Your HDTV really *does* make a huge difference... (a bit long)
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Your HDTV really *does* make a huge difference... (a bit long)
I've been enjoying the [BLEEP!] out of both HD formats. I bought a Toshiba HD-A1 for HD-DVD in April of 2006, and a 20GB PS3 for Blu-Ray the day before Thanksgiving last year. 3 weeks ago I upgraded to the 2nd Generation XA2. Other than a few niche music DVDs, I have not purchased an SD DVD since June of 2006. Only HD for me.
Well, as much as I love my ISF-calibrated 65" Mitsubishi WS65613, I figured I'd venture out and see what the current crop of HDTVs can do, since it's been 3.5 years since I last spent time looking at sets...
Mistake. (at least from a fiscal perspective)
The last time I shopped DLPs, LCDs, and plasmas, they were fairly pitiful... lots of artifacts, and none could produce a decent black worth a damn. My, how far they've come!
Last week I shopped the 2 local boutique dealers, as well as checking out a number of sets at BB and CC (pathetic viewing conditions, but one can at least check out the various models). Since one of the local boutiques said he'd match any local store as well as the online big boys (JR, Crutchfield, Onecall, Amazon... but understandably not the "fell-off-the-truck" grey-market wholesalers out of NYC), I dove right in.
I can't control the lighting to the point where I could consider a projector, and the bang-for-the buck simply isn't there with LCDs or plasmas at large screen sizes (60"+), so I limited myself to the RPTV technologies (DLP, HD-ILA, LCOS, SXRD, and a whole bunch of other letters of the alphabet).
I can't tell you the sheer number of hours I've spent demoing sets, reading over at AVS about RPTVS (information overload really), as well as communicating with a few ISF techs on their opinions of sets as to pre- and post-calibration performance. I initially was considering the JVC 70FH97 ($3K) and the Samsung S7178W ($3.3K). However, I kept getting one other set being recommended to me above all others. I always take salesmen's recommendations very cynically, since they're always looking for their best commission, but when the ISF techs I'm talking to echo that same recommendation, I start to take notice.
Enter the Sony XBR2. I blanched at the price, since it's $1,500 more than the Samsung, and almost $2K more than the JVC.
However, the more I read... and watched... and read... and watched, the more apparent the difference became.
Well, the question is how good does the set look on content I know inside and out as opposed to a demo feed, so I packed up my old HD-A1 and a box of HD-DVDs and carted them down to the dealer, and sat on the showroom floor demoing stuff on a 60-inch XBR2 for more than an hour.
Watching King Kong, Batman Begins, and Chronicles of Riddick, as well as a few other titles, it became abundantly clear that upgrading my set is going to produce almost as much of a PQ increase as going from DVD to HD-DVD did. It was jaw-droppingly amazing. I had no idea the difference a high-quality fixed-pixel display would make over a CRT RPTV. King Kong and League of Extraordinary Gentlemen took on new life on that set.
So after silencing the screams my credit card was making at me, I'm now expecting the delivery of a bouncing baby 70XBR2 next week.
The 60" I spent time demoing on had not been calibrated, just a few minor adjustments from factory defaults. If they're that nice out of the box, I cannot imagine what they look like after ISF calibration (especially in light of some of the glowing post-calibration reviews I've read). I've signed up to have umr (see AVS forum) calibrate my set when he comes through central Illinois in late July.
I may be paying for the darned thing for the next 5 years, but hey, you gotta enjoy life, right?
P.S. It's going to be fun to go back and rewatch all the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray titles I have as a "new experience."
Well, as much as I love my ISF-calibrated 65" Mitsubishi WS65613, I figured I'd venture out and see what the current crop of HDTVs can do, since it's been 3.5 years since I last spent time looking at sets...
Mistake. (at least from a fiscal perspective)

