digitalfreaknyc

You can't blame it all on the compression methods. There's room on some of these discs for more extras. They're just not putting them there. It's a studio decision.

Spiky

Amazing. Have you professed your love directly to Bill? You won't get any by posting on a forum to other people.

I guess if I quoted marketing shilliness, I could be labeled "credible", too. Course, I never claimed to be credible, that's the difference between Bill and me.

Burnt Thru

is that supposed to be your attempt at a rebuttal? that i somehow "love" bill simply because i defend him from vapid denegration. how childish.

it's noticable that none of the usual suspects have even attempted to tackle the meat of the article...

Qui Gon Jim

God damn, was this the most predictable read.

namja

I understand the arrogance of Sony and it's annoying. On par with that are people who persistently attack any article that remotely praises BD. Please keep these threadcraps out of this thread. If you disagree with him, fine. Don't hop in here just to say that it's meaningless or that we can't take him seriously or the likes.

For the past month or so, we've let this forum run almost freely since most people understood the boundaries. I really don't want to have to start deleting every other post and closing half the threads.

namja
Moderator, DVD Talk Forums

Josh Z

Is Hunt's article praising Blu-ray or attacking HD DVD?

digitalfreaknyc

*silence*

Supermallet

The problem with the article is that Bill completely disregards every positive point that HD DVD has to offer, while trumpeting BD's advantages to the point of sounding like his editorial was punched up by a Sony rep. Of course, this is just my opinion, I'm not an insider, so clearly it means nothing, but I still stand by it.

Spiky

So, I'm vapid because I say all he does is shill for companies instead of actually researching products? Ironic.

Seriously, where does the defense come from? It makes no sense to cling so tightly to pamphlets, regardless of the form they come in. That's right, I just compared Hunt to a shiny piece of paper. At least he has free will to choose what is written on him.

What's really funny is that I haven't said a thing about BD or HD-DVD, and that is what you are really defending, I believe. Also curious is that I haven't even said whether I agree with Bill on this article. In fact, I even said my opinion is meaningless, well before you did. So once again, what are you up in arms about? Is it the validation you receive from bloggers who happen to agree with you?

namja,
Do not serious critics choose sources wisely before quoting? Calling out the non-expert status of a source shouldn't be grounds for tearing up threads. I called Digital Bill a blogger, hardly a slam in the 21st century, and got ripped for it.

True_Story1011

Everyone shouldnt be so much up in arms, its only video components; if people took the stance they do with the state of our world as they do with the newest transfer of 'Gone with the Wind'. We would be living in a near perfect world.

Have fun with whoever wins, I'm sure they arent going to forget about this whole little shindig and make players that play both formats if one particular encoding takes over.

At least it wasnt like the hit I took on Divx. lmmfao... (mmm... that sucked!)

Find the humor and fun in the small things, this life is wayyyy to serious for the arguments were having on this.

BTW... I own both formats. I buy what interested me better on that particular format. Babel and Departed... Both HD-DVD.

Army of Darkness - Didnt purchase; I want features for the price I pay. I can stay with my Anchor Bay versions.

All in all guys, we should all live by what the great philosphere Eddie Murphy said, 'Hey Bill, Have a Coke and a smile- and shut the fuq up'

WORD! lol

digitalfreaknyc

So then, in all seriousness, what have you bought on BD?

True_Story1011

The Descent, Alien vs. Predator, X-3, Presitge, etc.

I'm pretty unbias... up to the point of the pretty red cases! lmao

I just simply want the films that offer the most features in the highest possible quality- I dont think thats asking much is it?

Why cant people look at it the same way? I dont make a ton of money a year, and I have both formats...

I CAN HONESTLY SAY - I DONT MIND BUYING BOTH FORMATS IF THEY OFFER WHAT I WANT!

namja

Spiky, this post is not directed AT you. It's directed towards everyone who posted in this thread:

Do pro-HD DVD people have nothing better to do than to enter every pro-BD thread and crap on it? There are several posts in this thread that are threadcraps, are there not??

If you disagree, then fine. Tell us why you disagree by typing up a well thought out article of your own. If all you want to do is crap on the thread, then stay away.

namja
Moderator, DVD Talk Forums

Mr. Cinema

Could someone answer the question in post 56?

digitalfreaknyc

That goes with the assumption that Bill Hunt knows how to "type a well thought article" of HIS own.

That being said, I agree with some of what he has to say. I'm just sick and tired of people spouting their high and mighty opinions as gospel. Does anyone honestly think that "they" know how to end this format war and people actively involved in it (ie: their jobs are on the line) don't?

namja

When it comes to the end of format war, no one is an expert. I am ACTIVELY IN IT, and I claim to be no expert either. It's all speculation. This thread was started by someone who found the article interesting, and what we got is a bunch of people crapping on it ... for what? The problem here is how so many HD DVD supporters get all defensive in the BD threads and causing fights as a result.

