General Blu-ray news and discussion PART 2
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Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
It is funny that you opted to drop the first portion of the paragraph
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I stand by what I said. This will never be used for movie discs.
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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
I believe I quoted the relevant portion of the article and am interpreting it fairly and correctly. Feel free to disagree.
Originally Posted by JoshZ
I stand by what I said. This will never be used for movie discs.
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I can see there being a use for it for items like TV series, documentaries or films of excessive running time that also have loads of extras. Whether they are used depends on reliability and cost at replication (I'm assuming mastering costs would not be noticeably more than master 2 BD50s). Of course, the marketing people (and therefore consumers) love their 2 disc sets due to the perceived value - then again you could easily come with some fancy name for it like "super fat boy blu-ray disc - this disc is just bursting with over a tonne of extra features waiting to be consumed".
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We shall see what the future holds.
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Here's a better article on HITACHI and their new 100GB disc:
http://www.dailytech.com/Hitachi+Dev...rticle9173.htm
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http://www.dailytech.com/Hitachi+Dev...rticle9173.htm
100GB on a single Blu-ray Disc that will work with today's machines, promises Hitachi
Throughout the life of the format, DVD has been primarily limited to at most two layers, keeping the format at a maximum storage space of under 9GB. The new high-definition formats, however, appear to have taken a page from hard disk drives when it comes at adding additional storage.
Just as how adding additional platters inside a hard disk drive provides more storage, optical media makers are finding ways to stack layers of readable surface inside a polymer disc to increase capacity. Hitachi revealed this week at CEATEC JAPAN 2007 that it has successfully developed a quad-layer Blu-ray Disc that is capable of storing 100GB of data.
The concept multi-layer discs is practiced by many other media labs, but Hitachi claims that its quad-layer technology would be compatible with existing Blu-ray Disc drives after a firmware update. Prior developments of greater than dual layer discs have required special hardware to read the new media.
Hitachi is now working on improving the signal quality of its quad-layer technology so that it will be ready for market. The company also said that it is working on an eight-layer variant of the technology, which would yield a Blu-ray Disc capable of holding 200GB.
Although no new hardware may be required to read the additional layers of Hitachi’s Blu-ray Disc, it is still unclear what costs, if any, would be added onto the manufacturing side of the equation. Should expensive equipment be required to manufacture the discs, movie studios may opt to release their titles across two Blu-ray Discs rather than cram movie and special feature data onto a single disc.
While the Blu-ray camp has its hopes in Hitachi’s multi-layer disc technology, the HD DVD group recently approved a triple-layer disc that is capable of holding 51GB. In order to reach a dual-layer Blu-ray Disc-besting capacity, an extra 2GB per layer was squeezed in, for a total of 51GB. Toshiba states that continued improvement in disc mastering technology has achieved further minimization in the recording pit, allowing for the boost in capacity to 17GB in single layer and a full 51GB on a single-sided triple-layer disc.
Interestingly enough, blue-violet laser technology has not stopped endeavors in increasing the capacity of red laser-based media. UK-based New Medium Enterprises revealed in March that it developed a quad-layer DVD, called the Versatile Multilayer Disc (VMD), which is capable of storing 20GB. Even with four layers, the VMD can’t best the storage offered by today’s HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc media.
Adding just one or two layers may just be the tip of the iceberg in optical media technology. Media specialist company Ritek told DailyTech at CES 2007 that not only has it been able to produce three-layer and four-layer HD optical discs, but to have successfully designed HD media with a full 10 layers. Ritek said that its multi-layer process can be applied to both HD DVD and Blu-ray formats, making the latest developments in 20GB DVD, 51GB HD DVD and 100GB Blu-ray Discs look like just the beginning.
Throughout the life of the format, DVD has been primarily limited to at most two layers, keeping the format at a maximum storage space of under 9GB. The new high-definition formats, however, appear to have taken a page from hard disk drives when it comes at adding additional storage.
Just as how adding additional platters inside a hard disk drive provides more storage, optical media makers are finding ways to stack layers of readable surface inside a polymer disc to increase capacity. Hitachi revealed this week at CEATEC JAPAN 2007 that it has successfully developed a quad-layer Blu-ray Disc that is capable of storing 100GB of data.