The last time I shopped DLPs, LCDs, and plasmas, they were fairly pitiful... lots of artifacts, and none could produce a decent black worth a damn. My, how far they've come!
Last week I shopped the 2 local boutique dealers, as well as checking out a number of sets at BB and CC (pathetic viewing conditions, but one can at least check out the various models). Since one of the local boutiques said he'd match any local store as well as the online big boys (JR, Crutchfield, Onecall, Amazon... but understandably not the "fell-off-the-truck" grey-market wholesalers out of NYC), I dove right in.
I can't control the lighting to the point where I could consider a projector, and the bang-for-the buck simply isn't there with LCDs or plasmas at large screen sizes (60"+), so I limited myself to the RPTV technologies (DLP, HD-ILA, LCOS, SXRD, and a whole bunch of other letters of the alphabet).
I can't tell you the sheer number of hours I've spent demoing sets, reading over at AVS about RPTVS (information overload really), as well as communicating with a few ISF techs on their opinions of sets as to pre- and post-calibration performance. I initially was considering the JVC 70FH97 ($3K) and the Samsung S7178W ($3.3K). However, I kept getting one other set being recommended to me above all others. I always take salesmen's recommendations very cynically, since they're always looking for their best commission, but when the ISF techs I'm talking to echo that same recommendation, I start to take notice.
Enter the Sony XBR2. I blanched at the price, since it's $1,500 more than the Samsung, and almost $2K more than the JVC.
However, the more I read... and watched... and read... and watched, the more apparent the difference became.Well, the question is how good does the set look on content I know inside and out as opposed to a demo feed, so I packed up my old HD-A1 and a box of HD-DVDs and carted them down to the dealer, and sat on the showroom floor demoing stuff on a 60-inch XBR2 for more than an hour.
Watching King Kong, Batman Begins, and Chronicles of Riddick, as well as a few other titles, it became abundantly clear that upgrading my set is going to produce almost as much of a PQ increase as going from DVD to HD-DVD did. It was jaw-droppingly amazing. I had no idea the difference a high-quality fixed-pixel display would make over a CRT RPTV. King Kong and League of Extraordinary Gentlemen took on new life on that set.
So after silencing the screams my credit card was making at me, I'm now expecting the delivery of a bouncing baby 70XBR2 next week.
The 60" I spent time demoing on had not been calibrated, just a few minor adjustments from factory defaults. If they're that nice out of the box, I cannot imagine what they look like after ISF calibration (especially in light of some of the glowing post-calibration reviews I've read). I've signed up to have umr (see AVS forum) calibrate my set when he comes through central Illinois in late July.
I may be paying for the darned thing for the next 5 years, but hey, you gotta enjoy life, right?

P.S. It's going to be fun to go back and rewatch all the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray titles I have as a "new experience."
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Excellent choice.
If I could have afforded it, I would have loved to get a 70" XBR2, from all I've read (and seen), it's an amazing set. But when I was shopping for a new HDTV, that one was about $7000+ here in Canada
, so I had to settle for a different Sony SXRD, the 60A2000. Not quite as good, but I love it, and I'm sure you will definitely enjoy your set.
If I could have afforded it, I would have loved to get a 70" XBR2, from all I've read (and seen), it's an amazing set. But when I was shopping for a new HDTV, that one was about $7000+ here in Canada
, so I had to settle for a different Sony SXRD, the 60A2000. Not quite as good, but I love it, and I'm sure you will definitely enjoy your set.
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Originally Posted by cultshock
Excellent choice.
If I could have afforded it, I would have loved to get a 70" XBR2, from all I've read (and seen), it's an amazing set. But when I was shopping for a new HDTV, that one was about $7000+ here in Canada
, so I had to settle for a different Sony SXRD, the 60A2000. Not quite as good, but I love it, and I'm sure you will definitely enjoy your set. 
If I could have afforded it, I would have loved to get a 70" XBR2, from all I've read (and seen), it's an amazing set. But when I was shopping for a new HDTV, that one was about $7000+ here in Canada
, so I had to settle for a different Sony SXRD, the 60A2000. Not quite as good, but I love it, and I'm sure you will definitely enjoy your set. 

It's definitely a new experience watching HD-DVDs and Blu-ray discs on that set instead of the 32" Samsung LCD in my bedroom. Some look even better. Others(Field of Dreams comes to mind) now look as bad as I've heard people say they were.
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Originally Posted by dharding
Well, as much as I love my ISF-calibrated 65" Mitsubishi WS65613, I figured I'd venture out and see what the current crop of HDTVs can do, since it's been 3.5 years since I last spent time looking at sets...


