Maxflier

I don't know about you, but they'll still be hotter than most poon i get to see up close in person.

Burnt Thru

AVN sell ad space to studios then give them favourable reviews. Their journalistic integrity is about as low as you can get. AEE is not put on by AVN, though it is true they sell seating to an awards show.

As to gonzo studios releasing content in HD, that's down the line. It's true that some (not most) of them use a variety of HD camcorders, though that doesn't mean they have an entire HD pathway (editing, authoring, etc). Digital Playground may release more titles as gonzo but the majority of their revenue is feature. And old titles are low volume sellers, so Vivid's old movies are of little to no importance.

darkside

I'm kind of looking forward to seeing all that razor burn and ingrown hairs. Can't be worse than Britney's box anyway.

Derrich

This is a bigger argument than just Porn though. Whats the line Blu-Ray will take regarding other 'adult' releases? Will 9 1/2 Weeks, Kids, or Original Sin be okayed? How about Brown Bunny, Short Bus, Caligula or Midnight Cowboy? Will NC17 movies be allowed? I'm not cool with Sony making those decisions.

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KFelon

Yiiiikes

Burnt Thru

Here's a Forbes article examining the AVN claim of $4 billion in sales

When they asked AVN's former editor to explain how they arived at $4 billion this was the response-

and here's another Forbes article examining the size of the business

Their estimate is between $500 million and $1.5 billion for Adult Video.

Deftones

And when is the date of that article? 2001. Before DVD and Internet were as prevalent as they are today. So, to take 5 year old data, and try to pass it off as what is going on today is pretty ridiculous. If you are basing your argument on that, you might want to rethink your side of the argument. Alot has changed in five years, and I'll bet the industry makes far more money today, even if those Forbes numbers were right 5 years ago.

Burnt Thru

You didn't even read the articles did you...

Deftones

Yes, I did.

But the fact you are relying on a five year old article to bolster your point, does not bode well. Quite a bit has changed in 5 years. I say again, even if Forbes was right 5 years ago, does not make that information valid in the present day. If you think it does, there's no point discussing this any further.

Burnt Thru

Excuse me? Just who here brought up AVN's guestimate of $4 billion dollars? Exactly. As to the change that has taken place since these articles were published, you can certainly believe sales of porn sales have increased, but by 700% is highly unlikely. Even a 50% growth would be extraordinary, with a concurent VHS collapse and the growth of internet piracy (P2P programs et al).

Deftones

Actually, if you went back, I never said anything about the $4 billion. Someone else brought that up. I was more concerned about how you think AVN was a joke. That was more of an aside.

I never said it was 700% growth. I never said it was 1% growth. But the fact remains, that Forbes article was an investigation and never proven true or false. I'd imagine the true numbers lie somewhere in between. And it's old. So, to quote something 5 years old is pretty weak to bolster your argument.

Burnt Thru

I've made no claim for the exact size of the porn DVD market. A figure was offered, and I countered with a far lower one from a more reputable company. Quoting a five year old article to counter a five year old guestimate seemed apposite, and still does.

BTW AVN were contacted about their figure and Ramone's answer was that it was from a pie chart! The managing editor then wouldn't return phone calls. Though that's all minor junk compared to their more obvious incompetance. Having an editor who didn't understand plagiarism probably didn't put them on the fast track to respectability.

BTW Ramone is no longer the editor. He was "released" late last year following stories that he gave AVN award nominations to porn girls in exchange for BJs. Anyone who wants to view Lord Damien, his amusing S&M alias, or the rag he used to edit as worthwhile journalistic sources should of course feel free to do so.

Deftones

But you are buying in the Forbes article. You are so adamant in using it to support your argument.

DthRdrX

Agreed.

I will pose a question to satisfy my own curiosity.

How many people are willing to support a format that is prohibiting you from watching certain content?

Terrell

No disrespect Burnt Thru, but you don't seem to know what you're talking about. I suspect you're a Blu-Ray fan, which is fine, and will come up with any excuse to downplay this news.

Assuming this news is true, it's a huge blow to Blu-Ray. It most certainly will have a large impact on any format war. The demand for porn is incredibly high regardless of what figures you subscribe to. There is no doubt that it is probably in the billions of dollars. If porn can only be had found HD-DVD, that will be very bad news for the Blu-Ray format. Whether it spells it's death, who can tell. This is purely a guess, but for every person that will admit to buying porn, there are many times that figure that won't admit to it.

As for AVN having no credibility, these two statements from your Forbes article cast doubt on even Forbes guesstimate.

So it seems Forbes doesn't have a clue either.

.....and none of that is even relevant to the discussion nor does it cast doubt on sales figures from the adult industry.

So nobody knows what the accurate numbers are. They can be 1 billion dollars or 5 billion dollars. The fact of the matter is it is a billion dollar business that will have a negative impact on Blu-Ray if it can only be had on HD-DVD. I could care less because I won't touch either hi-def format until a winner is declared. But to suggest that porn won't have an impact in this war is crazy.

tenaciousdave

To the people saying HD porn will look terrible (ass pimples, scars, etc), go to Digital Playground's site and download the WMV-HD trailer for Island Fever 4. It looks great.

It's NSFW for obviously.

flashburn

Sorry, but I can't disagree more. Jesse Jane has some of the worst implants I have ever seen, and I would NOT want to see those in HD. Teagan's boob job is pretty awful as well.

That isn't to say I don't want HD porn. I wouldn't mind seeing some porn with natural chicks in HD, but definitely not any of the dozens of porn chicks that are a plastic surgery nightmare.

Deftones

I think it will make porn directors become more creative with shots. Yeah, I almost laughed as I was typing that out.

Burnt Thru

Nonsense. It is simply a more credible source than AVN. I've made no claim that I believe Forbes's figures.

The news simply isn't all that important. One tiny independant publisher has decided to publish a few low volume titles on one of the formats while continuing to consider publishing on the other. As to porn appearing on Blu-ray that would seem to have either already happened or be about to (the Japanese release).

If you're going to accuse me of not knowing what I'm talking about it would make sense to include a little more than just speculation.

Deftones

First of all, Digital Playground isn't a tiny independent publisher. That movie Pirates was a multi-million dollar production. And methinks if you bothered to read the original article, you would've caught this part of it:

Burnt Thru

Where are you getting this stuff from?! Care to come up with some evidence that Pirates was a multi million dollar production?

Adam Tyner

Just about every website on the planet that's ever written an article about the movie has reported its budget as being "over a million dollars". Doing a quick Google search, $1.2 million is the most specific figure I could find.

That may not fit the definition of "multimillion" that you had in mind, but it's not an insignificant amount of money.

Burnt Thru

That is the figure I've heard. It is also by far their most expensive production, and one of relatively few they have undertaken in that bracket (most of their titles are cheap gonzo fodder). I stand by my assertion that they are a tiny independant publisher. Even a minor independant mainstream movie runs into many millions of dollars of production costs.

SterlingBen

I was waiting to see which next gen console I would buy and it would seem to be a 360 now

Deftones

I'm done wasting my time. You are obviously either a Sony fanboy, a BR fanboy, or both. When you decide to listen to common sense get back to me.