Likewise, if someone craps on a pro-HD DVD thread, then let me know. We'll do our best to get rid of the threadcraps.

namja
Moderator, DVD Talk Forums

Bcolon

Well I just reread both editorials and to answer Josh Z's question as to if the articles are pro-BD or anti-HDDVD. I would say, in my non-insider opinion, they are obviously pro-BD, but are not anti-HDDVD. He tells us that both formats are, essentially equal, and that he loves both formats, but with the superior studio and C.E. support, a victory for BD is a no brainer. That is my take.

Burnt Thru

It's an analysis of the situation from someone who's been talking to the studios for many years. It's neither and both anti/pro in the way that most analysis tends to be.

You seem determined to both make and take this personally. Why is that? As to clinging to pamphlets or whatever ropey symbology you chose you'll be hard pressed to find a post of mine here agreeing with Bill's analysis. Guess why that is...?

Supermallet

I might agree with that assessment if he wasn't glossing over the factors that are good for HD (cheaper players, porn, etc.). By saying all the factors that could win it for BD means that BD will win, while at the same time saying that none of the good factors will help HD, he shows his bias.

DVD Josh

And we have the winning rebuttal of this article for Burn-Thru. Excellent job SM.

So now we have a biased corporate shill, and we are supposed to take his "opinion" seriously? No thank you.

I love both formats. I'm not "pro" one or the other anymore. In fact, I've been more impressed with my BD discs than my HDD discs lately. But BD supporters have a knack for the ridiculous and making conclusory statements that only hurt their credibility in the end. Let the releases and hardware speak for themselves, and let people make their own decisions, and not agree with mindless Storm Troopers who fall to the dark side.

Burnt Thru

Every reviewer, critic, and pundit has bias. It's human nature. But it doesn't invalidate their views, or render them all equal, as some might like to imagine. And calling someone a shill (without a shread of evidence, it would seem) isn't a clever argument.

Incidentally, the price of players is clearly a factor in the course of any format, and it would be silly to totally ignore it. That doesn't mean that it necessarily plays in quite the way people often suspect.

DVD Josh

Not a shred of evidence? You can play smarter than that BT. You said yourself the number of "connections" DB with BD insiders. Is that "clever" enough for you.

There's a reason why you can exclude evidence at trial of witnesses with bias - it's inherently unreliable. So yes, it certainly does invalidate their views

Burnt Thru

Digital Bits has connections with insiders from both the BDA and the DVD Forum, with many companies being members of both organisations. Billy boy has talked with reps from Universal, which doesn't prove he's a shill for the HD DVD cause. While similarly he's chatted with folks from SPHE which also... well, ya know...

Witnesses excluded at trial on the basis of bias: what are you talking about?

Supermallet

Of course everyone has a bias. But there are those people who recognize their bias and dot heir best to minimize it when giving a general overview of a situation, while others let their bias overtake them. Bill did the latter, and in the end, his arguments were nothing more than anyone here could put together on a day's notice by reading most of the BD threads. If someone said to me, write an article saying BD will win, I could have written the same article all without ever talking to representatives from any studio.

tonyc3742

But bias doesn't automatically invalidate someone's statements/conclusions. Even if TDB is biased as they can be, if you take the facts he states, then apply some logic, I can see where he's coming from. Does that mean he's totally correct? Not necessarily--in this case he's performing sort of a 'market analyst' role. They have been known to be wrong. As an HDDVD owner/supporter, I would love for him to be wrong. But "He's a shill!' and "he's a blogger!" do not make him wrong. If someone has some *facts* or even some different/new logic to apply to the current facts, that result in a different expected outcome, then by all means share them.
I don't even care if he lets his bias show in an article. At that point he's a commentator. As long as he shares the facts and his conclusions based on those facts, he can comment all he wants. Readers may either agree with his conclusion or not, of course.
On to the facts:
I don't think porn is as big a factor as it used to be with VHS. Porn is mainstream now, and if any Joe Blow with a computer can't find free porn, well, it must not be turned on. Plus, though it remains to be seen, I don't know if porn *should* be in HD.
Right now, the only advantages I see that HDDVD has are cheaper hardware and a greater initial market, though with the PS3 that market share lead has certainly be removed. If BD/Sony pushed BD like this, making it crystal clear: "Yes, our hardware is 200-600 bucks more expensive. But with the PS3, you also get HD gaming. And don't forget, BD is the *only* place to see[list of popular/quality exclusive titles] in high definition" I think that would go far toward lessening the initial investment roadblock.