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Old 10-05-07 | 02:37 PM
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It is funny that you opted to drop the first portion of the paragraph
I believe I quoted the relevant portion of the article and am interpreting it fairly and correctly. Feel free to disagree.
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Old 10-05-07 | 02:52 PM
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I stand by what I said. This will never be used for movie discs.
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Old 10-05-07 | 03:06 PM
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Even if they did use these for movies, Fox films would still be barebones.
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Old 10-05-07 | 03:07 PM
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I believe I quoted the relevant portion of the article and am interpreting it fairly and correctly. Feel free to disagree.
And so did I. Unfortunately my interpretation differs from your read on it.

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I stand by what I said. This will never be used for movie discs.
I can respect your opinion. We shall see what the future holds.

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Old 10-05-07 | 03:25 PM
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I can see there being a use for it for items like TV series, documentaries or films of excessive running time that also have loads of extras. Whether they are used depends on reliability and cost at replication (I'm assuming mastering costs would not be noticeably more than master 2 BD50s). Of course, the marketing people (and therefore consumers) love their 2 disc sets due to the perceived value - then again you could easily come with some fancy name for it like "super fat boy blu-ray disc - this disc is just bursting with over a tonne of extra features waiting to be consumed".
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Old 10-05-07 | 03:28 PM
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We shall see what the future holds.
I think this is the best stance to take with both formats. With all these proof of concept announcements floating around from both camps, who knows when or if we'll actually see a commercially available product come out of them.
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Old 10-05-07 | 03:54 PM
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Here's a better article on HITACHI and their new 100GB disc:

http://www.dailytech.com/Hitachi+Dev...rticle9173.htm

100GB on a single Blu-ray Disc that will work with today's machines, promises Hitachi

Throughout the life of the format, DVD has been primarily limited to at most two layers, keeping the format at a maximum storage space of under 9GB. The new high-definition formats, however, appear to have taken a page from hard disk drives when it comes at adding additional storage.

Just as how adding additional platters inside a hard disk drive provides more storage, optical media makers are finding ways to stack layers of readable surface inside a polymer disc to increase capacity. Hitachi revealed this week at CEATEC JAPAN 2007 that it has successfully developed a quad-layer Blu-ray Disc that is capable of storing 100GB of data.

The concept multi-layer discs is practiced by many other media labs, but Hitachi claims that its quad-layer technology would be compatible with existing Blu-ray Disc drives after a firmware update. Prior developments of greater than dual layer discs have required special hardware to read the new media.

Hitachi is now working on improving the signal quality of its quad-layer technology so that it will be ready for market. The company also said that it is working on an eight-layer variant of the technology, which would yield a Blu-ray Disc capable of holding 200GB.

Although no new hardware may be required to read the additional layers of Hitachi’s Blu-ray Disc, it is still unclear what costs, if any, would be added onto the manufacturing side of the equation. Should expensive equipment be required to manufacture the discs, movie studios may opt to release their titles across two Blu-ray Discs rather than cram movie and special feature data onto a single disc.

While the Blu-ray camp has its hopes in Hitachi’s multi-layer disc technology, the HD DVD group recently approved a triple-layer disc that is capable of holding 51GB. In order to reach a dual-layer Blu-ray Disc-besting capacity, an extra 2GB per layer was squeezed in, for a total of 51GB. Toshiba states that continued improvement in disc mastering technology has achieved further minimization in the recording pit, allowing for the boost in capacity to 17GB in single layer and a full 51GB on a single-sided triple-layer disc.

Interestingly enough, blue-violet laser technology has not stopped endeavors in increasing the capacity of red laser-based media. UK-based New Medium Enterprises revealed in March that it developed a quad-layer DVD, called the Versatile Multilayer Disc (VMD), which is capable of storing 20GB. Even with four layers, the VMD can’t best the storage offered by today’s HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc media.