The concept multi-layer discs is practiced by many other media labs, but Hitachi claims that its quad-layer technology would be compatible with existing Blu-ray Disc drives after a firmware update. Prior developments of greater than dual layer discs have required special hardware to read the new media.
Hitachi is now working on improving the signal quality of its quad-layer technology so that it will be ready for market. The company also said that it is working on an eight-layer variant of the technology, which would yield a Blu-ray Disc capable of holding 200GB.
Although no new hardware may be required to read the additional layers of Hitachi’s Blu-ray Disc, it is still unclear what costs, if any, would be added onto the manufacturing side of the equation. Should expensive equipment be required to manufacture the discs, movie studios may opt to release their titles across two Blu-ray Discs rather than cram movie and special feature data onto a single disc.
While the Blu-ray camp has its hopes in Hitachi’s multi-layer disc technology, the HD DVD group recently approved a triple-layer disc that is capable of holding 51GB. In order to reach a dual-layer Blu-ray Disc-besting capacity, an extra 2GB per layer was squeezed in, for a total of 51GB. Toshiba states that continued improvement in disc mastering technology has achieved further minimization in the recording pit, allowing for the boost in capacity to 17GB in single layer and a full 51GB on a single-sided triple-layer disc.
Interestingly enough, blue-violet laser technology has not stopped endeavors in increasing the capacity of red laser-based media. UK-based New Medium Enterprises revealed in March that it developed a quad-layer DVD, called the Versatile Multilayer Disc (VMD), which is capable of storing 20GB. Even with four layers, the VMD can’t best the storage offered by today’s HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc media.
Adding just one or two layers may just be the tip of the iceberg in optical media technology. Media specialist company Ritek told DailyTech at CES 2007 that not only has it been able to produce three-layer and four-layer HD optical discs, but to have successfully designed HD media with a full 10 layers. Ritek said that its multi-layer process can be applied to both HD DVD and Blu-ray formats, making the latest developments in 20GB DVD, 51GB HD DVD and 100GB Blu-ray Discs look like just the beginning.
#783
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I don't know if this is really news since I work at Kmart, but we are going to start carrying blueray movies starting this month, again not really news but I thought I would share.
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RoboCop is indeed the unrated version (per DVD Empire's rear cover scan), but it has the same suckfest Fox features: none of the DVD stuff carried over and only on a 25GB for $40 MSRP. Thank God I bought the steelbook...
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Originally Posted by Zen Peckinpah
RoboCop is indeed the unrated version (per DVD Empire's rear cover scan), but it has the same suckfest Fox features: none of the DVD stuff carried over and only on a 25GB for $40 MSRP. Thank God I bought the steelbook...
MGM/Sony Blu-ray (discontinued prior to release):
- Rated Version
- BD-25
- MPEG-2
- English Uncompressed PCM 5.1
- English & French Dolby 5.1
- Subtitles: English, Spanish, French, Portuguese, Chinese, Korean, Thai
- Audio Commentary by Director Paul Verhoeven, Co-Writer Edward Neumeier and Executive Producer Jon Davison
- Deleted Scenes
- Flesh And Steel: The Making Of RoboCop (36:54)
- MSRP: $28.95
MGM/Fox Blu-ray:
- Unrated Version
- BD-25
- MPEG-2
- English DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
- English Dolby 4.0
- Spanish & French Dolby 5.1
- Subtitles: Spanish, French, Korean, Cantonese
- MSRP: $39.99
- Rated Version
- BD-25
- MPEG-2
- English Uncompressed PCM 5.1
- English & French Dolby 5.1
- Subtitles: English, Spanish, French, Portuguese, Chinese, Korean, Thai
- Audio Commentary by Director Paul Verhoeven, Co-Writer Edward Neumeier and Executive Producer Jon Davison
- Deleted Scenes
- Flesh And Steel: The Making Of RoboCop (36:54)
- MSRP: $28.95
MGM/Fox Blu-ray:
- Unrated Version
- BD-25
- MPEG-2
- English DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
- English Dolby 4.0
- Spanish & French Dolby 5.1
- Subtitles: Spanish, French, Korean, Cantonese
- MSRP: $39.99
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
What?! Fox is still using MPEG-2 on 25GB discs?? I think I'm going to have to drive over there and kick every single one of those fuckers right in the nuts.
