By not purchasing the more expensive combo hd-dvd edition, we are telling WB that we dont like combos.

The BD release by WB is exactly what the HD-DVD should have been (VC1+extras+lossless audio-combo disc).

I think some of us are just trying to steer the studios a certain way. I dont care if its BD or HD-DVD. We just want them to get it right (which WB has been doing normally).

I'm confused. The HD DVD is exactly like the BD release. One is just compressed losslessly. There really is no difference...other than the price-tag.

You may think you're telling WB you don't like combos...but I don't think ANYONE is going to hear it that way.

BD will spin spin spin it that they are outselling the HD DVD version and that everyone likes BD more. And anyone here who doesn't see that is in serious denial.

I think you dont understand what Im saying. I dont care about this war between hd-dvd and bd. I just plain dont care. Im actually starting to think the competition is good.

In THIS case (meaning this release), the BD seems to be superior (all things being equal after the reviews) because the HD-DVD is a shtty combo.

Ive grown to hate them as everyone else has. I HATE getting finger prints all over the top when I take it out of the case. I HATE paying up to $5 more for a release. Ill put that extra money towards another disc.

If the BD had not been lossless sound and/or was missing extras then I would have gone with the hd-dvd. Im not going to get the inferior version just to prove a point.

I'm going with Amazon or Xploited (if the stock it).

I'm guessing it will be around $36-$40 shipped.

Still a cheaper alternative to buying an entire new piece of Hardware.

Not everyone -- I like them a lot. I like being able to take them anywhere and being able to more easily show friends the differences. As for fingerprints, I don't handle discs with unwashed hands and I try not to touch the tops whether they have artwork or not.

I really think people are missing the boat on combo discs.

For this particular release, yes, I like the BD more. Why should I buy the shittier version? I'm no Samaritan, I'm not here to save HD DVD.

you guys are hilarious.

Shittier?

Give me a break.

Rock, a much better way of saying of what I wrote. I want to support the kinds of releases that I want to see studios coming out with. I don't support Combos, I don't support TotalHD, and I don't support feature-less releases.

So that means you're just going to stop buying WB/NL releases when TotalHD comes out?

I apologize...when I said "everyone", I meant those who have expressed their dislike for combos.

Yes, I agree with everything you said except im reserving judgement about TotalHD until later.

I dont like combos though and I dont like releases with no extras or fewer than the sd (which BOTH are guilty of doing....BD has just been worse).

Personally, due to all the factors....im taking it on a per release basis, but defaulting to HD-DVD.

Probably exact same video.
5.1 PCM Uncompressed
$4 cheaper
Not a combo
Artwork on Disc

The BD version is better than the HD DVD version and that's the one I'm buying.


Note: I have 20 HD DVDs to 4 BDs so I'm not biased against or for any format.

I think what he is saying is that Combos=Shit

The content is not necessarily considered "shit", but just the fact that it is a "Combo" automatically associates it with "shit" because of the inconveniences that come with a "Combo" (Price/Flipper/Fingerprints)

The same thing is going to happen with that "Total HD" shit.

Probably. The only way I see myself breaking rank is if other studios adopt the format and it becomes the standard.

The content is exactly the same except HD DVD is a combo and is $4-5 pricier. Therefore it is the shittier one.

Hopefully, there will be HD-DVD only and BD only alternatives in the form of Imports.

If WB/NL only releases stuff in TotalHD, I'd have to buy those. But in this case, we are given a choice between combo or not and I choose not to buy the pricier combo.

You still have a choice with Total HD.

..just don't buy it. :D

I look forward to a certain mod being all over this thread...considering the ass reaming I get for saying anything even remotely critical of either format. ;)

Paging Namja!!

Replace shittier with worse.

"Least Preferable HD Release" for "The Departed"

Never worked for me.

I'm all about equal treatment on this forum.

If I get warnings for every little criticism and harsh wording, I'm going to make sure I'm not the only one.

;)

CHEERS!

The HD DVD version is not as good as the BD version in some aspects.

Too late! :) :) :)

All of those reasons are cosmetic and financially related.

The content is essentially the same.

Exactly! Why should I buy the HD DVD then?

Unfortunately, however I respond to that will get me "warned" even though it's completely harmless. -rolleyes-

The bottom line is that I'm spending my money where I think it's DESERVED.

Its a double standard to say that the lower cost is not a reason to choose the BD version in this case.

This argument is used readily for hardware ($1000 bluray players versus less expensive $500 hd-dvd players). Movies should be no different.

Having to pay more for something that essentially is the same content is ridiculous.

There's no reason to buy the HD DVD if you're format neutral. Unless you like the combos and are willing to pay extra to have that option.

QFT

I guess you have to pick and choose your battles. Spend a little more now to show your support and have a better option in the end.

BD is probably preparing their press release right now.

Fuck!

Having two formats is ridiculous and three will be fucking insane...and I'm really starting to hate it right about now.

Yep.

I agree. This whole format war completely sucks.

That's an even bigger waste of money. I'm not going to spend an additional $10 per title either. I'll just continue to rent titles until WB/NL get their heads out of their asses.

See? everyone has their own threshold of what's appropriate. That's really what this format war is about. The general public is pretty much staying away. Then there are the people on one side or the other. Then there are people who are both but selective. And a very small minority that will buy anything.

It's all about personal choices...and that's not enough for people to really buy into this.

I can't wait until it's over.

Amen Digi.

Although, you'd be angry at me to hear that I'm leaning towards BD at this point.

same here, until Universal pulls out the big gun A-titles out of there ass.

I'm not angry at all. It's your money. I could care less what you do with it. ;)

I just still don't see any reason to support it.

I've already told myself I'm not going to pull the trigger on BD until there are at least 15 titles that I can see worth owning on it. That means that they all have exceptional quality and ALL extras from SD DVD. I think there are 2 at this point.

I was seriously going to pull the trigger for a while there...but I think it was because I was just bored. ;)

MOD NOTE: So I read through all 5 pages in this thread and ... I'm gonna leave things as is. I think you (digi) understand what Arpeggi meant in the original "shitty" post. I :grunt: when I read that, but as candyrocket786 already mentioned:
Not that we're embracing the notion that Combos=Shit or that TotalHD=Shit, but that it's somewhat less offensive than HD DVD=Shit or BD=Shit. By leaving this alone, does that make me pro-BD?


On the flip side, I left this post in the HD DVD discussion thread alone as well. Comments like that are something we frown upon, but given the context, I thought maybe we can let that slide. Am I now pro-HD DVD?


Or am I just a shitty TrueHD?


namja
Moderator, DVD Talk Forums

I was under the impression that calling anything "shit" was frowned upon.

I'm still trying to get a handle on the rules, I guess.

Perhaps we're all supposed to be shiny happy people holding hands.

For some reason, that song always goes through my head when Namja posts.

i think i finally understand why ;)

Sorry if that other comment ruffled feathers. I tried to restate the same point earlier in this discussion, as it's just been an observation I've made over these past months. A deciding factor for me, too, as it's that perceived attitude which highly influenced my decision to support HD-DVD.