Adding just one or two layers may just be the tip of the iceberg in optical media technology. Media specialist company Ritek told DailyTech at CES 2007 that not only has it been able to produce three-layer and four-layer HD optical discs, but to have successfully designed HD media with a full 10 layers. Ritek said that its multi-layer process can be applied to both HD DVD and Blu-ray formats, making the latest developments in 20GB DVD, 51GB HD DVD and 100GB Blu-ray Discs look like just the beginning.
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Old 10-05-07 | 04:04 PM
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I don't know if this is really news since I work at Kmart, but we are going to start carrying blueray movies starting this month, again not really news but I thought I would share.
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Old 10-07-07 | 05:06 PM
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RoboCop is indeed the unrated version (per DVD Empire's rear cover scan), but it has the same suckfest Fox features: none of the DVD stuff carried over and only on a 25GB for $40 MSRP. Thank God I bought the steelbook...
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Old 10-07-07 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Zen Peckinpah
RoboCop is indeed the unrated version (per DVD Empire's rear cover scan), but it has the same suckfest Fox features: none of the DVD stuff carried over and only on a 25GB for $40 MSRP. Thank God I bought the steelbook...
For comparison:

MGM/Sony Blu-ray (discontinued prior to release):

- Rated Version
- BD-25
- MPEG-2
- English Uncompressed PCM 5.1
- English & French Dolby 5.1
- Subtitles: English, Spanish, French, Portuguese, Chinese, Korean, Thai
- Audio Commentary by Director Paul Verhoeven, Co-Writer Edward Neumeier and Executive Producer Jon Davison
- Deleted Scenes
- Flesh And Steel: The Making Of RoboCop (36:54)
- MSRP: $28.95

MGM/Fox Blu-ray:

- Unrated Version
- BD-25
- MPEG-2
- English DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
- English Dolby 4.0
- Spanish & French Dolby 5.1
- Subtitles: Spanish, French, Korean, Cantonese
- MSRP: $39.99
Nice one, Fox! This is exactly why I avoid nearly all of there movies. So far the only one I own is X-Men III (which is not a bad release at all)
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Old 10-07-07 | 08:05 PM
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What?! Fox is still using MPEG-2 on 25GB discs?? I think I'm going to have to drive over there and kick every single one of those fuckers right in the nuts.
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Old 10-07-07 | 08:15 PM
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What?! Fox is still using MPEG-2 on 25GB discs?? I think I'm going to have to drive over there and kick every single one of those fuckers right in the nuts.
...Yes. After a 6 month hiatus their first 2 titles don't work on 3 players and has numerous issues on the the others. The first thing Fox does is blame Samsung and LG...Yeah, their nuts in more then one way.
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Old 10-07-07 | 09:28 PM
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As for a possible reason for them using MPEG-2/BD25, the encoding on Robocop may have been done a while ago (originally planned to have been released before their hiatus). I wouldn't be surprised if other titles like Commando and Mr. and Mrs. Smith end up the same way.
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Old 10-07-07 | 11:35 PM
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As for a possible reason for them using MPEG-2/BD25, the encoding on Robocop may have been done a while ago (originally planned to have been released before their hiatus). I wouldn't be surprised if other titles like Commando and Mr. and Mrs. Smith end up the same way.
Commando and Mrs and Mrs have always been Fox...Robocop was a Sony/MGM title before. Edward Scissorhands will also suffer the same fate I believe.
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Old 10-08-07 | 10:43 AM
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What?! Fox is still using MPEG-2 on 25GB discs?? I think I'm going to have to drive over there and kick every single one of those fuckers right in the nuts.
Well at least they're giving us the unrated cut and lossless sound.
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Old 10-08-07 | 11:10 AM
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Well at least they're giving us the unrated cut and lossless sound.

"At least"? "Giving"???

Unrated and lossless are nice, but what about bonus features and what about a reasonable MSRP? This is a barebones catalogue title. Fox needs to be called on this garbage!
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Well at least they're giving us the unrated cut and lossless sound.
Dude...its not cool either way. $40 for a barebones release that is at least unrated and has lossless?
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Old 10-08-07 | 11:39 AM
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"At least"? "Giving"???