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As for a possible reason for them using MPEG-2/BD25, the encoding on Robocop may have been done a while ago (originally planned to have been released before their hiatus). I wouldn't be surprised if other titles like Commando and Mr. and Mrs. Smith end up the same way.
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Originally Posted by Drexl
As for a possible reason for them using MPEG-2/BD25, the encoding on Robocop may have been done a while ago (originally planned to have been released before their hiatus). I wouldn't be surprised if other titles like Commando and Mr. and Mrs. Smith end up the same way.
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
What?! Fox is still using MPEG-2 on 25GB discs?? I think I'm going to have to drive over there and kick every single one of those fuckers right in the nuts.
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Originally Posted by tonymontana313
Well at least they're giving us the unrated cut and lossless sound.
"At least"? "Giving"???
Unrated and lossless are nice, but what about bonus features and what about a reasonable MSRP? This is a barebones catalogue title. Fox needs to be called on this garbage!
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Originally Posted by tonymontana313
Well at least they're giving us the unrated cut and lossless sound.
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Originally Posted by applesandrice
"At least"? "Giving"???
Unrated and lossless are nice, but what about bonus features and what about a reasonable MSRP? This is a barebones catalogue title. Fox needs to be called on this garbage!
Unrated and lossless are nice, but what about bonus features and what about a reasonable MSRP? This is a barebones catalogue title. Fox needs to be called on this garbage!
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Originally Posted by RockStrongo
Exactly....this is pure greed and really makes me wonder if they care about the success of this format. Fox has made some bad decisions lately.
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Fox's new releases have all been VERY high bitrate encodes with lossless audio. I'll take those over low bitrate, lossy audio movies ANY day of the week. And who wants to watch SD extras after watching a HD Movie? I guess its cool if the extras are HD, and even then, i still wouldnt watch them since i dont care for extras. Fox is kicking booty and taking names, as far as im concerned. So glad to have them back.
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Originally Posted by QuePaso
Fox's new releases have all been VERY high bitrate encodes with lossless audio. I'll take those over low bitrate, lossy audio movies ANY day of the week. And who wants to watch SD extras after watching a HD Movie? I guess its cool if the extras are HD, and even then, i still wouldnt watch them since i dont care for extras. Fox is kicking booty and taking names, as far as im concerned. So glad to have them back.
The average person would rather have extras then lossless audio which only a small % of people can actually listen to (nor actually tell the difference).
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
This is a typical response from a Pro Blu-ray person. You're willing to take a $40 barebones 25GB Disc release over a fully loaded $30 HD DVD one on a 30GB disc.
The average person would rather have extras then lossless audio which only a small % of people can actually listen to (nor actually tell the difference).
The average person would rather have extras then lossless audio which only a small % of people can actually listen to (nor actually tell the difference).
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GizmoDVD:
Yes. After a 6 month hiatus their first 2 titles don't work on 3 players and has numerous issues on the the others.
Yes. After a 6 month hiatus their first 2 titles don't work on 3 players and has numerous issues on the the others.
RockStrongo:
this is pure greed and really makes me wonder if they care about the success of this format. Fox has made some bad decisions lately.
this is pure greed and really makes me wonder if they care about the success of this format. Fox has made some bad decisions lately.
GizmoDVD:
This is a typical response from a Pro Blu-ray person. You're willing to take a $40 barebones 25GB Disc release over a fully loaded $30 HD DVD one on a 30GB disc.
This is a typical response from a Pro Blu-ray person. You're willing to take a $40 barebones 25GB Disc release over a fully loaded $30 HD DVD one on a 30GB disc.
Bravo Fox:
http://www.hometheaterspot.com/fusio...hp?tid/138846/
GizmoDVD:
The average person would rather have extras then lossless audio which only a small % of people can actually listen to (nor actually tell the difference).
The average person would rather have extras then lossless audio which only a small % of people can actually listen to (nor actually tell the difference).
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Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
Another unsupported by facts claim. 300 had more extra features yet it continues to outsell its HDDVD counterpart. In fact, it has been the top BR title ever since it was released.
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Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
It is not. It is actually exactly the same pricing scheme FOX used in the early days of DVD. As production increased they lowered their prices.

Face it, FOX has been plagued with disc delays, high MSRPs, no special features and disc problems. Not to mention the PG-13 rated version of DH4 coming out.
IMO, they have been the worst studio so far in this format "battle".