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Congrats on your tv!
I have the Samsung 71in and for the record, the picture is ALOT better after ISF calibration. In my research, I read this and so went with it. I LOVE mine.
Some sets look average out of the box or even with simple tweaking via DVE or something.
After reading reports on AVS, some experienced ISF techs claim the Sammy HLS series has the best picture of all RPTVs after proper ISF calibration. So, anyone thinking about these sets, please keep that in mind. ISF calibration is VERY important.
BTW - Avical is EXCELLENT.
I have the Samsung 71in and for the record, the picture is ALOT better after ISF calibration. In my research, I read this and so went with it. I LOVE mine.
Some sets look average out of the box or even with simple tweaking via DVE or something.
After reading reports on AVS, some experienced ISF techs claim the Sammy HLS series has the best picture of all RPTVs after proper ISF calibration. So, anyone thinking about these sets, please keep that in mind. ISF calibration is VERY important.
BTW - Avical is EXCELLENT.
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Originally Posted by cultshock
Excellent choice.
If I could have afforded it, I would have loved to get a 70" XBR2, from all I've read (and seen), it's an amazing set. But when I was shopping for a new HDTV, that one was about $7000+ here in Canada
, so I had to settle for a different Sony SXRD, the 60A2000. Not quite as good, but I love it, and I'm sure you will definitely enjoy your set. 
If I could have afforded it, I would have loved to get a 70" XBR2, from all I've read (and seen), it's an amazing set. But when I was shopping for a new HDTV, that one was about $7000+ here in Canada
, so I had to settle for a different Sony SXRD, the 60A2000. Not quite as good, but I love it, and I'm sure you will definitely enjoy your set. 
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Originally Posted by Jason One
...and I thought it did a poor job scaling anything less than 1080i. But man, it did look pretty good with 1080i/p sources, and I loved the size. Still searching for the perfect big HDTV...
Network TV: all locals are broadcast in HD OTA = 1080i
Dish: I hardly ever watch SD material any more, and the 211 is outputting 1080i.
HD-DVD: 1080p
Blu-Ray: 1080i/p
Region 1 DVD: Reon upscaling through the Toshiba HD-A2 @ 1080p
PAL and non-R1 DVD: Oppo upscaling to 1080i
It's a 1080 world...
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Originally Posted by Jason One
This thread makes me sad because I just returned a 60" SXRD. I couldn't get past the silk screen effect, and I thought it did a poor job scaling anything less than 1080i. But man, it did look pretty good with 1080i/p sources, and I loved the size. Still searching for the perfect big HDTV...
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Hmm....the Ruby is under $5K. 1080 SXRD in whatever size you want....
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Originally Posted by Jason One
This thread makes me sad because I just returned a 60" SXRD. I couldn't get past the silk screen effect...
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Wow, I cannot believe you replaced your 3.5 year old TV. I'm in a similiar situation though I have a 5.5 year old MITS WS55807 (I think that is the part number) and the picture is still great. It's just a BIG ASS TV (space wise). I was thinking of upgrading to a 1080p set also, I was looking at the MITS DLP's since they are under $2K these days. However, I cannot just justify spending any more money on that. I just had a child also, and just remodeled the kitchen, so money is in a lot of other places....
well, see though....new gadgets are always fun. When will we see the next BIG drop in TV prices?
well, see though....new gadgets are always fun. When will we see the next BIG drop in TV prices?
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Wow, I cannot believe you replaced your 3.5 year old TV. I'm in a similiar situation though I have a 5.5 year old MITS WS55807 (I think that is the part number) and the picture is still great. It's just a BIG ASS TV (space wise). I was thinking of upgrading to a 1080p set also, I was looking at the MITS DLP's since they are under $2K these days. However, I cannot just justify spending any more money on that. I just had a child also, and just remodeled the kitchen, so money is in a lot of other places....
well, see though....new gadgets are always fun. When will we see the next BIG drop in TV prices?
well, see though....new gadgets are always fun. When will we see the next BIG drop in TV prices?
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I know, I almost had my wife convinced that we needed a new TV (it would take up less room, I could move my components underneath instead of next to it, thus we would have a free space.
However, the $2K price tag is what is holding us back. I guess once I pay off a few bills....Best Buy may get my business with a 24 month no interest whenever they have it again.
I'm sure when the time comes I'll be back to get suggestions of what TV I want. Sony seems nice, but expensive...and I love my Mits, so there DLP seems good.
I guess I need something for Gaming as well, with the 360 and PS3.
However, the $2K price tag is what is holding us back. I guess once I pay off a few bills....Best Buy may get my business with a 24 month no interest whenever they have it again.
I'm sure when the time comes I'll be back to get suggestions of what TV I want. Sony seems nice, but expensive...and I love my Mits, so there DLP seems good.
I guess I need something for Gaming as well, with the 360 and PS3.
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^ If you need financing, I suggest getting a low interest (or no interest) credit card offer and using it.
You will get a MUCH better deal on a set online and you can get a warranty for it too. It could potentially save hundreds, not to mention tax.
It might put a new tv in your price range if you research online.
Good luck!
You will get a MUCH better deal on a set online and you can get a warranty for it too. It could potentially save hundreds, not to mention tax.
It might put a new tv in your price range if you research online.
Good luck!
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Thanks for the offer....but opening MORE credit cards is not my ideal situation. I already have a Best Buy credit card...and sometimes they will match a price or I've seen decent prices with the 12% off coupon also.
Although, I have to decide what I really want and WHEN I can do this.
Although, I have to decide what I really want and WHEN I can do this.
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Understandable about the credit card....I dont like opening them either. 
Im just pointing out that sometimes you can save more money than 0% financing would help.
For example, I bought my tv from a reputable dealer off the net for $3700 shipped.....At that time at Best Buy, the same set was $4799 (after sales tax would have been almost $5200). Even with the 12% off, online was a much better deal.
Research is definately the key.

Im just pointing out that sometimes you can save more money than 0% financing would help.
For example, I bought my tv from a reputable dealer off the net for $3700 shipped.....At that time at Best Buy, the same set was $4799 (after sales tax would have been almost $5200). Even with the 12% off, online was a much better deal.
Research is definately the key.
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
This all makes me very glad I have a room where I can control all the light and use a projector. But, that does sound like a great set. 