Unrated and lossless are nice, but what about bonus features and what about a reasonable MSRP? This is a barebones catalogue title. Fox needs to be called on this garbage!
Exactly....this is pure greed and really makes me wonder if they care about the success of this format. Fox has made some bad decisions lately.
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Old 10-08-07 | 11:48 AM
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Exactly....this is pure greed and really makes me wonder if they care about the success of this format. Fox has made some bad decisions lately.
It's too bad that they don't learn from their previous bad decisions.
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Fox's new releases have all been VERY high bitrate encodes with lossless audio. I'll take those over low bitrate, lossy audio movies ANY day of the week. And who wants to watch SD extras after watching a HD Movie? I guess its cool if the extras are HD, and even then, i still wouldnt watch them since i dont care for extras. Fox is kicking booty and taking names, as far as im concerned. So glad to have them back.
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Fox's new releases have all been VERY high bitrate encodes with lossless audio. I'll take those over low bitrate, lossy audio movies ANY day of the week. And who wants to watch SD extras after watching a HD Movie? I guess its cool if the extras are HD, and even then, i still wouldnt watch them since i dont care for extras. Fox is kicking booty and taking names, as far as im concerned. So glad to have them back.
This is a typical response from a Pro Blu-ray person. You're willing to take a $40 barebones 25GB Disc release over a fully loaded $30 HD DVD one on a 30GB disc.
The average person would rather have extras then lossless audio which only a small % of people can actually listen to (nor actually tell the difference).
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This is a typical response from a Pro Blu-ray person. You're willing to take a $40 barebones 25GB Disc release over a fully loaded $30 HD DVD one on a 30GB disc.
The average person would rather have extras then lossless audio which only a small % of people can actually listen to (nor actually tell the difference).
But...but, Blu-ray has a higher bitrate; that's all that matters. And I have dog ears. I can *easily* tell the difference between lossy and lossless. Anyone who can't is just deaf.
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Old 10-08-07 | 01:45 PM
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Yes. After a 6 month hiatus their first 2 titles don't work on 3 players and has numerous issues on the the others.
There are two brands of players that were touted as having playback issues, Samsung and LG, not three. These will be resolved via firmware upgrades.


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this is pure greed and really makes me wonder if they care about the success of this format. Fox has made some bad decisions lately.
It is not. It is actually exactly the same pricing scheme FOX used in the early days of DVD. As production increased they lowered their prices.

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This is a typical response from a Pro Blu-ray person. You're willing to take a $40 barebones 25GB Disc release over a fully loaded $30 HD DVD one on a 30GB disc.
And this is typical response from a pro-HDDVD person. So long as the disc has top notch audio/video specs I am willing to pay 30$ (no need to keep thumping the 40$ mark, Fox tiles are available for less). In fact, if and when Miramax release the Three Colors Trilogy I would be willing to pay up to 100$ for each title in the box. As to the current crop of Fox titles 28 Days Later offers yet another stunning transfer, I'd rather pay a few $ extra than pay 30$ and get a mediocre-looking disc.

Bravo Fox:
http://www.hometheaterspot.com/fusio...hp?tid/138846/



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The average person would rather have extras then lossless audio which only a small % of people can actually listen to (nor actually tell the difference).
Another unsupported by facts claim. 300 had more extra features yet it continues to outsell its HDDVD counterpart. In fact, it has been the top BR title ever since it was released.

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Old 10-08-07 | 01:58 PM
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Another unsupported by facts claim. 300 had more extra features yet it continues to outsell its HDDVD counterpart. In fact, it has been the top BR title ever since it was released.

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Name another example, not a movie that would clearly sell well given the typical age range and interest of PS3 owners.
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It is not. It is actually exactly the same pricing scheme FOX used in the early days of DVD. As production increased they lowered their prices.
So, they are basing their pricing scheme on DVD sales?

Face it, FOX has been plagued with disc delays, high MSRPs, no special features and disc problems. Not to mention the PG-13 rated version of DH4 coming out.

IMO, they have been the worst studio so far in this format "battle".
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