watched Meet the Robinsons comment on it? I've heard the PQ on it is quite excellent and am leaning towards buying it but just wanted to get some thoughts first.
I would rent it first if you haven't seen the movie. PQ may be great but I buy movies based on how much I like them, not how great they look or sound.

I took my 3 year old to see this movie in the theater and even he was bored (which is saying something for him). As an adult, it was truly awful. Bad story and just plain out dull. Yeah, it looks great but if you want to twiddle your thumbs and think about all the other great movies you could be watching while looking at a great picture, be my guest.

Rent it.
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Where can you see a list of where you use your 'points'?
http://www.sonyrewards.com/en/redeem/index/4/
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Again, I urge you or anyone to take a trip to AVS and read some threads. I, unlike some people, don't bookmark several pages a day so I can weeks later retort them quote for quote back. I read, and then post later and link to the most recent poster talking about it. As I posted before, its amazing how some people here can post "news" on apparent "insiders" as fact. You don't ever seem to back up you're facts unless they are from "insiders" who most of the time just review discs.

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So you wanna give us the names or keep ignoring the question? Oh and nice change of subject with the sonystyle re-post.
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So you wanna give us the names or keep ignoring the question? Oh and nice change of subject with the sonystyle re-post.
Again, just like I stated above, feel free to wander over to AVS and research for yourself. If others don't have to back up their wild statements, I won't either.

Not sure why you even care, you don't own an HD DVD player (or at least your posts don't reflect any interest in one).

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